My brew didn't work. What I did wrong?

[Istubar]

Hi nexians, and happy new year!

It's sad to me to say that my first attempt wasn't good. I think I followed properly the instructions and suggestions of the forum, but seems that not so good.

I used the herbal percolator with 5g of Mimosa and 3g of Syrian Rue seeds, with a ratio of 200ml:1g (1L for Mimosa and 0.6L for S. Rue). I also used some citric acid, 2g with 1L, and 1g with 0.6L of distilled water (pH around 3-4). The water was close to boil when I dropped it into the percolator.

I took the maoi brew, and after 25 minutes I drank the mimosa brew. I didn't feel any sort of effect, only a little bit dizzied, but nothing exaggerated.

Can somebody give me some suggestions? What I did wrong? Maybe should I cook it without THP in the traditional way? (I mean, direct boiling in the pot)

Help please! I really would like to feel the ayahuasca experience

PS: Also happened something really weird. On my first attempt of mimosa's brew, I add one white egg to remove the tannins, but seems that this is completely unnecessary with THP. After filtering it to remove the egg, I started with the reduction, but at the end, instead one liquid it was like some kind of mucus-gelatin absolutely disgusting, also the smell was unpleasant too! (I took a picture of it). What the hell happened? :shock:

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

i will say my first 5 or so aya experiences were all duds, and only the first 2 were brewed improperly.

the dosage was right and the brew was done right but...??

maybe someone can chime in with a reason, but in my experience it seems the only solution is patience


also you can brew multiple doses and drink only as much as you need (be sure to do all your calculations ahead of time).

 

[chocobeastie]

Try ten grams, that is a more regular sort of mimosa amount to use in a brew.

 

[Istubar]

i will say my first 5 or so aya experiences were all duds, and only the first 2 were brewed improperly.

the dosage was right and the brew was done right but...??

maybe someone can chime in with a reason, but in my experience it seems the only solution is patience

also you can brew multiple doses and drink only as much as you need (be sure to do all your calculations ahead of time).

So in your opinion I did it right?

Maybe should I try with higher doses, changing the pH or adding more water...

I suddenly realize that maybe I had a bad food interaction. I was very hungry (haven't ate anything for more than 8h :roll: ) and I drank a ginger tea with some white chocolate and a tiny cereal bar. Not so much I think. Two hours later I took the MAOI brew and two and half the mimosa brew. Could be due this or it would be strange?

By the way, nice song!

 

[olympus mon]

I strongly disagree with uping your mimosa dose!

Scrap the HP. Brew 3, 3 hour boils, have extra on hand but find your proper MAOI threshold...then adjust Mimosa.

10g mimosa is a real lot of dmt with proper MAOI. The doses for maoi can vary by more than double. I like 120g caapi while others 50g is way too much. Everybody is different so figure that out before dumping piles of dmt into the mix.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I drank a ginger tea with some white chocolate and a tiny cereal bar. Not so much I think. Two hours later I took the MAOI brew and two and half the mimosa brew. Could be due this or it would be strange?

i highly doubt this is the cause.

you can try a traditional boil, but many prefer a perc, so it probably isn't that either (though it could be a possibility).

 

[chocobeastie]

15-20 grams of Mimosa of Mimosa rated at over 1% is pretty regular for folks I know.

 

[jamie]

Try ten grams, that is a more regular sort of mimosa amount to use in a brew.

No it is not.. You likely have weak mimosa if you need 15-20g I would think..or you are not getting full inhibition. I have drunk with many people and even the hardheads all get off decently at 6-7g in my experience as long as they are fully inhibited. Never seen anyone who required more than that.

Most people do NOT need nor drink 10g of mimosa in a sitting..therefor this is not a more regular sort of mimosa ammount. It's only the rare person on the internet I see who claims to need that much..

 

[chocobeastie]

Well I've talked to oldschool amsterdam people from the mid 90's, they always used 10-15 grams of Mimosa!

Works well for me and most folks I know too for strong journeys!

 

[Istubar]

Maybe it could be due to the MAOI tea? It didn't work and I didn't feel any effect. With that it's normal that the mimosa tea doesn't work too if there is not a proper inhibition.

Which are the effects of a S. rue tea?

 

[Michal_R]

...The water was close to boil when I dropped it into the percolator...

I am not an expert in this area, but my personal experience is that I allways BOIL ground Syrian Rue for 20 minutes, three times, and it works perfectly... (I don´t know how´s that with Mimosa, however...)

I personally wouldn´t recommend upping your dose of DMT before you make sure that you have worked with MAOIs properly....

 

[The Traveler]

10g mimosa is a real lot of dmt with proper MAOI. The doses for maoi can vary by more than double. I like 120g caapi while others 50g is way too much. Everybody is different so figure that out before dumping piles of dmt into the mix.

or you are not getting full inhibition. I have drunk with many people and even the hardheads all get off decently at 6-7g in my experience as long as they are fully inhibited. Never seen anyone who required more than that.

I think that olympus mon and jamie are onto something here. Without a proper MAO inhibition you will need a higher dose of DMT to get any effects.

So first get your MOAI settled correctly before upping the DMT, boiling the rue like Michal_R advices sounds like a good idea to me.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[olympus mon]

Honestly with the description of your egg tannin attampt it sounds like you didt use the hp correctly.

If you had all the haramalas and alkaloids in that tea that egg should come out like a piece of plastic.

What color was the tea before you reduced?

 

[jamie]

Well I've talked to oldschool amsterdam people from the mid 90's, they always used 10-15 grams of Mimosa!

Works well for me and most folks I know too for strong journeys!

People were not getting pure inner rootbark in the mid 90's. It was all just shredded inner and outer bark mixed up. All the old numbers for mimosa from the 90's at places like erowid and deoxy do not seem to match those of the powdered inner root bark that is around today.

Also, many people here have commented in the past you cant judge mimosa by how much pure DMT you need. I have spoken with a couple people now who all claim that even when they might need 150mg of white spice they dont need that much when using whole mimosa root. Maybe its other alkaloids.

Most inner bark arond today is over 1% in my experience..more like 1.5% and sometimes even higher.

 

[Istubar]

Honestly with the description of your egg tannin attampt it sounds like you didt use the hp correctly.

But I did! :surprised I followed the instructions carefully (I can make a picture to show you if you want)

If you had all the haramalas and alkaloids in that tea that egg should come out like a piece of plastic.

I only put the white egg in the mimosa tea, not in the harmalas tea (and both were separated, not mixed). And yes, that is what I thought! But you can see here the result of how it seemed when the tea was reduced. Weird and disgusting (and you cannot smell it, but wow, really bad).

Maybe the wrong thing was adding the egg when the brew was not boiling so like stirling. Or maybe due to THP does a cleaner extraction is not necessary to do this, but I'm not sure.

What color was the tea before you reduced?

(Both reduced) Harmalas tea hard yellow, close to the urine colour. Mimosas tea dark brown with a little tone of dark red/orange.

So first get your MOAI settled correctly before upping the DMT, boiling the rue like Michal_R advices sounds like a good idea to me.

Right now I will try a second attempt but this time boiling the harmalas instead of using THP to prepare the MAOI tea. I will share the results of the experiment.

 

[Istubar]

In this second attempt the boiled harmalas tea has a different colour. From yellow to a mix between brown and dark orange (like a common darjeeling or earl gray tea). By the way, I've felt a little bit dizzied when I was boiling them. Maybe the steam has some effects too! Hope this time works.

 

[The Traveler]

In this second attempt the boiled harmalas tea has a different colour. From yellow to a mix between brown and dark orange (like a common darjeeling or earl gray tea). By the way, I've felt a little bit dizzied when I was boiling them. Maybe the steam has some effects too! Hope this time works.

That brown/orange color is the right one. And since you now know the taste of the brew you will probably get feelings with even smelling it. I for one have a hard time smelling rue without having a gag reflex.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Istubar]

I've drunk the harmalas tea 10 minutes ago and wating for the mimosas tea (also for some effect!). This time it was a really bitter and distasteful flavour.

 

[3rdI]

Happy travels Istubar:thumb_up:

 

[Istubar]

I hope so, and thank you

But I didn't feel anything with the S. rue tea (which are the effects and how much do I need to wait until I am able to feel them?). I've drunk 5 minutes ago the mimosa tea, same questions as harmalas. How many minutes will it take until the first effects appear?

Cheers!