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Most potent mescaline containing cacti?

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It was awful. He smoked 10 mg of pure offwhite freebase bufotenine right after the peak. The vasoconstriction effects of the mescaline were increased, the vasoconstriction effects of the bufotenine were also increased (they are slightly different). The visuals of the mescaline and the bufotenine were decreased. The bufotenine blocked the euphoria of the mescaline. SWIM just felt horrible and couldn’t wait for the bufotenine to wear off. When it did wear off, the trip was stronger again and pleasant again.

Now, this was not pure mescaline. This was an achuma (trichocereus bridgesii) extract which has many active chemicals in it other than mescaline. So it may not have been a bad reaction with the mescaline at all, but something else present in that cactus that made the combination unpleasant. For SWIM achuma is very noticeably different from mescaline alone. It’s much more mellow and dreamy and seems to affect SWIMs blood circulation more than mescaline does. So maybe there’s more vasoconstriction from achuma than from mescaline alone, and that caused the bad effects?
 
polytrip said:
Tyramine maybe?
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That's very possible to reason for the bad reaction. Its said to contain mescaline, 3-methoxytyramine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, tyramine, bridgesigenin A, bridgesigenin B, kaempferol, and quercetin. With bridgesii he distinctly feels the effects of at least 2 other compounds besides mescaline. I don’t know which ones though.

All of SWIM’s extraction procedures he used on the Peruvian Torch produced effects that are identical to pure mescaline. Next time SWIM will try bufotenine with a Peruvian Torch alkaloid extract. The Peruvian Torch is said to contain tyramine, hordenine, 3-methoxytyramine, anhalaninine, anhalonidine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 3,4-dimethoxy-4-hydroxy-B-phenethylamine, and 5-dimethoxy-4-hydroxy-B-phenethylamine. But in SWIM’s experience, he can only feel the effects of the mescaline (after extraction of course).
 
That's very possible to reason for the bad reaction. Its said to contain mescaline, 3-methoxytyramine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, tyramine, bridgesigenin A, bridgesigenin B, kaempferol, and quercetin. With bridgesii he distinctly feels the effects of at least 2 other compounds besides mescaline. I don’t know which ones though.
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There's tons of varying trace compounds in different strains of Trichocereus cacti... not just a few.

Thats why I' d NEVER mix any type of cactus with an MAOI.

The Peruvian Torch is said to contain tyramine, hordenine, 3-methoxytyramine, anhalaninine, anhalonidine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 3,4-dimethoxy-4-hydroxy-B-phenethylamine, and 5-dimethoxy-4-hydroxy-B-phenethylamine
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I'm fairly sure thats incorrect... I think you may be thinking of Lophophora, but let check and get back to you.
 
Well... it's much easier to consume and you are not as likely to puke it up...

So yes I think it's much better. I'm talking Trichocereus tho... not Lophophora.

A whole 12inch cactus can be reduced to a few grams dried (more like 7-15g).
 
The potent San Pedro cacti with 2% mescaline are very rare to come by.

10 dried grams of record breaking 2% cactus only contains 200 mg of mescaline. That's a small dose for most people.

But most cactus SWIM has obtained won't produce any effects until you eat close to 200 grams of dried cactus. That’s a lot.

Most people eat 10 dried grams of the typical weak San Pedro, and get no effects and so they usually never try it again.

From what I read most average San Pedro has 0.3% or less mescaline. So 10 grams of such weak cactus would have only 30 mg of mescaline. That’s not enough to do anything at all. At that concentration you’d need at least 60 dried grams for a weak trip, 120 for a good trip.
 
10 dried grams of record breaking 2% cactus only contains 200 mg of mescaline. That's a small dose for most people.
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Your forgetting that the green layer is more potent than the rest of the cactus. Check Trout's Notes... you do have that book right? I'll get you a page number here in a bit...

I believe the green layer in most of the cacti I have must be 3-5% because 10grams is normally a full blown dose.
 
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10 dried grams of record breaking 2% cactus only contains 200 mg of mescaline. That's a small dose for most people.
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Your forgetting that the green layer is more potent than the rest of the cactus. Check Trout's Notes... you do have that book right? I'll get you a page number here in a bit...

I believe the green layer in most of the cacti I have must be 3-5% because 10grams is normally a full blown dose.[/quote]

I’m not forgetting anything. I said cactus, but outer skin.

Dude, I’m starting to get very skeptical about what you’re posting. You sound like a sales guy talking. From what I’ve read, even the so called “potent clones” vary dramatically in mescaline content and that there is no cactus that is consistent in mescaline content. Even peyote varies a lot.
 
I advocate Sacred Succulents... they are not my business, so I certainly don't make any money off that...

Do you want me to mail you a potent cactus?

BTW 69ron I have the upmost respect for you.

From what I’ve read, even the so called “potent clones” vary dramatically in mescaline content and that there is no cactus that is consistent in mescaline content.
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Check out Edot, The Corroboree and the Nook.

There ARE potent cacti!
 
its interesting about the achuma and bufotenine..because SWIM was on achuma cacti when he smoked the bufotenine...it was at the tail end of the trip and he only smoked a little bit..the visuals increased..the euphoria increased and it was like it brought back the mescaline..

and the next thing is that SWIM must be super sensitive to mescaline and friends because he was only able to get down 3.5 grams of the stuff..and it took him about 15 minutes to eat that much..slowly chewing each piece..holding it in his mouth..really tasting it...that lasted until about 2 grams..then he just chewed it up with apple cider..perhaps something in the cider made it more potent?! because at the 15 minute point...this is 15 minutes after he started eating it..he hadnt even finished it yet..he felt effects..

he tripped out all day..and right before he went to bed..he smoked MAYBE 5mg of impure bufotenine...and it increased everything so much..

the cacti he got were from the Bear..achuma..and he carved up the cacti very carefully..only saving the pure green parts..he had planned on eating 5 grams..but he had to stop..

not sure why SWIM is so sensitive to PEA's...hes eaten lots of research chemicals..

RC's MDA, MDMA, and cacti seem to really effect him strongly and quickly..so perhaps there is something about his body that is causing the bufo to react kindly to it...he will have to try this out again..

and he has a friend that he gave some cacti and bufo to test out..and has yet to hear back from him..perhaps if he had a decent time it was because of the cacti SWIM has and not body chemistry
 
the cacti he got were from the Bear..achuma..and he carved up the cacti very carefully..only saving the pure green parts..he had planned on eating 5 grams..but he had to stop..
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Your not super sensitive you just did everything right and got a potent clone. The Bear's "Achuma" is a good clone.
 
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the cacti he got were from the Bear..achuma..and he carved up the cacti very carefully..only saving the pure green parts..he had planned on eating 5 grams..but he had to stop..
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Your not super sensitive you just did everything right and got a potent clone. The Bear's "Achuma" is a good clone.[/quote]

What is this Bear place? It’s not Bouncing Bear Botanicals is it? Because the achuma from them that SWIM got was of VERY POOR QUALITY. Nearly worthless. Nice looking plant though.


[quote='Coatl]There ARE potent cacti![/quote]

I'm not disputing that fact at all. That is a known fact. Some San Pedro are reported by respectable researchers to have more than 2% mescaline, and over 5% in the outer flesh.

I’m just saying SWIM has never been lucky enough to acquire such cactus, and that in general, what’s available on the net and at the local stores is weak stuff.

It would be nice if all the San Pedro cacti available contained something like 2% mescaline.

If you look at Trout’s notes on San Pedro, he lists the maximums found by various researchers. He doesn’t list the average mescaline content found or all the minimums found, so you get a very inaccurate idea of how potent most San Pedro actually are. From SWIM’s experience, the average content is very low, nothing near what the pro’s maximum reports in his book are.

If you’re saying that there are potent strains that consistently have something like 2% mescaline in them, then that’s news to me. SWIM wants one of those cacti and doesn’t want to waste anymore on weak San Pedro. But I’m skeptical because even the pros have shown that all of the cacti varies dramatically in mescaline content. However, just because a “pro” says something doesn’t mean its so.

SWIM has purchased so called “potent strains” from various vendors, only to be greatly disappointed. If swim can find a vendor that only sells potent San Pedro, he’ll EAT HIS WORDS, and eat the cactus too :)

Until then SWIM will remain skeptical that such strains exist.

Again, SWIM knows there are some very potent cacti out there. SWIM is not disputing that fact. It’s like the Yopo that contains 12% bufotenine, sure one batch was tested that contained 12% bufotenine, but most of the stuff on the market contains only 0.5-3% bufotenine.
 
What is this Bear place? It’s not Bouncing Bear Botanicals is it? Because the achuma from them that SWIM got was of VERY POOR QUALITY. Nearly worthless. Nice looking plant though.
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So your telling me that I and Jorkest both prepared the same clone with the same methods and got effects but you are sure it's worthless because you extracted it?

Try ordering another one and following my preperation method.

If you’re saying that there are potent strains that consistently have something like 2% mescaline in them, then that’s news to me. SWIM wants one of those cacti and doesn’t want to waste anymore on weak San Pedro. But I’m skeptical because even the pros have shown that all of the cacti varies dramatically in mescaline content. However, just because a “pro” says something doesn’t mean its so.
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And they are correct... you have to find a potent clone and then cultivate to be potent... You have to follow the time old techiques of the shamans (such as stressing and aging your cuttings before ingestion).

SWIM has purchased so called “potent strains” from various vendors, only to be greatly disappointed. If SWIM can find a vendor that only sells potent San Pedro, he’ll EAT HIS WORDS, and eat the cactus too
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Order T. bridgesii (Two- "Achuma" + SS02) from Sacred Succulents and do exactly what I tell you and you will experience the holy cactus.

Again, SWIM knows there are some very potent cacti out there. SWIM is not disputing that fact. It’s like the Yopo that contains 12% bufotenine, sure one batch was tested that contained 12% bufotenine, but most of the stuff on the market contains only 0.5-3% bufotenine.
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Exactly! And we should make efforts to find and propagate those wonderfully potent plants! Next time somebody has potent yopo seeds mail them to me and I will grow them!
 
Jorkest said:
its interesting about the achuma and bufotenine..because SWIM was on achuma cacti when he smoked the bufotenine...it was at the tail end of the trip and he only smoked a little bit..the visuals increased..the euphoria increased and it was like it brought back the mescaline..

and the next thing is that SWIM must be super sensitive to mescaline and friends because he was only able to get down 3.5 grams of the stuff..and it took him about 15 minutes to eat that much..slowly chewing each piece..holding it in his mouth..really tasting it...that lasted until about 2 grams..then he just chewed it up with apple cider..perhaps something in the cider made it more potent?! because at the 15 minute point...this is 15 minutes after he started eating it..he hadnt even finished it yet..he felt effects..

he tripped out all day..and right before he went to bed..he smoked MAYBE 5mg of impure bufotenine...and it increased everything so much..

the cacti he got were from the Bear..achuma..and he carved up the cacti very carefully..only saving the pure green parts..he had planned on eating 5 grams..but he had to stop..

not sure why SWIM is so sensitive to PEA's...hes eaten lots of research chemicals..

RC's MDA, MDMA, and cacti seem to really effect him strongly and quickly..so perhaps there is something about his body that is causing the bufo to react kindly to it...he will have to try this out again..

and he has a friend that he gave some cacti and bufo to test out..and has yet to hear back from him..perhaps if he had a decent time it was because of the cacti SWIM has and not body chemistry
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It’s hard to say Jorkest. SWIY’s achuma may not have been the same as SWIM’s achuma. It’s possible that they were completely different. Some vendors don’t know what they’re selling. The achuma SWIM had looked like San Pedro, so, he’s not really even sure it was achuma. But the effects were not like San Pedro at all. He’s assuming the vendor new what he was talking about and sold him the right variety.

SWIM will try the bufotenine combo again with another cactus and see if he gets better results.
 
Some vendors don’t know what they’re selling. The achuma SWIM had looked like San Pedro, so, he’s not really even sure it was achuma.
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If it was bridgesii from the Bear it had it spines clipped which makes it look like pachanoi. I've order tons of cuttings from them, their "Achuma" strain is always the same.

Where the fuck is Suicybe?!
 
[quote='Coatl]So your telling me that I and Jorkest both prepared the same clone with the same methods and got effects but you are sure it's worthless because you extracted it?[/quote]

No. You’re jumping to conclusions. SWIM cannot say anything about any cacti he didn’t ingest. If you guys ingested cuttings which were potent, then you guys should be happy.

SWIM’s achuma was nearly worthless. But it was active. 10 grams (dried) produced no effects at all. 60 grams (dried) produced a very mild effect with light visuals. It was peyote like in its effect, just extremely weak.

[quote='Coatl]Order T. bridgesii (Two- "Achuma" + SS02) from Sacred Succulents and do exactly what I tell you and you will experience the holy cactus.[/quote]

Sounds good to SWIM.
 
Look at this. It basically backs up what I'm saying.

Posted by: trout Jun 15 2005, 03:31 PM, from The Corroboree

The Huancabamba peruvianus looks like a pretty typical Peruvian pachanoi to me. Mine has not flowered yet
My guess is the person who collected it was using Ritters view that pachanoi and peruvianus are synonymous.
Put it side by side with a good number of Knize's pachanois and it would be hard to tell any difference.
Cruz Sanchez was getting 5% by dry wt using only the outer layers of Peruvian pachanoi. Huerta got close to this too.
Several values in excess of 1% in pachanoi have been more recently reported by Flores in Quepo a couple or so years ago.
All of these species can vary wildly. I'ver heard of uselessly weak bridgesii too.
Growth and food and conditions can make a difference but clone line seems to be the single most important factor by far.
People often have a mistaken view of pachanoi probably based largely on the predomination of Backeberg's clone.
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I guess he heard about the bridgesii SWIM bought on-line :) Cool peyote like trip, but weak as hell.
 
As trouts says in the above post Different specimens within a species do vary but potent clones do exist. Trouts notes goes over several. If SWIY has only tried generic cacti from vendors then maybe check out Sac Succ. They have some real original clones Ones that have been specifically analyzed (chemically and orally) and are reviewed in trouts notes. Yes the content can be variable based on environment however with good genetics one can get reliable quality. Check out the SSO2
 
I'll post in my cactus thread in your cacti and preperation and such, 69ron.

Hey if this doesn't work... I'll pay for the cuttings! Deal?
 
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