Making Ayahuasca Successfully

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Hi Guys,

I have multiple ingredients for ayahuasca. About 10 years ago or so, I made ayahuasca myself by ordering syrian rue and mimosa bark from a site I don't remember. I smashed both ingredients up. I boiled the mimosa bark after smashing it up and I don't remember my process for that. I put the syrian rue powder into capsules. I took the capsules 30 minutes beforehand, than drank the liquid from the boil. It worked.

However, about 2 months ago I wanted to try again after I went to do a ceremony and the place was very unhealthy and unsafe so I left. I ordered online caapi and mimosa hostilis powder. I put both in with some vinegar, and did 3 hours of boil 3x while straining out the liquid. I followed the instructions from the place I ordered from, according to this YouTube video:

I drank it and nothing. No nausea. No effects. The place I ordered from sent me some more for free, but I also ordered from another place.

I have:

Banisteriopsis caapi yellow 30:1 extract (10 grams)

(2x) Powdered Mimosa Hostilis bark from two different sources (200 gram bags)

Peganum harmala 10:1 powder extract (10 grams)

Banisteriopsis Caapi powder (300 grams)

What would be a sure way to prepare with the ingredients that I have to have an experience?

I was wanting to prepare it in advance, then on my day off, drink a small amount every 30-60 minutes until I reach a safe but effective does that doesn't overwhelm me, so please don't just post and tell me to go to a shaman, I am going to do it myself. Then I would have some extra to save for another session later.

Posting because when I search there are a million different ways to prepare. I just want an easy, foolproof way of having it work next time.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

The MAOI probably didn't kick in properly and couldn't activate the DMT.

Easiest way is to take the plants separately. Take a good dose of either caapi or peganum harmala, wait for 45-60 minutes, then take the mimosa.

You should feel some sensation from the harmalas alone. It's subtle with lower doses, but it is there. I recommend starting with a very low dose of DMT, especially if you get significant effects from the harmalas, since the nausea can be overwhelming and the experience may become too intense to make sense.

You can experiment with harmalas alone to get a sense of how strong your substances are and open up your headspace. Just make sure you're not taking any medication that is dangerous in combination with the MAOI.

Good luck!

 

[halfstepdown88]

The MAOI probably didn't kick in properly and couldn't activate the DMT.

Easiest way is to take the plants separately. Take a good dose of either caapi or peganum harmala, wait for 45-60 minutes, then take the mimosa.

You should feel some sensation from the harmalas alone. It's subtle with lower doses, but it is there. I recommend starting with a very low dose of DMT, especially if you get significant effects from the harmalas, since the nausea can be overwhelming and the experience may become too intense to make sense.

You can experiment with harmalas alone to get a sense of how strong your substances are and open up your headspace. Just make sure you're not taking any medication that is dangerous in combination with the MAOI.

Good luck!

How much of the Peganum harmala 10:1 powder extract should I take?

And I read your easy pharmahuasca guide. 5g of the powdered mimosa bark mixed with just water would actually work? I don’t have to boil it?

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Yes, the root bark works eaten raw. The point of boiling is to extract the alkaloids to water so you can discard the plant material that contains the tannins that can be hard for stomach. In my experience however the nausea comes solely from the DMT-MAOI combo and not from the tannins, so I usually just eat the bark, but stomachs may vary. But please, start with a smaller dose than 5 g! I In the instructions I recommend 2-4 g, but definitely go for the lower end before you get to know the substance. Prepare for the nausea anyway. Though, if the purga comes, it will give relief.

I really can't say about the extract. If the 10:1 ratio is supposed to mean that 1 g of extract corresponds to 10 grams of raw seeds in active alkaloids, then the amount you should take is probably something between 0,3-0,5 g. However, the given ratio may not be reliable.

You should notice an effect in your visual field and a slight change in headspace if you take a heavy dose of harmalas. You can test if the extract is active by increasing the dose, if you don't get any effects at first. However, if you are very high on harmalas, even a pinch of DMT can cause an instant purge. You can take that a a sign that the combo is working, or skip the DMT first and take a little smaller dose of harmalas later when you actually want to go for the ayahuasca (pharmahuasca) experience.

 

[halfstepdown88]

Yes, the root bark works eaten raw. The point of boiling is to extract the alkaloids to water so you can discard the plant material that contains the tannins that can be hard for stomach. In my experience however the nausea comes solely from the DMT-MAOI combo and not from the tannins, so I usually just eat the bark, but stomachs may vary. But please, start with a smaller dose than 5 g! I In the instructions I recommend 2-4 g, but definitely go for the lower end before you get to know the substance. Prepare for the nausea anyway. Though, if the purga comes, it will give relief.

I just took 0.5 grams of the 10:1 harmala extract, waited 45 minutes, then took 2.5 grams of mimosa powder.

Didn't feel any effects and I didn't have any nausea either.

Weird stuff.

 

[L-dreamer]

make a 5 g tea of bark (keep it simple, just water) and mix it with a tea made from the harmala extract. Take them at the same time in one go. Forget delays between maoi and DMT, or taking small sips in a long time. Also stop with the 3 hours 3 boils of the mimosa bark, two 45 minute boils are enough, after that reduce the two liquids together. Cleaning the mimosa tea with egg whites is a must IMO
You will get a psychedelic experience no matter what if there is a semblance of DMT in your bark. Just know that the final concoction will be the worst thing you ever tasted in your life.
If you really want to be sure that you have a decent bark try Cyb's tek on 50g of mimosa.

 

[halfstepdown88]

make a 5 g tea of bark (keep it simple, just water) and mix it with a tea made from the harmala extract. Take them at the same time in one go. Forget delays between maoi and DMT, or taking small sips in a long time. Also stop with the 3 hours 3 boils of the mimosa bark, two 45 minute boils are enough, after that reduce the two liquids together. Cleaning the mimosa tea with egg whites is a must IMO
You will get a psychedelic experience no matter what if there is a semblance of DMT in your bark. Just know that the final concoction will be the worst thing you ever tasted in your life.
If you really want to be sure that you have a decent bark try Cyb's tek on 50g of mimosa.

When you say tea, you are talking about the boiling method? I have Caapi powder and Caapi paste too.

So boil 5g of mimosa hostilis bark for 45 minutes 2x while straining out the water each time, then boil the caapi or the harmala extract as well (dosages?), and drink it all at the same time?

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Yes, the root bark works eaten raw. The point of boiling is to extract the alkaloids to water so you can discard the plant material that contains the tannins that can be hard for stomach. In my experience however the nausea comes solely from the DMT-MAOI combo and not from the tannins, so I usually just eat the bark, but stomachs may vary. But please, start with a smaller dose than 5 g! I In the instructions I recommend 2-4 g, but definitely go for the lower end before you get to know the substance. Prepare for the nausea anyway. Though, if the purga comes, it will give relief.

I just took 0.5 grams of the 10:1 harmala extract, waited 45 minutes, then took 2.5 grams of mimosa powder.

Didn't feel any effects and I didn't have any nausea either.

Weird stuff.

The extract is either very weak or not the real stuff. I recommend ordering peganum harmala seeds and making a tea from them. They're legal in most places.

 

[halfstepdown88]

The extract is either very weak or not the real stuff. I recommend ordering peganum harmala seeds and making a tea from them. They're legal in most places.

OK, probably can't be the Mimosa? And it's weird I didn't feel any nausea at all, I always thought the nausea came from the plant material, but it must be the way the MAOI and the DMT interact.

I also have Caapi powder and paste, should I try boiling that for 45 minutes, drinking it, then taking the mimosa raw?

 

[Tomtegubbe]

The extract is either very weak or not the real stuff. I recommend ordering peganum harmala seeds and making a tea from them. They're legal in most places.

OK, probably can't be the Mimosa? And it's weird I didn't feel any nausea at all, I always thought the nausea came from the plant material, but it must be the way the MAOI and the DMT interact.

I also have Caapi powder and paste, should I try boiling that for 45 minutes, drinking it, then taking the mimosa raw?

I suspect problem is the harmala extract. Mimosa can differ in strength, but there definitely is some DMT in the plant material unless you have got a wrong plant which would be very odd. The purple color of mimosa is very distinct.

Harmalas are pretty safe to redose, so you could try making a tea out of the caapi powder / paste and take enough until you feel something and then take a little amount of mimosa on top of it. I went way overboard with dosing in my first pharmahuasca/ayahuasca attempt, but I don't recommend it.

You can boil the mimosa too, so that the DMT comes on top of the liquid. You should see the alkaloids floating on the surface, there is a distinct smell of DMT and it reflects light in a manner a bit similar to oil on top of water. The DMT will kick in faster if prepared this way, so you don't need to wait for the effects more than 15 minutes if under heavy influence of harmalas. Sometimes they kick in very fast, like in 5 minutes, especially if your stomach is empty.

I'll happy to hear back from the results!

 

[L-dreamer]

And it's weird I didn't feel any nausea at all, I always thought the nausea came from the plant material, but it must be the way the MAOI and the DMT interact.

yes indeed it is weird, harmaline should cause significant nausea, either from caapi or peganum harmala. DMT also can cause significant nausea. Test the harmala extract or caapi first, it has to be nauseating anf afterwards making you dizzy and making you see tracers if you hold it long enough. No one takes harmalas and just says he was fine

"When you say tea, you are talking about the boiling method? I have Caapi powder and Caapi paste too."
yes boiling the plant material, in this case I was talking about mimosa bark. You can also boil 2.5-3 g of plain peganum harmala to get a sure way for MAOI inhibition.
I have not used caapi powder, but used a caapi 30:1 paste, 10 g of that sticky substance does the job, I mixed it with very low volumes of warm water to down it like a shot.

 

[halfstepdown88]

Very interesting result today.

I got syrian rue seeds, and I put them on the stovetop just a bit to roast them. Then I put them in a boiling pot of water for about 15 minutes, put it in a french press, then chewed up the seeds and drank the water.

I waited about 45 minutes, then drank some raw mimosa hostilis powder.

Nothing.

I thought it was ineffective, so took a spoonful more of the powder.

Then all a sudden, I noticed something different, I went into the bathroom and I could tell something was about to happen, I got scared and nervous and asked "what did I just do" then laid down to calm myself.

Vision was altering, I just surrendered to whatever was happening. I saw how I was unhappy in my life in some major areas, how connection is important, that I should reach out to my mother more, etc.

Then after about 20 minutes, effects diminished. Feeling relatively normal. What?

Also, I experienced ZERO nausea whatsoever doing this.

I just took another spoonful to hopefully get more of an experience.

But why do you think it lasted so short? At first I was buckling myself in for a ride and then the next second it was gone.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Nice that you are progressing! Maybe still too small a dose of MAOI?

You could make a new brew from the harmala seeds without roasting them at all. I usually do 3 x 15 minutes boil, meaning I drain the seeds three times, or then just eat the grounded seeds raw.

You can add the mimosa and rue seeds powder together if you feel like you want to go deeper, once you are already under the influence of the MAOI. Just beware that this extends the trip, which may become exhausting.

I get inconsistent results when using roasted seeds. Roasting changes the alkaloid profile of the seeds somewhat and can result in significantly shorter trip. If I want to be sure to get on the trip, I just skip the roasting and try my best to endure the taste.

Today I just drank a liquid of black roasted harmala I had made a couple of weeks prior. The session lasted only about an hour and didn't go very deep. Also very little nausea.

When drinking the brew I remembered the scene from the last Harry Potter book where Dumbledore forces himself to drink from the horrible pool and asks Harry to come with him just in order to make sure he drinks it all.

 

[halfstepdown88]

That's weird, I thought Ayahuasca would last about 6 hours, mine lasted 20 minutes haha.

You think it is too little of MAOI?

 

[Tomtegubbe]

That's weird, I thought Ayahuasca would last about 6 hours, mine lasted 20 minutes haha.

You think it is too little of MAOI?

The options are that your harmala dose was altogether still too low, the roasting had an unfavorable chemical reaction on the seeds or your timing with the DMT was off.

The sweet spot for the amount of harmalas required may vary from person to person.

I remember I wanted to test my upper limit with harmalas and I took somewhere around 7-8 g of seeds. You could definitely feel the effects then even without the DMT. However with that much MAOI on my system I couldn't hold any DMT without immediately throwing up. You may have to test your limits a bit and then just come out stronger

 

[halfstepdown88]

I had ZERO nausea which was interesting as well. I was expecting to throw up and all that.

 

[L-dreamer]

I still believe just eating raw bark is inefficient, that is one part I would change

 

[halfstepdown88]

I still believe just eating raw bark is inefficient, that is one part I would change

Next time I was thinking of brewing the Syrian Rue seeds for 15 min 3x, then putting a bit of caapi paste in and drink it. Wait 45 minutes. Then drink the Mimosa.

For the Mimosa, prepare ahead of time in the morning by brewing it for 45min 2x, make enough for two full doses, and drink just a half a dose and wait 30 minutes to see if I want to drink further.

 

[halfstepdown88]

This last time I did it, lasted about 8 hours, but I took too much MAOI wanting it to work, so the MAOI made it not as clear as I feel the DMT can be. But I was very depressed during the core of it, very confused, the visuals were interesting but fleeting, I got some visions and some messages from Ayahuasca such as a slot machine that I pulled asking how to get over Lyme, when it ended she said, "You still have Lyme because you are doing it to yourself. You still need to change to fully heal." then kissed me on the forehead.

After a while, I wanted it to be over, just was foggy and confused, very depressed, the Syrian Rue was giving me a drunk feeling I didn't like because I couldn't think clearly during the DMT experience.. I felt like I wasn't sure about this new business change, I want to actually enjoy life and finally heal...

Open eye visuals were interesting, the ceiling was morphing and had colorful geometric patterns shifting, at one point my arm and hand looked foreign, as if I was dead, then I asked myself if I died right now, where do I actually go? Would I be ready to die right now if it came to it?

The depression and confusion went on and on, I had to process all my fears with all the different directions my life would go if I made certain decisions in the business, etc. All the anxieties and issues were forefront and being fully experienced.

Then when talking to my friend when the peak was ending, I said that maybe I have been fighting, fighting, fighting, and it is time to finally surrender to the Lyme... then after I said that, I just started crying and I felt intense pain for about 30 minutes, my body would shake at times, I felt all the pain of having Lyme and having a limited disabled life, how I had to accept it to truly heal, that I needed to connect to my family, that I was sorry to my mother about not connecting with her, etc etc. the pain was intense, it was throughout my whole body, and lasted a long time until it was over.

I messaged my father and mother with gratitude, and I plan on connecting with my family more, especially my mother,

As it was wearing off, I was feeling really off, almost schizophrenic, could still see this exploding outward of spheres when I close my eyes, had some fear I messed myself up since my brain function was heavily impaired, almost thought I would have to check myself into a psychiatric hospital… But finally it wore off and I felt normal again.

Afterwards, I feel the need to live a more of a spiritual life, surrender more, meditate more, etc

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Thank you for sharing. Many, many of my ayahuasca sessions have been like that, having to go through difficult feelings, both in body and in spirit. Still they have been meaningful, calling me again and again. Feeling like there is work to be done and always feeling like I've progressed a little and have to come back to progress a bit more.

The connection has been the biggest takeaway. Being in touch with myself, my loved ones, and with the universe at large. And with connection comes the acceptance.

Meditation has been of a huge help in navigating those realms and bringing change to everyday sober life.

I wish this is a beginning of a journey of healing for you. Bless