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manske that looks like base

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mrwiggle

mrwiggle

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its just like the title sounds...been working on a little rue seed extraction and succesfully completed all the steps, but was doing them over for purity sake, i disolved freebase alks (they were still in a basic solution/not dried) anywhoo they were disolved on hot vineagar and then MANSKE...but instead of nice fiberglass look i get this separated solution with pale stuff at the bottom that look like base form...i would take pictures but i suspect that i could get a decent reply before i succeed in finding the camera...if not i will post pic as soon as i find the camera. so any ideas>? whats wrong with it/ how should i fix?
 
How much salt you added per liter of solution?

Adding too much salt, cooling too fast, or the first precipitation (as opposed to after you have it a bit clean from a couple of reprecipitations) will tend to yield a powder as opposed to needles when precipitating.

Are you following any specific tek or using controlled amounts ?
 
i would love to show picks and i finally located the camera but i already redissolved the beta carbolines in vineagar and rebased with lye...i tryed to do the 10% salt thing, and it worked well the first time but then ironicly after i cleaned it up and re salted thats when it came out all wonky, im doing it all with warm/hot solution and letting it do its thing on top of a dehydrator so i doubt its cooling too fast...also once it turned out weird i tried adjusting the salt first i added 30 grams of salt to see if it was too low , no change so i diluted it with 100 ml of hot water at a time then wait, in the end i had added over 500 ml of "dilution water" did not seem to make any significant change...im thinking reduce the base then disolve in hot vineagar again and try with a more precise amount of salt(also potentially pre disolving the salt to ensure better integration)? also while were in the subject what ph is best for basing?, ive been putting it just a little over 12.5 on average, havent been using measured amounts of base at all..
 
In my experience, very slow cooling causes the crystals to form the nice fiberglass crystals.

Like almost boiling temp to room temp in a gallon jar, takes about 6 hours. Then I put it in the fridge for further cooling. That's when the crystals really start to pop.

Also, if the crystals still aren't forming, try filtering some more. Even the smallest amount of sticky, resinous goo left in the mix will inhibit crystal formation and cause mud-like formations.
 
well i dissolved it in (hot)vinegar and filtered more then based and filtered out the liquid disolved in(hot) vinegar and re-mansked, but i only cooled to room temp then strained, and based the leftover liquid with sodium carbonate and strained. ive got a jar of orange fiberglass and one of tan powdery stuff ;)
 
so, continuing follow up incase anyone cares to know. the final weigh in is 14 grams hcl and 41 grams basic...the ratios seem a bit off, do you think that skipping the refrigerated salt crash could account for (roughly)80% of the content?..additionally the base seems like a bit more than it should be, do you think i could have some sodium carbonate contamination it?...also the final base crash was taken to a ph of roughly 10...
 
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