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Methanol Jungle Extract Question.

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Burnttoast22

Burnttoast22

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Hello lovely people,

Ive got some basified root bark that Ive been extracting using the vinegar/lime tek. Ive done the requisite 4 pulls with Naphtha but would like to get the rest of the alkaloids out.

Ive messed about with the Limonene teks for pulling jungle before and tbh they're a bit of a PITA so have done a bit more reading and it seems from a few threads on here that Methanol can be used to pull the last of the goodies and then simply evaporate completely and then optionally re-x.

Ive acquired some 99% Methanol. The method seems sound to me but wanted to check first unless I accidentily do something a bit wasteful.

BTW the dry tek is absolutely amazing!
 
Careful because methanol is toxic, you absolutely dont want to breathe in vapors when evaporating it. Do it outside and far from people and pets, if you dont have a rotavap

Methanol will mix with water so it cant work in a aqueous A/B but in a dry tek you could try using. Not sure how impure the final product will be but you can further purify later it if necessaur
 
endlessness said:
Careful because methanol is toxic, you absolutely dont want to breathe in vapors when evaporating it. Do it outside and far from people and pets, if you dont have a rotavap

Methanol will mix with water so it cant work in a aqueous A/B but in a dry tek you could try using. Not sure how impure the final product will be but you can further purify later it if necessaur
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Thanks, I have a fume hood and work with other various nasties so no worries there.

I'll give it a go and report back.
 
Loveall said:
To check for any leftovers why not simply do another warm naphtha pull?
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I did the final freeze evap after reducing 4 warm naphtha pulls on 200g of bark and only yielded 1g of the fluffy white stuff. I usually get 1.5-1.7% total with this bark so theres a good g or so left in there at least.

The only thing I did different with this batch was I was able to powder the bark properly instead of just leaving it in its shredded state and didnt bother doing the initial freeze/heat cycle on it.

Now I have a gauge im gonna do a couple more naphtha pulls and then move to Methanol.

When I need to make some more I'll powder AND freeze it to see if that makes any difference.

On a completely seperate note your CIELO tek is absolutely wonderful and works beautifully! THank you to everyone involved!
 
Ah yes, lime can be tricky with naphtha. Naphtha does not penetrate well, even with finely ground root bark. You definitely need to process the paste beforehand to get to the goods. If using naphtha I think lie is much better. It is a lot more caustic, but safer than methanol in my opinion.

Or you could try to freeze and thaw your bark now, then pull with naphtha again.

Or do both (freeze thaw + lie addition).

If you add lie to your paste 0.25 grams per gram of bark is plenty to help the naphtha get to the DMT for finely ground bark (from what I have seen).

Separate note: ethyl acetate works well with simple lime. Check put the HIELO tek, and thanks for your feedback on CIELO.
 
Did not know that about Lime and Naphtha.

In the meantime Ive added a bit more Lime as the paste was a bit watery IMO. That alone pushed about 30ml of naphtha out of the bark.

Im committed to doing another naphtha pull now but I'll freeze the paste and add a bit of lye as well and see if that makes any difference tomorrow.

I'll have a look at the HEILO tek, thanks for the tip.

I have about 700ml of Limonene lying around but I dont really want to use that as its so expensive where I am.

Methanol is very cheap though so I will do a pull using that and see what occurs as its not gonna hurt and might produce some useful information to report back.

Appreciate you taking the time mate. Just about to salt out 134g of Bridgesii in 1.5l of EA. Wish me luck ;)
 
Yeah lime and naphtha do work, but you need to follow the tek and do the freeze/thaw + vinegar treatments.

Lie and naphtha are great without the need for all the extra work in my opinion , as long as the bark is ground fine.

Ethyl acetate has great penetrating power and works well with bark/lime. It is used do decafitate whole coffee beans!

Interested in your CIELO results. Funny how this DMT post was a gateway into mescaline 😁
 
Did the naphtha pull. Used 400ml (10 mins at 50c or so) distilled 300ml off and its been sitting in the freezer for the last couple of hours and has gone wonderfully cloudy.

We'll see what it has to show me 2m. If theres more than 0.5g I'll do another one and then move onto the Methanol.

I would use EA but its far too precious to use for DMT, Its sodding expensive where I am and I will be saving it for the cacti.

Now, the important stuff lol

My first CIELO attempt was with 80g dried flesh Ive had knocking around for a few years and (I know this was stupid) 80g of fresh cactus I'd just chopped and dried/powdered. Both of them were Pachanoi.

Tek went swimmingly; had to shake the bottle a good few times to get things started on day 2 but ended up with 1.3g of citrate which I was happy with.

The Bridgesii I used this time had been chopped and stored for 3 months prior to me powderising it.

Chucked 16g of CA into the jar and it immediately went super cloudy, a few hours later its still super cloudy and crystals seems to be precipitating. I've put it away somewhere so I dont get the urge to shake it but im feeling quietly confident by Tuesday I should have some goodies.

One small observation Ive made is that removing the waxy skin before converting to powder made a big difference to the paste which was a lot easier to work with and had the 'sandy' consistancy the tek talks about. It also didnt get sticky half as fast as the first batch I made.

If theres a more appropriate thread I can post in with my results and observations, please let me know as im still a new member so dont have access to the whole forum yet.
 
Burnttoast22 said:
I'll give it a go and report back.
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Well, that did not go well at all. Added 400ml of Methanol to the bark paste and it immediately mixed with everything to form a nasty sludgy soup.

I spent 6 hours vacuum filtering it to get 250ml of red liquid that smells slightly of Methanol.

Ended up throwing the paste as it was unworkable.

Im gonna let the liquid evaporate over the next few days, collect whats left, probably re-x and bioassay if its looks OK.

Will keep you posted.
 
Be quite sure to remove all the liquid, Methanol is quite sticky with water 😁 😁

Even in a 2-phase-system of Water + DCM adding any Methanol will migrate to the water and not the DCM. So as long as there is still something liquid chances are pretty high it will still contain Methanol. :!:
 
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