My brew didn't work. What I did wrong?

[chocobeastie]

Also, many people here have commented in the past you cant judge mimosa by how much pure DMT you need. I have spoken with a couple people now who all claim that even when they might need 150mg of white spice they dont need that much when using whole mimosa root. Maybe its other alkaloids.

Something is lost when you extract the DMT, I learnt this the hard way. :surprised

I suspect it is to do with the solvents that are used, and just the general chemical interactions and also when you make a tea, you are maintaing a holographic imprint of the plant - seems to help! Also crytal DMT is normally not as colourful or full or bright!

Most inner bark arond today is over 1% in my experience..more like 1.5% and sometimes even higher.

Sure. I'm talking about using 100-150g of strong vine and 10-25 grams of mimosa that has been tested at around 1%. I'm just saying this is normal for folks I know. Not that it is better to do large amount, there are some real hard heads around the place!

I myself prefer going hard on the vine and less so on the DMT containing plant. People these days push it too hard a lot of the time, and so in a sense I can appreciate a low dosage of DMT, which for me is 70-100mg.

 

[chocobeastie]

Istubar,

Sounds like you are making this a bit complex than it need to be! That is the most common mistake people make. I recommend Apple Cidar Vinegar, you don't need much. a few tablespoons will do the trick!

Also, 5 grams of Syrian Rue is not going to hurt you. I would go 5 grams of Rue, yes, before upping the Mimosa.

 

[Istubar]

This second time it has worked! Not so much, but at least worked.

For the mimosa, same as before. Using THP with 200ml for each 1g of pH 3-4 acidified water (1L total). For the syrian rue, 3 boilings of 200ml each, and after that mixing all of them and reduce (while I was boiling the harmalas I've had some headache, dizziness and my nose was a little bit irritated, weird for me, but is this normal?).

00:05 I drank the maoi tea. No effects experienced.
00:35 I drank the mimosa tea.
00:45 First effects appeared. I started laughing like an idiot, so I decided to lie down
03:38 End of the psychological experience (more or less 2:45h), but I still suffering dizziness, fatigue, weakness, stomach pain and confusion, really unpleasant. Until 05:00 I had them, time in which I decided to go to sleep and wait for a new day.

Compared to the vaped DMT, a lot of differences!

I didn't see any entity (so like any communication with them), I didn't see too any kind of geometric pattern, and the quality of my visions was not so bright and clear. On the contrary they were dark and blurred, like the dreams or the visions that salvia produces. It could be more my mind than the ayahuasca, not so sure, but at least I thought and saw bizarre things which normally I don't think in, so like flashbacks of the past of my life. I describe the visions a little bit darker and sinister, but not scary. I have some kind of feeling of being out of my body and at the same time, feeling it (dissociative?), so like a little bit of hypothermia. In every moment I was full conscious about where I was and what was happening.

After the experience, despitefeeling sick for a while, sensation of peace and mental equilibrium.

In summary, if this is ayahuasca, I'm a little bit disappointed (specially compared to vaped DMT). So I think that probably I knocked at the heaven doors... but sadly I still staying outside. I think that this could be so much stronger than that. Maybe I need to try with another more efficient recipes or dosages. Could be that 3.3g of harmalas and 5g of mimosa it's not enough or it waste some material during the process.

What do you think about the experience? All of this is normal?

 

[Istubar]

Istubar,

Sounds like you are making this a bit complex than it need to be! That is the most common mistake people make. I recommend Apple Cidar Vinegar, you don't need much. a few tablespoons will do the trick!

Also, 5 grams of Syrian Rue is not going to hurt you. I would go 5 grams of Rue, yes, before upping the Mimosa.

Probably, that is one of my defects Which recipe do you recommed for preparing mimosa and harmalas? And for b. caapi and p. viridis? I have citric acid, the only acid I can find on the food stores here.

I'm not sure of that, I could be wrong, but I think that the sickness feeling was caused by the harmalas. I tried to puke once I started feeling bad (around 1:30h or 2h of my total 2:45 experience) but I couldn't. Also putting my fingers on my throat didn't work (I never puked in my whole life! I'm bad built!). Maybe it is necessary to puke to feel good, but if I'm not able to do I'm a little bit reticent of increasing the harmalas dose. They are like a toxic thing for me

 

[The Traveler]

Congratulations on your working attempt!

Next time I would advice to drink both teas at the same time. Also as chocobeastie suggested, you might up the amount of rue a bit if you like to be certain you have MOA inhibition.

After that you might also try with extracted DMT and harmalas since for many that is a lesser load on the body (though not for all).


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[chocobeastie]

This is a normal, light experience.

5 g of Mimosa is a pretty small amount to my mind (except if it was REALLY strong!) Try doing 7.5 or 10 g next time. If it worked for you, no need to change your recipe, and you find harmalas are not good for you.

But you could up it slightly to 4g or just go 5, it is not that different at five and you will find as you keep doing taking harmala, your body will acclimitise to it.

 

[Istubar]

Congratulations on your working attempt!

Next time I would advice to drink both teas at the same time. Also as chocobeastie suggested, you might up the amount of rue a bit if you like to be certain you have MOA inhibition.

After that you might also try with extracted DMT and harmalas since for many that is a lesser load on the body (though not for all).

Kind regards,

The Traveler

Really? Why? I find this quite funny because I've read a lot about doing it separated for more efficient absorption. Does it works better for you?

Sadly I don't have more extracted DMT to try it, and I'm not able to produce more...

This is a normal, light experience.

5 g of Mimosa is a pretty small amount to my mind (except if it was REALLY strong!) Try doing 7.5 or 10 g next time. If it worked for you, no need to change your recipe, and you find harmalas are not good for you.

But you could up it slightly to 4g or just go 5, it is not that different at five and you will find as you keep doing taking harmala, your body will acclimitise to it.

Hum, then I will try with 5g - 7,5g.

To avoid the headache and the dizziness, any suggestions to cook the harmalas in a different way? I've read that it could be as easy as adding a small amount of hot water in a tea cup and letting them rest for a couple of hours. No reduction and no other washes needed (but no idea about the efficiency).

And finally, it is normal to feel sick after it for a few hours?

 

[Istubar]

So, this is the collected information about my experiments:

1st take, no effects

preparation: Herbal percolator for harmalas (0.6L for 3.3g) and mimosa (1L for 5g), then reduced with medium heat to desired volume (about 1.30h). Both with distilled water at ph 3-4. Water temperature under boiling point.
take: Hamalas tea first, and after 25 minutes the mimosas tea.

2nd take, some effects, but not a true ayahuasca experience

preparation: Same dosage. THP for mimosa (same as before, but with water temperature at boiling point), and harmalas 3 boilings of 200ml (15 minutes each), then putting all of them together and reduced to desired volume. (Note: While boiling the harmalas, irritated nose, sneezing, headache and dizziness. Maybe it's not a good idea to that!)
take: Hamalas tea first, and after 30 minutes the mimosas tea.

3rd take, no effects

preparation: Same dosage. Cold water extraction (ph 3-4, water temperature before placing the bottles in the fride ~15ºC). 125ml for harmalas and 125ml for mimosa, both placed (of course separated) in airtight bottles, which were often shaken during during a period of 24-30h repose in the fridge, then filtered, material discarted and liquid collected. (Note: This was the most disgusting flavour of the three preparations, really hard to drink)
take: Hamalas tea first, and after 25 minutes the mimosas tea.

I think I didn't get a proper inhibition of mao, maybe should I try with 4 or 5g of boiled harmalas and also a higher dose of mimosa (I also should try boiling it, but I've heard that heat makes to lose potency due to it destroys some DMT, but I'm not sure of that).

Any recipes suggestions please? I don't know why something that seemed to be easy to do its in fact so hard!

Best regards!

 

[The Traveler]

Here are a few answers/tips:

Boiling MHRB will not destroy the DMT in it, the DMT in MHRB is in a salt form that can withstand the boiling heat with ease. So I would advice to drink a boiled tea from the MHRB as well as a boiled tea from the rue.

Next time, drink the rue tea and the MHRB tea at the same time. I have been frantically searching my notes from several science conferences and I can remember something about harmalas starting to work within 5 minutes after ingestion while DMT takes longer. So according to that, taking the DMT later than the harmalas is just a waste of time and not needed at all.

Try at least 3g of rue and 5g of MHRB to make the tea. Use plenty of water to boil both, then filter out the solids and then reduce the remaining liquid to a single gulp.

May you have a nice journey.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[Istubar]

I've read another suggestion (what do you think about it?):

Using as less water as possible (acidified, 25ml for each gram). Boil a couple of times, then collect and put both teas together (including the rests of mimosa), and let it rest in the fridge for two to three days. After that, filter and reduce to the desired volume.

Next time, drink the rue tea and the MHRB tea at the same time. I have been frantically searching my notes from several science conferences and I can remember something about harmalas starting to work within 5 minutes after ingestion while DMT takes longer. So according to that, taking the DMT later than the harmalas is just a waste of time and not needed at all.

I will try that! But it works the same with B. caapi - chacruna? Or with them should I definitively wait half an hour?

Regards!

Edit: Also I read about adding milk to remove tannins. Works it good or it reduces the effects? Do I need to filter after adding the milk or not? How much should I add?

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

I will try that! But it works the same with B. caapi - chacruna? Or with them should I definitively wait half an hour?

its still harmalas inhibiting your MAO to render DMT orally active.

no reason the process should change.


also i never heard that before trav. if you do end up finding it that would be cool to check out.

 

[olympus mon]

I've read another suggestion (what do you think about it?):

Using as less water as possible (acidified, 25ml for each gram).

This is just plain incorrect anyway I can think of. The water will saturate eventually and not hold more alkaloids which is why 3 separate washed are advised. If you reduce the water of the boils your only going to saturate the H20 that much quicker leaving more alkaloids behind. Use as much water as your pot can hold. takes a while to reduce but ya get every last drop out the vine.

Any chance you misread this and it was referring to reduction? Yes drinking reduced tea is faster absorbing and therefore can hit much harder than say drinking 16 fl oz of tea and it having to digest it all.

 

[olympus mon]

I've read another suggestion (what do you think about it?):

Using as less water as possible (acidified, 25ml for each gram).

This is just plain incorrect anyway I can think of. The water will saturate eventually and not hold more alkaloids which is why 3 separate washed are advised. If you reduce the water of the boils your only going to saturate the H20 that much quicker leaving more alkaloids behind. Use as much water as your pot can hold. takes a while to reduce but ya get every last drop out the vine.

Any chance you misread this and it was referring to reduction? Yes drinking reduced tea is faster absorbing and therefore can hit much harder than say drinking 16 fl oz of tea and it having to digest it all.

 

[Istubar]

I've read another suggestion (what do you think about it?):

Using as less water as possible (acidified, 25ml for each gram).

This is just plain incorrect anyway I can think of. The water will saturate eventually and not hold more alkaloids which is why 3 separate washed are advised. If you reduce the water of the boils your only going to saturate the H20 that much quicker leaving more alkaloids behind. Use as much water as your pot can hold. takes a while to reduce but ya get every last drop out the vine.

Any chance you misread this and it was referring to reduction? Yes drinking reduced tea is faster absorbing and therefore can hit much harder than say drinking 16 fl oz of tea and it having to digest it all.

No, this was not a misunderstood neither misread. Some people suggested me that in another forums. I find this between funny and confusing, how the information could vary a lot from one font to another!

With this recipe you have to reduce too, but not so much (with 25-30ml per gram and 3 boilings that is between 0.375L and 0.45L for 5g). And its supposed to be that during the boiling you are using low-mid fire, so you won't reducing while your boiling (or not so much). Combined with few days inside the fridge, it would be like a combo of CWE and traditional method (but with less water and less hours).

Anyway you don't like this recipe?

 

[olympus mon]

I apologize i thought you were working with Caapi vine it appears your using Rue. I still dont see how less water would be better but I could be wrong I dont use rue other than making harmalas for changa. Perhaps there are such less different alkaloids and tannins in rue that over saturation doesn't occur the same as with vine.

Ask a chemist here about the water thing if you want another opinion.

 

[Istubar]

Not yet! Before trying with the true ayahuasca (b. caapi and chacruna), I would like to get some experience with anahuasca (rue and mimosa). I think that the recipe of true ayahuasca will be for sure a little bit different. How do you cook it?

Regards.

 

[olympus mon]

Not yet! Before trying with the true ayahuasca (b. caapi and chacruna), I would like to get some experience with anahuasca (rue and mimosa). I think that the recipe of true ayahuasca will be for sure a little bit different. How do you cook it?

Regards.

Its pretty much the same thing effects wise. Some would argue they feel a deeper connection and more loving energy from cappi than Rue but its quite a personal feeling and not verifyable.

Ive never used rue so I cant say but I can say I have felt the loving embrace of the haramals many times when drinking ayahausca. I couldn't say if I was feeling this love from harmalas, or from Caapi specifically.

Brewing aya is simple. just read the all about aya section and dont overthink it.

 

[ObsidianKnife]

.. the quality of my visions was not so bright and clear. On the contrary they were dark and blurred, like the dreams or the visions that salvia produces.

My experience of the Salvia visions are extremely clear, with red outlines.