soulfood said:
Can anyone say in detail how the oral route differs from vapourising?
For SWIM, if the bufotenine is pure white powdered freebase (not the amber or brown stuff most people get from most extractions) then vaporizing gives a very clean experience. There's no nausea, but sometimes there's a little bit of tension for the first few minutes before it peaks.
Here's a rundown of the differences SWIM has noticed (V = vaporized, O = oral):
V Onset: 2-5 minutes
O Onset: 15-30 minutes
V Peak: 10-15 minutes
O Peak: 45-90 minutes
V Duration: 2-3 hours
O Duration: 2-3 hours
V Mild visuals: 2-5 mg
O Mild visuals: 75-100 mg
V Strong visuals: 10-30 mg
O Strong visuals: unknown (SWIM only took up to 100 mg orally)
V Nausea: not present, or only present for a few minutes
O Nausea: 100 mg and up, nausea is present for the whole trip
V Euphoria: 2 mg and up
O Euphoria: 50 mg and up
V Tingling: 5 mg and up, quite intense for the first 2 minutes, almost a prickling sensation, and then it becomes pleasant after about 5-10 minutes
O Tingling: 50 mg and up, mild, more pleasant
There are more bodily effects when it's taken orally. The nausea is more pronounced, but can be alleviated with a few Datura stramonium seeds (2-6 seeds usually is enough).
For SWIM, with the smoked route, the visuals are much more intense, but it's really hard to gauge because SWIM has not taken an oral dose that approximates a 10 mg dose of vaporized DMT. The potency of vaporized bufotenine is about 25 times that of oral bufotenine. So a 10 mg vaporized dose would be equivalent to a maybe a 250 mg oral dose. The most SWIM has taken orally was 100 mg if I recall correctly. He's taken it with and without Datura stramonium seeds. Without the seeds he gets nausea and gas after about 30 minutes and it lasts until the trip ends. It's mild nausea though. With the 3 Datura stramonium seeds the visuals are slightly stronger and the euphoria is stronger, and the nausea is gone.
The characteristics of the visuals are different when taken orally. It's more psilocybin like, not as electric and sharp as vaporized bufotenine. SWIM has only had visions of people, places, etc., from 10 mg and up of vaporized bufotenine. With the oral route, he's only had mild visual effects, no actual visions of things. But again, he's never taken a very large dose of bufotenine orally.
I have a feeling that oral bufotenine is going to get very uncomfortable as the dose is raised. The side effects are much stronger when it's taken orally. The main side effect would be nausea and at a dose like 250 mg, I imagine you would be quite sick with nausea for a few hours. But maybe with something like a few Datura stramonium seeds, it might be possible to take 250 mg orally without much side effects.
Oral bufotenine is something very few people have experimented with. On this forum, Jorkest reported the highest dose used so far which was 115 mg orally.
Sublingually, 115 mg would be quite a bit. It should be enough for very good visual effects. If snorted that would be a very intense trip.
Jorkest, what's the most you tried sublingually?
Once fully chewed to mush I chased it down with a beer.
