Max Ion Tek 500 mg of bark

[Psychoactive Haven]

Does anyone happen to know the measurements of water, vinegar, lye, naphtha, etc. one would use if attempting Max ion's Tek with 500g of ACRB? SWIM does not have a PH meter
Thank you all!

 

[DreaMTripper]

500mg would be the smallest extraction on record
To start with I would think you would need to use at least 1.5l of water, you could use a couple of table spoons of citric acid or 100ml 5% vinegar.
Why not buy litmus paper its dirt cheap and will last you ages.

 

[slugware]

op probably meant 500 g?

DreaMTripper, i also use litmus paper and it does the work.

Best of luck with your extration, Psychoactive Haven!

 

[Psychoactive Haven]

Oh dear! Yes 500 g was definitely what was meant! So if SWIM got these papers he wouldn't need to worry so much about amounts, just PH?

 

[uwo]

Hello SWIM, i believe its 2.3 Liters water, 500g MHRB powder, Vinigar (ph 2.4) arround 700ml makes a ph of 3.3........ then dissolve arround 350gr salt in 1.2 liter hot water and add to solution ......dissolve 600gr lye in 2.3l cold water and top it till you get 8l off solution (in my case is was arround one liter o water and add to solution makes ph arround 12.8.....then put it in 8 to 10 bottles and pull with 40/50ml nafta each bottle.....

I tried this setup and hoped i had enough spice to last me a long time but i encountered a little problem...... Pull 1&2 where in one dish and white/half yellow crystals in a layer off yellow oil.....Pull 3&4 where in another dish and the crystals (not many) where swimming in brown oil that won't dry at all.......pull 5&6 ended in a clean dish without any result

Maybe Cyb or someone can help me why i got the yellow/brown oil and how i can get rid of it? or is the yellow/brown oil ok? Will it help if i r-x or will the oil also dissolve in the nafta and get in the crystals again? Best regards uwo

 

[cyb]

Maybe Cyb or someone can help me why i got the yellow/brown oil and how i can get rid of it? or is the yellow/brown oil ok?

I doubt that what you have is MHRB.
Brown oil and no crystals is not what you expect.

(Also 8 litres of solution for 500g is ridiculous...sorry.)

If you understand how extractions work, it is very easy to work out the ingredient amounts.
It is NOT scaled up exponentially.

@OP
If you don't know how to scale your extraction...start with 50g and perfect it.
By the time you have mastered small scale extractions...you will know what you are doing and why.

 

[uwo]

Hello and thanx Cyb, i started with the salt tek with 50gr mhrb in a single bottle a few times and it worked like a charm (not very high yields but clean crystals).....thats why i dont understand what i did wrong this time.... the mhrb is the same so i made a mistake somewhere.

(i meant 8 liters total solution not salt solution..... but i believe its also wrong?) (only thing i did right i hope where the ph values....)

Because i can't use the kitchen very often, i tried to make it work with my last 500g mhrb with the salt tek (i thought i will do the salt tek including the 3 times freeze and taw to increase the yield a little) ....but with a disappointing result as ascribed above ..... Is it possible to rescue my result or is it better to throw away? Where did i go wrong? to much water? salt? both? The vinigar and caustic soda i messured till the ph is between 2-4 and 12+ so i hope i did that right? Best regards

 

[cyb]

Is it possible to rescue my result or is it better to throw away?

Do not throw it away...that would be a crime.

You used too much of everything and then split it up...therefore diluting the bark in overbased, over salted and too much water.
Your pH is good though.

As far as I can see...you need to put it all into One container (bucket maybe?)...don't add anything.
Then pull using a reasonable amount of solvent (given the huge amount of aqueous that you have)...say 150ml - 200ml per pull.
Make sure that you fully stir the solvent through the mix many times....the Carefully pull (no lye contam), reduce (air evap) to saturate and freeze.

Don't worry about heating anything...just concentrate on salvaging whatever you can out of the solution. :thumb_up:

Then...don't do it again...stick to 50g's at a time. Why anyone would need 10g of spice is beyond me

 

[uwo]

Thanx Cyb, your a life saver :d i will give it a try.... the one bottle technique worked fine so i will stick to that in the future.... the only reason why i tried this fiasco is because its difficult to work openly in the kitchen here so i thought all in once.... the result now is not 10grams but 6 and that is including the oil... i will let you know the end result.. so i wont be doing that anymore

In your one bottle salt tek you end up with approx 700ml..... i have a different model of bottle and i want to end up with approx 1 liter so it will be easy to suck the nafta off...witch step can i increase to end up to one liter? And was my idea right to add the freeze and taw 3 times to increase the yield or was i mistaken again?

thank you,thank you thankyou

 

[cyb]

i have a different model of bottle and i want to end up with approx 1 liter so it will be easy to suck the nafta off...witch step can i increase to end up to one liter? And was my idea right to add the freeze and taw 3 times to increase the yield or was i mistaken again?

You can just add water to top up...as much as you need...it wont affect the pH levels UNLESS large amounts (litres) of water are added (dilution).

Freeze/Thaw at the start serves to break the cells in the bark and release alkaloids into the acidic solution.
It should help to increase alkaloid amounts rather than not doing it.
So you were correct to try it...(it's optional of course).

 

[uwo]

Thanx cyb for your help, I will now go and try to rescue this debacle :d.... i learnt my lesson and will stick to the one bottle technique .... What i don't understand yet is why the manske salt technique went well when i exponentially crunch the numbers (this was with syrian rue seeds) and it wont work when i did this with the one bottle salt technique? But first things first i will be rescuing now

 

[uwo]

Hi Cyb, the result off the rescue plan is 3,3 gr after a few times re-xng....... but now they are clean..... so me and my girlfriend will have enough for a wile... I want to re-use the nafta but its gotten really yellow (you mentioned to wash it with water) Just put it in a bottle with warm or cold water????? and shake and separate?

The result is a little disappointing but i'm glad that i could rescue some of it...i did not scale up the right way.....but want to try this again in the future....could you gve me a clew how to scale t up the right way?

Best Regards uwo