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Micro Doses of A. Colubrina Seeds

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Balaganist, maybe they are just weak.

SWIM has been using these seeds for many years and despite what some vendors would like you to believe, there is not a single vendor that has “good quality” seeds. The seeds vary dramatically in alkaloid content from batch to batch. Even within the same batch some of the seeds are super potent while others are super weak.

SWIM has found that when one particular vendor’s seeds are of good quality, most of the other vendors at that time also have good quality seeds. Likewise, when one vendor’s seeds are of bad quality, most of the other vendors at that time also have bad quality seeds. There seems to be good and bad times to buy the seeds.

I think probably 90% of these seeds available on the market come from the exact same source and so it doesn’t much matter where you get them. Right now seems to be a good time to get them. If you check the other forums, most people on the net are reporting that their seeds are potent right now.
 
jorkest...
maybe try chewing the seeds up with some cacoa nibs... that might get rid of the flavour... but a cap might not be bad either...
 
SWIM must have weak seeds too. Last night he ate 5 seeds with 1 beer, 1 cup passionflower tea, and 1 cup of ginger water, and only felt dysphoria for about an hour, along with the slight pressure and nausea. All the effects seemed to vanish after about 2 hours.

The taste wasn't really that bad at all, he chewed them whole (not toasted) w/ shell intact and washed down with water about 2 hours after eating. Maybe the more worse the taste the more potent the seed? (My vendor was LLG, btw.)
 
Speakin of soakin it in vodka...
the polypotion worked just fine... no sickness... ginger and the cacoa nibs worked their wonders and the shot was fine... might want to add more seeds to the mix. possibly 4 per shot. as it was a mellow buzz. but still good!
 
Do you think it would be a good idea to try some seeds with alcohol, datura s. vitamin b3 and ginger at a party or festival? How much alcohol?`Do one need a strong buzz?
 
um edible lime kinda wrecks the mouth at the dose you need SWIm thinks...
honestly... all yah need to do is just soak the seeds in vodka 2 seeds for a shot and mix it with some cocao nibs and some raw ginger until its a dark reddish brown color..... its quite pretty. unless you mix in the chocolate beans its going to taste like hell on earth... and the ginger only helps the stomach....
drink a bit to get a buzz on prior then drink the cebil tonic and viola... take a little crystallized ginger your good to go.
it would be great for any event... SWIMS AND SWIYS test drove it at a local dive bar not to long ago and had a lovely time... the come on however should be done in a rather relaxed venue because it can be a bit hard if your not already buzzed.
 
This sounds interesting, thanks!
Do you discard the soaked seeds and how long do you let them soak?

And: Can you elaborate on the effect this drink had on you?
 
Swim tried eating some with alcohol the other night and got a decent effect. he had had four beers then chewed six seeds. He had tried one, didnt get anything, then 3, didnt get anything again then the 6. He thought that nothing was going to happen and forgot about it then 45 minutes later he all of a sudden got a lot of pressure on his head and realised they were taking effect. He had some nausea so took some datura stramonium and it kind of subsided. He had minor cev's and the whole room took on this fuzzy vibe, his body also had this buzzing sensation. This lasted about an hour or so, very mild but when he went to the supermarket he realised he still had pretty decent effects which lasted maybe another two hours.

Swim like to thank idtravler for bringing this to our attention, swim tried to extract from the same seeds twice and failed and he also tried smoking them and just felt a little effect with nausea so hes very happy that hes finally getting something from them.

Swim will probably double that dose tomorrow evening with lots of ginger and datura stramonium. He was also considering taking some theobromine with it, he was wondering if anyone knew how much he should take and what to expect? He also has some cacao powder. Cheers.
 
Both times that smoking worked for me, I drank cocoa before hand. The first time I also smoked caapi and the visuals were better and there was more color..never tried ingesting them yet though..will have to try with some datura one day as well..
 
well... swiy and swim drank a shot and had the sensation instantly in the gut... VERY mild stomach unease... which a nice vodka tonic with lime eased out and swim and swiy started feeling the effects of a tryptamine body high, euphoria, heightened sensitivity to ones environment, heightened intuition. At one point swim and swiy where riffing off of reading each others minds... the high was clear and matched wel with the alcohol buzz. you really just felt you wanted a good buzz and to not go farther then that. drinks where drank slowly. good humor, mood elevation.
3-4 hours in effect. swiys smoked concentrated caapi leaf and received great OEVS and CEVS. clarity... very clear...

Agua De La Mente Recipe
Its as easy as infusing vodka with berries or what not...
take a bottle of vodka...
measure out the number of shot glasses you can fill up with the bottle. then once you have that number place 2 seeds for every shot. Add fresh ginger and cocao nibs with the fresh seeds de-husked and ground in coffee grinder and all placed in a mason jar with the vodka left to sit for 2-3 weeks... 2 months can be good too... an average tincture time.
Shake daily and keep in a dark place...
the color will be a lovely dark ruddy hue...
be sure to be heavy with the ginger and cocoa nibs.
The ritual...
A drink of your choice is drank until an appropriate feeling of buzzing, gin or vodka tonic is choice the tonic water is VERY good for easing stomach pain and is anti-cramping...
Pour your shot...
Toast to the six directions...
Ask your question, what do you want to ask the fruit of the world tree?
drink your shot...
eat a few pieces of sugared ginger and have your self prepared a nice Joint of Concentrated caapi leaf for passing around to your fellow seekers... talk sit revel... and if you like a few more drinks of your favorite drink.
pay attention and the question you asked the shot will give you its answer...
 
Very detailed, i enjoyed it very much! It's interesting to read that you recommend alcoholic beverages to ease ones stomach. It seems that the nausea really got something to with A.Colubrinas sideeffects.
 
I recently tried chewing one seed after having 2 shots of triple refined unflavored vodka, with mixed results. I had euphoria for a good while, so much so that I felt like messing around on the tight rope i built in my back yard. After about 10 mins of wobbling around I had an extreme urge to purge (lol) and I did. This whole time feeling like I was on top of the world, I normally do not like purging at all. Actually, it normally puts me into a bad state of mind, but this time I felt great.

The day after I decided to test to see if it was me or the seeds that made me vomit. I had a friend take 2 shots and a seed to see how it affected him. He is a much more experienced drug user than I, but does not know much about it all (which is very common around here). He said "It makes me feel very fuzzy, kinda like I'm really stoned, but much more sedating." He was in a noticeably good mood, which is surprising because we both had just worked 10.5 hours. He had no purge and actually asked for a second seed about 45 min in.
 
I still need to try this oral route one day..sounds worthy. Do you get any visual stimuli? Like colours enhanced or sharpening of the visual field etc?
 
One time I got mild CEV#s off of 1 seed. Ever since then I've tried up to 4 and got nothing but nausea. It's a strange animal. I think the variation between seed to seed is very unpredictable.
 
SWIM just ordered some seeds from online. SWIM was skimming across different info on A. Colubrina seeds and found this:

Introduction :
The seeds of Anadenanthera colubrina have been used for at least 4500 years in South America and appears to have been very important in the Tiahuanaco culture5. Etnographic artefacts, archeological sites and early writings have also indicated that aside from tabacco snuff (one of the main curatives) the ancient Indians employed another strongly intoxicating snuff called villca (or Huilca) in southern Peru and Bolivia and Cébil in Northern Argentina1,4. Although several plants have been frequently called villca1, it is likely that the psychoactive snuffs were prepared from Anadenanthera species.
Polo de Ondegardo, in 1571, stated that the witch doctors of the Incas intoxicated themselves to forsee the future by adding villca juice to chicha (an alcoholic beverage that was valued as a curative) or by administrating it in a different manner1,5. Around the same time (at the time of the Spanish arrival), a different report mentioned that the Comechingon Indians ". . . took something called sébil through the nose. . . , and the Huarpe Indians chewed a substance cibil for endurance."
Effects
Psychedelic, purgative: Lucid thoughts, visual hallucinations, alterations of space and time perception, emotional disturbances, nausea, extreme lassitude1,5.
Autonomic effects: nausea, retching, flushing of the face and a rise of body temperature.

Duration :
When villca is snuffed the effects start almost immediately and last 20-30 minutes; ayahuasca analoques (combinations with MAO-inhibitors) start within an hour after ingestion and last 4-6 hours; when smoked, the effects last 1-2 hours.


Dosage and preparation :
When snuffed, the seeds should be roasted and be made into a very fine powder. This powder can be snuffed or can be blown into the nasal cavity (using a V-shaped tube of which one end is put in the mouth and the other end into the nostril).1 One should realize that some experience and skill are required to inspire powders3.
Anadenanthera colubrina seeds can be used as an additive Chicha, but they may also be used as an ayahuasca-analoque, by combining them with banisteriopsis stems or 3 grams of peganum harmala seed.
One gram of powder is a good starting dose for a snuff; 0.15-1.0 g when smoked and from 1.0 g when taken as an ayahuasca analoque.

Pharmacology :
Bufotenine is nearly identical with serotonine (serotonine's direct N,N-dimethyl homoloque) and melatonine (melatonine is involved in the biological-clock activity). Due to this structural resemblance, the tryptamines have affinity for various serotonergic 5-HT2-receptors.
Villca's psychedelic effects might be explained by the fact that these substances are partial-agonists on the receptor subtype 5-HT2A; the receptor subtype 5-HT2A is involved in hallucinogenic activity.2, 4, 5 The tryptamines also inhibt esterase. Because the active tryptamines are substrate for monoamine oxidase (MAO) these tryptamines are psychologically inactive when taken orally without a MAO-inhibitor. 2, 3, 5 Peganum harmala and Banisteriopsis caapi are b-carboline containing plants that can be effectively used to inhibit MAO and thereby make the tryptamines orally active. These combinations also intensify and lenghten the effects of the tryptamines.


Modifiers :
- MAO-inhibitors and sympathomimetic amines (amphetamine, ephedrine etc.) have positive synergistic effects; they prolong and intensify the experience.2, 3
- Caffeine in combination with MAOI can cause hyperreactivity and suspiciousness.
- Hashish or marihuana can also alter the experience. Usually produces a positive feeling.
- Tricyclic-antidepressants and a-typical neuroleptica that act as antagonists on the receptor subtype 5-HT2A (risperidon) antagonize the effects.2, 3
- Ascorbic acid (vitamin c) doesn't change the intensity of the experience, but it alters its quality: it increases concentration and decreases paranoid thinking. The user will also be less tired at the end of the experience.NOT to be combined with MAO-inhibitors
See paragraph 1.5 monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI)

Thought this was overall interesting because SWIM was thinking about taking a seed and a glass of red wine to start out with and around 30mg of THH to see if theres an increased effect from the THH.
 
Well SWIM finally got his A. Colubrina seeds today and decided to start out with just orally chewing 1 ofthebigger seeds out of the bunch. SWIM is usually very sensitive to effects of psychs and entho's.

After chewing up 1 seeda and swallowing, the effects SWIM didnt start to notice until about 30-40mins in. SWIM had gotten a slight tingling sensation in his body with the sensation being dominant mainly in his hands. After this tingling surge that lasted for about 10 mintues or so it subsided and SWIM felt a medium level of euphoria.

Colors in SWIMs room definitely looked more vibrant and sharp looking..even moreso outside being a sunny blue sky day. SWIM was drving to work about an hour into the experience and even though SWIM was listening to music and watching the road SWIM felt sort of "dissconnected". Like in control but not....if that makes any sense at all ha. When SWIM got to work SWIM thought that it had mostly wore off..

AS SWIM was getting out of the car to walk into work he could smell the flowers that they put in front of the store but he was still out in the parking lot a good ways away. Smells outside seemed a little different..more acute it seemed. But once SWIM was inside work with all the people he ADEFINITELY NOTICED COLORS TO BE WAY MORE SHARP THAN USUAL AND BRIGHTER. And overall the next 40 minutes or so SWIM just felt an overall happiness and had a joy conversating with people :) . And to note there was a slight pressure in SWIMs head during this but it was not uncomfortable and felt kind of nice..but in a weird way..

Will try to with a glass of Sangaria :)
 
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