Making DMT last longer when smoked

[1ce]

DMT can very easily destroy you, everything you think you know and all you believe. It can very easily mess you up, if this hasnt happened to you then you are lucky, it has happened to me and no amount of friend intervention helped me to integrate it, it was easily the hardest time of my life.

Its not all sunshine and smiles, theres some serious buisness in there and your recommendation is ridiculous.

if you dont think that were being reasonable in our reaction to your recommendation then thats fine, but there is a line to tow when using the forum and recommending doses of that size is not towing the line.

We try to keep people as safe as possible and if you find that for some reason you can effectively vape 100mg then good for you, but recommending it to others isnt on.

It's the sudden onset that's scary, not the lifetime in wonderland.

when it all goes bad the quick onset is the most pleasant part

out of interest what is your chosen vaping device

Yeah I removed that bit yesterday. I thought the higher doses where more common among travelers. Also I'd never try 100mg. I rarely do 75. I believe my most destructive pride obliterating *-slap happened with about 35mg.

That was a lesson I'll never forget.

I guess the point I was trying to make to OP was that on a deep enough journey you don't need to make DMT last longer, -it already lasts a lifetime.

About my vaping device:







Also I'd like to point out: I'll put a other screen hovering over the spice not in direct contact) with a layer of ash above this. I havent burned spice in ages.

 

[ESD854]

Sorry, didnt mean to be so short with my response. The heat generated from atomizers is only strong enough to vaporize material within very close proximity of the coil its self. As in direct contact.

Continuing to ingest dmt through vaporization only allows you to go so far. You cant extend a breakthrough by hitting the gvg again because while you are broken through you dont have the ability to use the pipe in the first place.

Thank you for the clarification. Part of the reason I was thinking of a globe style vaporizer was due to the hose they use. The end of the hose could be attached to a mask over the nose and mouth.

Since discs won't work, I will have to explore some other options I have thought of.

(P.S.-- Just so folks don't worry. I am not planing on actually building the thing yet. If/when I get the chance to try DMT I am planing on using a more traditional method and lower dosage. For all I know I might not even like the stuff!)

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Yeah I removed that bit yesterday. I thought the higher doses where more common among travelers. Also I'd never try 100mg. I rarely do 75.

To beat a dead horse, with proper technique you shouldn't ever need 75mg...50mg should be overkill.

 

[Cognitive Heart]

I feel exploring these realms can be easily managed with some common sense. Beginning with threshold dosages to firmly settle yourself into the experience and to which degree (dose) works greatest for you, could really aid in adapting to these kinds of unfolding experiences.

I'm actually glad DMT has such a profoundly short duration.. it allows a fresh perspective and opportunity for growth while only being 5-10-20 min worth of your entire day.. this is astounding in itself. Also, considering all effects that have been observed over the years of its discovery, it can be incredibly helpful towards learning how to manage each experience, IMO. So really, I'm not sure why anyone would want to lengthen the trip, unless you are wanting a very, very deep voyage.. and I don't see anything inherently wrong with that, either.

If it works for you, than that's what truly matters.

 

[frobot]

I'm aware of changa and similar things. I also agree you shouldn't ever need more than 50mg.
This thread is supposed to be about using other psychedelics to potentiate and lengthen DMT.
Still wondering if this happens with anyone else.

Another thing to add is that I think psilocybin extends the length and causes the slowest onset because of its similarity to DMT.
LSA, LSD, and 2c-X chemicals do so as well, just to a lesser extent (in that order)

 

[anrchy]

Another thing to add is that I think psilocybin extends the length and causes the slowest onset because of its similarity to DMT.
LSA, LSD, and 2c-X chemicals do so as well, just to a lesser extent (in that order)

I dont really see the point in using a psychedelic with the purpose of lengthening another when MAOI works better and is very easy to obtain.

I have had DMT experiences come on very slowly (over the period of 2 minutes) with straight freebase (no maoi or any other drugs). I have not mixed DMT with mushrooms so i cannot chime in as to whether or not it effected the length but I feel like ones judgement is slightly compromised on whether or not you know which drug is doing what with certain effects.Be it slight or otherwise.

 

[1ce]

Yeah I removed that bit yesterday. I thought the higher doses where more common among travelers. Also I'd never try 100mg. I rarely do 75.

To beat a dead horse, with proper technique you shouldn't ever need 75mg...50mg should be overkill.

I have a GVG. My vaping method is flawless. I like to start off at thresh-hold doses and work forward. I know 75mg is jumping off a cliff. There are people that enjoy doing that though.

I've only ever gone that deep a small handful of times. I don't believe a very high dose and a standard dose are very similar at all. If you can agree to that statement then maybe you'll understand that because there is a difference, I choose to travel a little deeper.

 

[frobot]

I dont really see the point in using a psychedelic with the purpose of lengthening another when MAOI works better and is very easy to obtain.

Because oral DMT + MAOI can't compare to psilocybin + smoked DMT

 

[universecannon]

Psilocybin and lsd do far more than merely extend the experience (which is something they do to, without a doubt imo). The problem is just explaining it

Being already on that psychedelic mental-platform and in tune with that space before smoking changa has obvious benefits. It's kind of like blasting to the moon while you're already in a slingshot orbit around the earth, compared to trying to do a rumbly take off from the ground and escape the gravity of ordinary consciousness. But this barely hints at the difference since it doesn't just make it easier or longer, it expands the entire breadth and depth of the experience in ways that are difficult to explain. It feels more at home and in tune.

But if you really want the experience drawn out more, try some form of oral dmt/harmalas. You can always take a few more hits during that if need be as well.

And to echo others, it really does pays to play it safe and be thoroughly centered in how you approach these things, of course.

 

[luthiertw]

I am on a mild upper respiratory tract infection for a few days. It's not life-threatening strong but enough to gave me some weirder dreams. Yesterday morning I vaped my relatively-diluted DMT e-cig after I woke up. It already felt much more stronger than before during my second draw. On the third draw I knew this is gonna be enough. Perhaps being sick is indeed closer to death. I felt well-being and cherished during coming down. So... that's infection + DMT.

 

[frobot]

It's kind of like blasting to the moon while you're already in a slingshot orbit around the earth, compared to trying to do a rumbly take off from the ground and escape the gravity of ordinary consciousness.

I think that sums it up quite well

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Yeah I removed that bit yesterday. I thought the higher doses where more common among travelers. Also I'd never try 100mg. I rarely do 75.

To beat a dead horse, with proper technique you shouldn't ever need 75mg...50mg should be overkill.

I have a GVG. My vaping method is flawless. I like to start off at thresh-hold doses and work forward. I know 75mg is jumping off a cliff. There are people that enjoy doing that though.

I've only ever gone that deep a small handful of times. I don't believe a very high dose and a standard dose are very similar at all. If you can agree to that statement then maybe you'll understand that because there is a difference, I choose to travel a little deeper.

No.

I don't think you get it.

This isn't about "you choose to go deeper" this isn't about the difference between a standard dose and a high dose.

This is about the fact that numerous experienced people (who have been as deep if not deeper than anyone) will all tell you that 75mg is entirely unnecessary in the GVG.

I get that you think that your vaping technique is flawless, but to those who have been doing this for years, the dosage alone indicates that it's probably not.

If properly administered in the GVG, 75mg would likely cause a blackout.

There's literally no need to take the dosage up that high...most people find 50mg properly vaped in the GVG to be overkill (blackout, too much, etc.).

Could you be the lone outlier? Sure, but I highly doubt it given the degree to which it would be anomalous.

 

[Psybin]

Alright, I'm pretty new here but I've been smoking spice for quite a while and I think that 1ce is not being ridiculous. I used a GVG up until this August when it got broken by my housemate and I would most often blast off on 50 - 70mg. Everyone else I knew needed less, and I found over time that I simply have a much higher baseline tolerance for psychedelics than most. That being said, I have met several other people with the same problem over the years, so I tend not to discount those reporting higher doses as unanimously as I once did. Some people honestly do need twice as much to get off. It takes me 400ug of LSD to reach the same effects that most report at 200ug.

EDIT: Just clarifying, I do not assume this to be the case with most people, for whom 70+mg would certainly be greatly excessive. However, not everyone reporting such high dosages should be dismissed.

 

[endlessness]

Just to clarify:

We are not denying the possibility that some people may need higher doses, this is a known phenomenon with basically all substances. That being said, we have also seen particularly with DMT that a great majority of the times people are using doses of 50+mg, their method of vaporization is faulty.

Personally I am one of those people with very high natural tolerance for most substances. And yet with properly vaporized DMT, 30mg is more than enough.

You say you use the GVG and need 50-70mg. In how many hits do you clear that? How long do you hold the vapor in your lungs each hit? Are you using screens or ceramic pad or stainless steel pad or..? Are you using a torch lighter or normal lighter?

And just to get back on topic, some of the ideas have been mentioned already in how to make DMT last longer.

IMO oral DMT use with harmalas lends itself better for a longer lasting meaningful trip that is easier to integrate. Alternatively, you can consume harmalas orally and then vap DMT on top, or even consume light dose pharma/aya and then vap some DMT on top. Or take mushrooms and smoke DMT on top, they also potentiate each other very well IME, amazingly beautiful and deep trips.

Hope you find what you are looking for !

 

[Psybin]

My bad, it seems in retrospect that my comment probably did not serve much purpose (also to clarify on of your points, at the time I was using one of the ceramic discs with a torch and would clear the GVG of all the dmt in as many hits as needed, which usually ended up being 5 to 10 depending on whether i was blasting off or riding the wave).

On a more productive note, I find that by smoking the DMT more slowly (albeit quickly enough to avoid tolerance) will increase duration. For example, 40mg smoked over 5 minutes in very large hits held for 10 seconds to be nearly twice the duration of say 40mg smoked in 3 hits. Mileage may vary, of course, but that's my personal exp.

EDIT: Just realized OP was specifically asking about different psychedlics lengthening duration. Not sure what to add in that case

 

[endlessness]

Probably thats why you aren't going so far with such big doses. If you want to blast off far and breakthrough, try instead to vaporize 20-30mg in one hit, or two max, and be sure to hold in the vapor as long as possible in the lungs. You can also for example exhale just a bit of the vapor out when you cannot hold in any longer, and breathe in some fresh air again so you can hold whats still in your lungs for even longer..

I'd bet if you get your technique down with single hits you'll never suggest others need 50mg+ again.

Either way, good luck

 

[ultraviolence]

I like to smoke DMT just after the peak of an LSD or mushroom trip because I feel the chemicals boost each other, it may not necessarily be that the DMT lasts longer, but the addition of DMT definitely extends the peak of other psychedelics with some added beauty in my opinion

 

[1ce]

I've really been giving the dmt/mushrooms thing a good think. I think I'd like to experience this.

 

[DreaMTripper]

It has exceptional mind opening synergy, truly cosmic.

 

[1ce]

I've always liked the higher doses of DMT due to the extreme open eyed synaesthia. Like your enter fabric of being is atomized and pulsating with divine energy. Would you say shrooms/spice help facilitate this at lower spice dosages? I'm done arguing with people about how I dose. If they dislike it they can get bent.

A prolonged synaethic experience without such a violent onset would be supreme! And my spice would go alot further