Must I use distilled water for a brew?

[Droopy]

So I'm trying to use the THP method. Is tap water that has been filtered through a purifier and pre-boiled okay to use? I have read that it is both okay and not okay to use, that contaminants int he water may destroy alkaloids. Possibly even fluoride contamination could ruin the brew? I do not wish my first brew to be a failure.

Also for Chakruna would the same ratio for B. Caapi be the same 1g for 150ml of water?

 

[benzyme]

which tap water minerals supposedly 'destroy' the actives?
fluoride? nonsense.

most tap water halogens are trace quantities, well below equimolar amounts required to react (and an acidic/basic solution would be required) with the active compounds.

 

[Droopy]

most tap water halogens are trace quantities, well below equimolar amounts required to react (and an acidic/basic solution would be required) with the active compounds.

So using tap water will have no effect on my brews potency?

I've just read contradicting threads of folks saying not to use tap water that it will destroy some or potentially all dmt alkaloids and read other threads saying it is fine to use tap water.

 

[Poads]

Tap water will be okay to use. Many people (myself included) are concerned about stuff like fluoride in water. I try to avoid drinking tap water for that reason, and I only drink bottled water. But when I need large quantities of water for non-drinking purposes, such as doing an extraction, I usually use tap water.

 

[3rdI]

So using tap water will have no effect on my brews potency?

I've just read contradicting threads of folks saying not to use tap water that it will destroy some or potentially all dmt alkaloids and read other threads saying it is fine to use tap water.

tap water is fine.

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Tap water will not affect your brew. However, I do see your concern with water purity. You can look at the online local water facility data sheets (PDF files) in your area to view which chemicals are being used in your tap water, at which percentages they are at; because y'know, that's your right.

Unless the bottled water being purchased isn't BPA free, then you've got something worse than tap water (both of which contain endocrine disruptors.. tap water in significantly lower quantities).

 

[darklordsson]

If what it is I would be concerned about would be that the extra minerals, chlorine, and fluorite in the water. I have used tap, filtered tap, and distilled water. Out of all three I would say distilled is the best way to go since its just H20, nothing else. The minerals and fluorite from IMO, get in the way of the dmt crystallization which can affect yield and I base this on nothing but common sense. The purer your materials, the cleaner and well measured ratios, Will yield the most. My ACRB was the most yielding after Isom's tech but did it with distilled water. Got some nice shiny shards on the first pull and non freeze precipitation step. IMO distilled water is better.

Hope it helps and works out!
Peace --dls--:thumb_up:

 

[benzyme]

The minerals and fluorite from IMO, get in the way of the dmt crystallization which can affect yield and I base this on nothing but common sense.

common sense doesn't always apply, particularly in this chemistry example: mineral salts are not carried over into the nonpolar phase, so recrystallizing a nonpolar compound has little to do with water purity.


in something like a brew, where no acid-base chemistry is occurring, people may desire distilled water, but that's a matter of preference. tap water won't degrade the actives, nor alter the concentration to any noticeable effect.

 

[darklordsson]

The minerals and fluorite from IMO, get in the way of the dmt crystallization which can affect yield and I base this on nothing but common sense.

common sense doesn't always apply, particularly in this chemistry example: mineral salts are not carried over into the nonpolar phase, so recrystallizing a nonpolar compound has little to do with water purity.


in something like a brew, where no acid-base chemistry is occurring, people may desire distilled water, but that's a matter of preference. tap water won't degrade the actives, nor alter the concentration to any noticeable effect.

For sure, that's what I missed then. If you were doing an A/B ext. then it would be plausible to use distilled but drinking a brew is different, my bad for the misunderstanding.

 

[benzyme]

actually, the opposite may be preferable. distilled drinking water for a brew, tap water for extractions. :thumb_up:
all salts and minerals will stay in the aqueous phase, and uncharged dmt (which will not be bound to said salts/minerals) will
migrate to the nonpolar phase.

 

[darklordsson]

actually, the opposite may be preferable. distilled drinking water for a brew, tap water for extractions. :thumb_up:
all salts and minerals will stay in the aqueous phase, and uncharged dmt (which will not be bound to said salts/minerals) will
migrate to the nonpolar phase.

Huh, so what your saying is that the tap water makes no difference. So everything in the tap stays in the "soup" and does not transfer to the non polar substance?

 

[benzyme]

that's exactly what I'm saying.

the purity of your product depends on how well you clean it with a nonpolar solvent in which it is marginally soluble when warm, and insoluble when cold.

 

[darklordsson]

Thanks for the bit of information, I had no clue. What I would love to do is take some basic chemistry to sharpen my skills with this matter. Maybe biochemistry as well? Its been self taught since forever lol

edit: Which can and cant be good lol

 

[benzyme]

nothing wrong with being an autodidact, as long as you reinforce what you learn so it's imprinted.

 

[darklordsson]

Lol, its been remembered lol thanks for the info again friend! ---dls---:thumb_up:

 

[Droopy]

I wanted to say thank you to all of you for replying. My internet has been down the last two days, so I was unable to thank you sooner.
I had meant to take my first journey this weekend, but I took it as a sign from Ayah, that my internet was down to wait til this weekend and when it is a full moon!

 

[darklordsson]

THAT sounds like a plan, perfect time, place, sounds good. The moon and what it radiates can be very strong during a journey, many mushroom nights with the full moon always were the best ones for me lol.

Best of Luck Friend! Tell us how it went afterwards:thumb_up: ---dls---

 

[Cognitive Heart]

The moon and what it radiates can be very strong during a journey, many mushroom nights with the full moon always were the best ones for me lol.

I can relate. All of the experiences I've had with psilocybe have spontaneously ended up being in the late evening.. closer to midnight actually. It's always been a full moon so I perceive it as some kind of phenomena or relationship. They were all incredible trips.