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mesc soluble in?

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panoramix

panoramix

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i whas reding some sizzle on the net and fount that mesc is soluble more polor solvents than nonpolar so alcehole wold work great.
Mescaline has a melting point of 320 C at STP, is a white crystalline substance, taking the form of long, needle shaped structures. Will form a carbonate after absorbing CO2 from the air. The molecular weight of mescaline is 211.25, it is composed of C 62.54%, H 8.11%, N 6.63%, O 22.72%, chemically C11H17NO3. Mescaline is moderately soluble in water; soluble in alcohol, chloroform or benzene. Practically insoluble in ether or petroleum ether.
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so wold it be posble to make a resin with like IPA99% not like on a stove becouse IPA99% is very flameble. this wold give less fats and more alks in les time. and you wil need less then resin so if caping is the thing you could cap them.

(so wold this work)

greeder pano
 
hola

if swim wold acidfy it and with vinagar/hcl to get mesc acidade/hcl(like a fasa with mumaric dmt)(but then with vinigar/hcl) to crash out the mesc xtals out of the ipa99%, wold be beter then freebase.

it would but iv never had potent alcahol extracts of cactus - they always lack something
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dont you have bad cacti than,.

greeder pano
 
hrmm

i dont have bad cacti i grow my own - my most enjoyable ones sit at about 3.5%

- experiment dude - id dig to see how this all goes.
 
Don't use IPA, or ethanol. The mescaline salt in the cactus is not very soluble in either. It's much better to use water, unless you freebase the mescaline first. If the mescaline is freebased, then alcohol works fine. It's a salt in the cacti, and not freebase.
 
breanstorm


make a resin with water
base with sodium carb
pull with ethanol
crash out xtals with ethanol/hcl salution

wold this work
 
69ron said:
Mescaline HCl is insoluble in 99% IPA. I'm not sure about ethanol though.
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Mescaline has a melting point of 320 C at STP, is a white crystalline substance, taking the form of long, needle shaped structures. Will form a carbonate after absorbing CO2 from the air. The molecular weight of mescaline is 211.25, it is composed of C 62.54%, H 8.11%, N 6.63%, O 22.72%, chemically C11H17NO3. Mescaline is moderately soluble in water; soluble in alcohol, chloroform or benzene. Practically insoluble in ether or petroleum ether.
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mesc and hcl is solible in ethanol so i wold tink + en + is - so it wold be in solble. or is this wrong logic :p
 
panoramix said:
i whas reding some sizzle on the net and fount that mesc is soluble more polor solvents than nonpolar so alcehole wold work great.
Mescaline has a melting point of 320 C at STP, is a white crystalline substance, taking the form of long, needle shaped structures. Will form a carbonate after absorbing CO2 from the air. The molecular weight of mescaline is 211.25, it is composed of C 62.54%, H 8.11%, N 6.63%, O 22.72%, chemically C11H17NO3. Mescaline is moderately soluble in water; soluble in alcohol, chloroform or benzene. Practically insoluble in ether or petroleum ether.
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so wold it be posble to make a resin with like IPA99% not like on a stove becouse IPA99% is very flameble. this wold give less fats and more alks in les time. and you wil need less then resin so if caping is the thing you could cap them.

(so wold this work)

greeder pano
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Panoramix,

The quote is a bit incorrect - it refers to freebase mescaline and the melting point is 32 C, not 320. As a freebase it is soluble in the above mentioned solvents, yes.

The use of IPA is intended for extracting cactus or freebased mescaline from cactus? In any way, IPA will pull more fats and does not dissolve the mescaline salts in the cactus amazingly, so if you use IPA to make resin you'll have more fats and oils and less mescaline.
 
breanstorm


make a resin with water
base with sodium carb
pull with ethanol
crash out xtals with ethanol/hcl salution

wold this work
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In any way, IPA will pull more fats and does not dissolve the mescaline salts in the cactus amazingly
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wold this wor bether then becouse its freebased an not in a sold so i cold pull with ethanole and then acidfy it agean to mesc HCl, and it wil crash out of the ethanool becouse it is in salt for after acid is edit. so insten xtals i wold sey
 
this thread is getting action and i cant not take advantage of that - i have to pop this question in here
ron - u said mesc freebase was soluble in acetone in ur mesc solubility thread - how soluble is it ?
 
Phlux- said:
this thread is getting action and i cant not take advantage of that - i have to pop this question in here
ron - u said mesc freebase was soluble in acetone in ur mesc solubility thread - how soluble is it ?
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why iso? mescaline is extremely soluble in iso at room temp
why acetone? mescaline isn't soluble(ok it is but barely) in room temp tone

this could be done with acetone alone but, you would have to heat it to dissolve your mescaline
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so not so solube.

gredder
 
so this is what im going to try out when i have my cacit


make a resin with water( evap totaly)
base with sodium carb(ad sodium carb add abidwater to make a past let i dry)
pull with IPA99%
crash out xtals with IPA99@/hcl salution

xtals wil crash out becouse mesc in salt for is not solible in IPA99%

greeder
 
let us know how it work... resin has a weird consistence, though, I really dont know how easy it is to make paste with sodium carbonate, but sounds like an interesting experiment that you are doing.

what about mescaline fumarate or citrate or acetate? Are they soluble in IPA? would be nice to crash out a salt form of mescaline with food-safe chems
 
i wil try this shizzle in a manth or so

it read somware thet acetate is not solible in IPA but fumaric is but fumaric mesc whas not thet potent.


plux said:
im currently doing the above - with acetone and lime tho.
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acetone is a bad solvent fotr mesc only if it very hot and you need alot of acetone for lo yeild mesc
 
im not sure thats too true pano - cacti extractions have too many variables and im not sure how many times its been tried.
il test it myself :)
 
Phlux- said:
im not sure thats too true pano - cacti extractions have too many variables and im not sure how many times its been tried.
il test it myself :)
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whell tel me you result acetone is alot chaper then IPA so i wold like to know :D
 
panoramix said:
i wil try this shizzle in a manth or so

it read somware thet acetate is not solible in IPA but fumaric is but fumaric mesc whas not thet potent.
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Dude, what is wrong with your spelling?

Please do try to type more clearly! Many people here do not speak English as a native language.

panoramix said:
plux said:
im currently doing the above - with acetone and lime tho.
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acetone is a bad solvent fotr mesc only if it very hot and you need alot of acetone for lo yeild mesc
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Panoramix you are getting confused here. Mescaline salts are not very soluble in acetone. Mescaline chloride and mescaline sulfate are almost insoluble on acetone for instance, whereas other salts like mescaline fumarate and mescaline acetate are somewhat soluble in it.

What phlux is doing is pulling freebase mescaline from a lime/resin paste (first wet, then dried) using acetone and then acidifying this acetone. This is a good idea, since freebase mescaline is soluble in acetone, just as it is solubble in ethanol, chloroform, benzene, limonene and xylene.
 
a chill

thenkx

sorry for my crappy english i do my best but im verry dislectic and im from the nederlands

so english is not my native language. its hart for me to type but ity is gething better every day.

greeder panoramix
 
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