mesc sulfate crystals, 400x mag.

[benzyme]

so the friend took 400 mg..
he said it was the cleanest experience he ever had. 10 hours of clarity and bliss, no anxiety. saturated colors with some darker hues, geometric visuals; every breath seemed energetic and fueled the visuals. no crash, just a feeling of well-being the next day, joyous reflection.

 

[Phlux-]

orsim - thats it - next load is sulphate.

 

[dg]

maybe 200-500 um (they were broken up with a microspatula). they're really tiny

is the tiny size a symptom of the ultra sonic thing you posted?
i commonly get crystals 1/4" or longer

 

[benzyme]

you know, it could be.

but they sure got clean. cleaner than the magnified ones posted on erowid, that's for sure 8)

 

[mindash]

bravo benz man, that stuff looks dangerous lol

 

[dg]

you know, it could be.

but they sure got clean. cleaner than the magnified ones posted on erowid, that's for sure 8)

yes, they look very nice. i think i mentioned once before that eroid pictures needed an update

i find a slow crash at room temp or fridge with minimal tone grows larger crystals with this method, but i usually add tone until it turns cloudy, then pop in freezer

i'm sure you dont need this benz, but for others>
An easy re crystalization of hydrocloric or sulfuric:
add dried crystals to hot acetone or mek, add drops of water until all the crystals are totally dissolved, simmer on low heat to reduce a bit
pop back in freezer

 

[Mindlusion]

ACS-grade is for those who aren't scared of chemicals; typically higher purity than USP-grade and tech-grade. it's what's generally referred to as "lab-grade".

if one seeks ACS-grade, it's because one will settle for nothing less than 99.8% pure chemicals.

:lol:

 

[benzyme]

gonna retry this.
already salted with dilute sulf.

...and now I have LCMS.

 

[Poekus]

I want to make some sulphate too (those crystals are so nice) but have no clue how to get rid of potential excess of sulphuric acid. The source of the extraction is not consistent so there is no way to tell in advance how much to titrate.

Is there a way to clean the excess acid or way to titrate so that the excess acid can't end up in the end product?

I have 98% sulphuric acid at home as well as decent lab glassware / filters / vacuum .

 

[Muskogee Herbman]

awesome photos, and tons of great info thank you Benz

 

[benzyme]

I want to make some sulphate too (those crystals are so nice) but have no clue how to get rid of potential excess of sulphuric acid. The source of the extraction is not consistent so there is no way to tell in advance how much to titrate.

Is there a way to clean the excess acid or way to titrate so that the excess acid can't end up in the end product?

I have 98% sulphuric acid at home as well as decent lab glassware / filters / vacuum .

residual sulfuric acid shouldn't be present after evap, but any residual will be in solution (the acetone/water), and complexed salts will crash out. simply filter out the salts, while rinsing with cold acetone.

awesome photos, and tons of great info thank you Benz

always welcome :thumb_up:

 

[benzyme]

rotavap'ng the salts. sulfate solutions aren't exactly volatile, this is going to take a while.
at least it looks cloudy, and the pH is in the low 5's.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Just posting more or less just as a book mark so I can follow this thread. (Picture is of mescaline citrate extracted from trichocereus Pachanoi)

-eg

 

[Poekus]

So you're distilling the solution off to remain the crystals. What's the purpose of that as you mentioned the crystals crash out and can be filtered after titration? Did you over titrate with solution so that the mescaline sulphate keeps dissolved in solution?

 

[benzyme]

I'm doing an initial evap. I will redissolve the solute (which is greenish), in acetone:water, 60:40, as I had done previously.
this dissolves the solute when warm, and crashes it out when cold. then (i may sonicate first), I vac filter, rinse with cold acetone,
then cold naphtha.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Is there a reason why you chose to produce the sulfate salt?

-eg

 

[JustAnotherHuman]

sorry for the poor res, it was taken with a cheap Celestron usb microscope
but it's about 99% pure.

Such pretty crystals benzyme! Looks just like shards of broken glass! Amazing!

99% purity? Damn son!

 

[benzyme]

crystal resolution.
they aren't as hygroscopic as other salts, and store well, long term.
mescaline isn't affected by autooxidation

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

crystal resolution.
they aren't as hygroscopic as other salts, and store well, long term.
mescaline isn't affected by autooxidation

Makes sense, the sulfate salt does have a reputation for producing brilliant crystals...

It's the sulfate and the hydrochloride which are encountered most often...

I have a good deal of the citrate salt on hand, but intend to produce samples of the hydrochloride and the sulfate. I want to have a sample of all the various salt forms of mescaline on hand eventually.

Have you noticed the "broad and uncharacteristic" melting point which shulgin mentions for the sulfate salt in PIHKAL?


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Mescaline free base = Exact Mass: 211.121 g/mol

Citric acid = 192.12 g/mol
H2s04 = 98.079 g/mol
HCL = 36.458 g/mol

98.079 + 211.261 = 309.34 g/mol mescaline sulfate

211.261 + 36.458 = 247.719 g/mol = Mescaline hydrochloride

This makes the sulfate 11% heavier than the hydrochloride, which really is not that big of a difference, but still must be taken into account when weighing out doses...from this perspective it's the hydrochloride salt which would be the most desirable, though as long as one understands that the dose must be adjusted to compensate for this, I suppose that ultimately it really doesn't matter.

-eg

 

[Mindlusion]

crystal resolution.
they aren't as hygroscopic as other salts, and store well, long term.
mescaline isn't affected by autooxidation

Have you noticed the "broad and uncharacteristic" melting point which shulgin mentions for the sulfate salt in PIHKAL?


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Usually due to the presence of water