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Micro Doses of A. Colubrina Seeds

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This thread has roused my curiosity!! I have 10g of seeds sitting in a box in my room. Been wondering what to do with them... bake, mix with lime and snort, or smoke or just eat them. Seems that smoking is generally not so good. So eating or snorting seems to be the way forward...
 
balaganist said:
This thread has roused my curiosity!! I have 10g of seeds sitting in a box in my room. Been wondering what to do with them... bake, mix with lime and snort, or smoke or just eat them. Seems that smoking is generally not so good. So eating or snorting seems to be the way forward...
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Yeah, I think so. I also think most of the negative effects people are feeling, like numbness, pain, headache, etc. are caused from the vasoconstriction (as 69ron mentioned). I really think the reason I've had zero noteworthy negative effects is that I've been taking them with a vasodilator (alcohol) as ron also suggested.

As simple, effective and painless as eating the raw seeds has been for me, I don't see any reason to complicate things any more. I had significant OEV's at 2 seeds w/ 2 d. stramonium seeds, and a couple of beers. The CEV's were mild DMT like, and my head-space was very LSD like.

Peace
-idt
 
LLB said:
one question...
the vasoconstriction that occurs when smoked is very unpleasant as is it when snuffed... so what your saying ron is that these do not occur if one has been drinking?
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SWIM doesn’t drink and never tried this classic mix of seeds with wine but might some day. The alcohol should block the vasoconstriction effects. Vitamin B3 (niacin) is also good for that. Normally 3 seeds are used by the natives and it’s brewed into the wine. They don’t actually call it wine, but it’s an alcoholic drink of some sort, actually I think it’s more like a beer.

Here’s an Erowid trip report from a guy that prefers using these seeds with alcohol:

“My favorite combo is with alcohol, though I do not generally drink. For some reason, the personalities of these two intoxicants seem compatible. Keep the alcohol dose fairly low and avoid sugary, dark or flavored alcohol and it will greatly enhance the mental effects of the yopo.”

Huasca Combo (Syrian Rue & A. colubrina) - Erowid Exp - 'Gift of the Amazon'

An Experience with Huasca Combo (Syrian Rue & A. colubrina). 'Gift of the Amazon' by Persistent
www.erowid.org

Anadenanthera colubrina is one of the few psychedelics the natives use with alcohol.
 
Now I recall. These seeds are traditionally added to chichi [EDIT: the correct spelling is CHICHA], not wine.
 
LLB said:
probably peach palm left out to ferment... taken that its a crude solvent too and that high fructose based fermented beverages gain access to the body quicker, your looking at a fast carrier mechanism into the body... adding the seeds to vodka and allowing them to just sit for a while in the fridge should be effective as well. once again the science of herbalism... one could do the same with wine... just strain the seeds after soaking them in the wine.
chicha is a corn beer made traditional in SA i dare any one to drink it down there though... it will give you the shits something awefull. lol...
but what your looking at with chicha is a high fructose corn based fermented ethanol. the corn cultivars they have in SA are different then anything you will ever see in NA... you will fall in love with corn there i tell you and fall to crushing disapointment when you come home... but they have corn varieties there that are so HIGH in fructose that its easy to make a basic ferment with them. the pruple is the best and highest in sugar, they sell it as two different products, one is a chicha sort of soda like root beer kinda ( and they have this stuff called inca cola down there thats crazy sweet.. jesus... like big red long neck soda... but sweet if you can believe it. they also make a sort of pudding out of it which is amazing and when you find out its not a berry but CORN it will blow your mind... any way... i have been thinking about the divinatory chicha for some time now... and this is some serious progress in its replication. i think that people could brew a beer with the seeds rationed out per bottle and that might be a nice trick... but soaking them in wine i think could be effective...
any one recall the guy who posted some where that he tried to make a anal clyster by adding lime to the seeds then putting them in coca butter and shoving it up his ass... the lime burnt the hell out of his colon.. cracks me up... any way... i think that the beer was also used as an enema. and might be very effective... now if any one gets a wild seed up their ass to try this.. be aware that alcohol is absorbed much faster rectally then one can imagine and alcohol poisoning for light weights could occur much faster this way... SO very very week flat beer would be the method of choice as chicha was very low in alcohol content and was used as a way of purifying drinking water as it was around the world.
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Hahahaha! Don't come looking for me to test the anal route! I mean, if it was the only effective way to experience something amazing, then I'd be open to it, but... (pun intended) :)

I've been eating the seeds with strong micro brews, high in hops, malt, alcohol and sugar (but much less sugar and alcohol than wine). I chew the seeds to a mush before washing them down, and I'm sure I get a fair amount of lingual absorption before it goes down the hatch.

So, any idea what kind of brew might compare closely with chichi? Perhaps a berry or fruit beer of some sort? I'm curious because I'd love to try something very similar to the traditional concoction.

Peace
-idt
 
I'm sorry, "chichi" is a typo. It's chicha.

Actually there was a wine also, now that I recall. The wine was called “vino de cebil” (cebil wine) which was made by Mataco Indians.
 
the mataco make it eh? thats interesting... in bolivia you see the seeds sold in the markets for the purpose of divination and burnt offering ceremonies, they do not ingest them any more though. i had the privilege of reintroducing after hundreds of years the snuff to a bolivian shaman. first bolivian shaman to snuff the seeds ceremonially since the spanish invasion...
swim would think that the seeds could be added to any alcohol and it would be fine, you would want a higher level of alcohol for the vasoconstriction effects, swim thinks a strong beer like arrogant bastard would do the trick ; ) wine though swim would think would be superior. SWIM also thinks that a nice simple extract of the seeds left in vodka and then taken sublingually and then swallowed after drinking a previous shot would probably do the trick QUITE nicely...
 
History doesn’t show this combination is dangerous.

The seeds have only traces of harmala style MAOI alkaloids. I don't think its enough to do anything at all at that dose. Plus, they are RIMAs, which are relatively safe MAOI compounds.
 
After reading reports on effects of A. Colubrina Seeds I went to sleep and saw a strange dream as if postman comes to my house and misdelivers a package with the letters FV on it:
The contents were identified as a. colubrina seeds and datura inoxia seeds. 5 d. inoxia seeds were immediately grinded and swallowed. 3 biggest colubrina seeds were peeled, grinded, kept in mouth and swallowed in approximately 20 minutes after ingesting inoxia seeds. 15 minutes later slight sedation effect was felt (inoxia contributed?) and later slight feeling of nausea. Both effects were gone in ~10 minutes. I woke up in utter disbelief. Definitely not a psychedelic dose. Will try again with maximum safest amount which would be how many seeds in your opinion? Also I would grind them, peel and let soak in modest amount of wine for next attempt. Peace
 
Interesting. I haven't tried them with d. inoxia, only d. stramonium. I don't think you'd feel much effect from 3 d. inoxia seeds though. I've eaten 10 d. inoxia seeds many years ago, and only felt very light effects if anything.

I don't know what the maximum safe dose is, but from what I've read I think people vary greatly in their sensitivity to bufotenine. I ate two seeds just the other night and felt almost nothing, where as at other times just a half seed has given me fairly pronounced effects. Not sure how much variance in potency there might be from seed to seed, but it does seem that there is obviously some. I'm just happy that I appear to be very sensitive to bufo! 😉

I'm not sure what the max safe dose is. You might check erowid. There are a lot of posts on there of different methods of ingestion, quantities, etc.

EDIT: One additional note. Having an empty stomach seems to make a big difference for me as well. Lastly, I really think alcohol plays a major role in how much effect these seeds provide. I think there is a key synergy between the two. Just my two cents...

Peace
-idt
 
So, 1 small seed was ingested without alcohol. After 30 minutes, very faint CEV were witnessed and a light bodyload. The participant went to bed and tried to catch some of the interesting visuals, reminding him of ancient patterns. Then he dozed off, to awake an hour later, disorientated, with hot and hurting legs and an overall uncomfortable body feel. Visuals were still mild, but very obvious. He tried to sleep but it wasn'T very easy. Slight anxiety kept creeping on as the body feel and the pain grew stronger.

He woke up the next morning unrefreshed, and rather tired, dreaming about difficult choices in life and stuff.

Overall, not a very attractive experience.
 
Obliguhl, have you tried it with alcohol yet? It’s said to be much better combined with alcohol. That's the only way it's used orally by the natives. They NEVER take it orally without alcohol.

SWIM doesn't drink so he's not tried it with alcohol yet, but is planning to.

It’s nice orally with 3 Datura stramonium seeds. SWIM can attest to that:)
 
no fx... tried twice, oral, first 1.5 seeds, then 3 seeds in the other day, no alcohol added or previous toast.

All the seeds were preety fresh.
 
I have been experimenting more, and alcohol is absolutely key to efficacy as well as eliminating the negative vasoconstriction effect. I have found that having a good buzz going is much more effective than just a single beer, or single glass of wine. Pain or numbing of limbs or extremities is a clear sign of vasoconstriction. More alcohol definitely boosts the body buzz for me also.

I have read many reports of vasoconstriction pain on Erowid from people eating or primarily smoking these seeds w/o a vasodilator, and it certainly doesn't sound fun. I have nothing but pleasant bliss when I eat them with a little alcohol buzz going on. Higher doses create some nausea if I'm really active, but this is easily combated with d. stramonium.

Age of seeds is not really a big factor. Because of the seeds protective casing they will remain active almost indefinitely if just stored in a baggy, in a drawer or box. The strength of the seeds really depends on when they are harvested and the tree they are harvested from. If they are harvested from a weak source or too early or late in their growth cycle, they will be weak, but if they are harvested at the right time, and from a good tree then they should be strong and remain strong for at least a year or so.

Peace
-idt
 
burnt said:
So you all think a few beers would be good to take before smoking bufotenin? Any other good ideas for vasodialators? Maybe cannabis it has some vasodialating properties? SWIM can't stand the side effects of bufo.
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I think some of the nootropics like piracetam and others are vasodilators also. You might check into that. I also know that there are several hebals that facilitate vasodilation.

Peace
-idt
 
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