My super potent changa recipe works for hyperspace

[moyshekapoyre]

Hey there nexus, well I remember a while back I was wondering why I couldn't really blast off into true hyperspace just by smoking changa. I realized it was because I had far too little harmalas in my changa. I just made a large batch with more harmalas, and last night I tried smoking some--actually I think I had to smoke a lot of it due to having smoked it so much over the preceding days to test various ratios of stuff...

Suffice it to say that after smoking 2 bowls (a normal person would need far less, i think, especially if changa were powdered), I got to a place where my soul felt it was about to LAUNCH into hyperspace, and I was ASKED: "ARE YOU READY TO LAUNCH???" Unfortunately, because of my previous OD experiences, I was a bit scared, and plus the body load was so intense--and plus I didn't have a sitter, so I decided I was NOT ready to launch, at which point it slowly let me down.

RECIPE:

25g Mullein leaf
15g harmalas (I got this from extracting 500g of white caapi with IPA for one month in a hot attic)
40g of jungle DMT (I get this via d-limonene and FASW with an STB)

So basically, it's 50/50 changa except double the harmalas that most would normally use.

Someone recently reported that they tried to do something like this and it wasn't worth it because they couldn't burn up all those harmalas for some reason--well, I have no problem burning them up. Maybe because I use a medium-large (like 8inch tall) water bong, and a butane torch.

Btw, if you grind up the resulting changa so that it's a powder rather than a clumpy mess, it will burn far faster, which means you can probably use a lot less of it to get the desired results quicker. But it will also be very easy to OD this way if you load up the cone too much.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Imo, this is significantly more potent than 1:1. I don't count harmalas in the ratio (I also don't add fb harmalas to the entire batch) and my understanding is that the RIMAs in the leaves used (caapi, etc) is enough for there to be considerable changes to the traditional vaped DMT experience.

Afaik, ratios for changa are dmt:leaf and generally don't factor in the addition of freebase harmalas (especially not on such a large scale). To me, your ratio is 2.666:1 dmt:leaf with a bunch of potentiating harmalas added on top of that :shock:

This sounds like a frighteningly potent blend and the addition of harmalas in such a high volume would scare me away. The most intense/roughest DMT experiences I have ever had came from vaped harmalas and DMT with significantly less harmalas ratio-wise than presented here.

I'm not trying to insult your blend, just commenting that this could be way too much for some. Also, if you don't mind my asking...what's the point of making 40g of insanely potent changa?

 

[jamie]

I dont know where you get the idea that this is 50/50? 40g spice to 25g leaf is not 50/50.

I have made blends like yours though, and they are always very very sticky..but they work.

 

[MySmelf]

I recently made a super strong caapi changa. I soaked 20g caapi leaf in 99% lab grade ethanol 2x for 2 weeks each and evaporated it on 1g chaliponga leaf then added 1g DMT.

The Harmalas are way too strong. 1 bowl of this and I'm sick drunk on harmalas. I prefer to smoke half as much and then hit some freebase in the GVG.

 

[soulfood]

This contradicts my own experiences.

I find the more harmaloids are included in my mix, the less hyperspacey the journey becomes in character and accordingly, breaking through is near impossible.

1:1 good caapi leaf changa seems to get me there nicely with just the right amount of aya soul.

 

[d*l*b]

Interesting! I have also noticed much to my surprise that with harmala-heavy concoctions I have created I have had issues with breaking through at times, which had always really confused me!

 

[bongz]

the ratios i've heard of people using are 1:.25:.75 (spice:harmalalant)

my math is terrible but i think this recipe works out to 1:.4:.6

you all may think his formula is whack by actually think it sounds great and that added bit of harmalas would definitely make for a visionary experience.

 

[MySmelf]

This contradicts my own experiences.

I find the more harmaloids are included in my mix, the less hyperspacey the journey becomes in character and accordingly, breaking through is near impossible.

1:1 good caapi leaf changa seems to get me there nicely with just the right amount of aya soul.

yeah, same for me. I haven't been able to breakthrough on my 20x caapi changa without hitting a good dose of pure spice after.

 

[Dorge]

That's potent... Swim makes all of his potent and they always end uP sticky. Changa like ayahuaca has a mind of it's own though... The more you work with her you realize you can add as much as this or that as you like but she has different ideas. And things are going to urn out the way she willsmit... Which is why they say walk behind the medicine. Some of the strongest changa swims ever had was a 1:1 ratio of spice and non-10x caapi leaf, just straight caapi leaf, sitting in the desert looking at the sky...

 

[moyshekapoyre]

I think maybe because this is the "DMT" nexus, people here tend to need less harmalas than maybe the type of people who are at ayahuasca.com (those people discourage smoking tho) or no web site at all. Personally, DMT could never get me to blast off to hyperspace without quite a lot of harmalas. Well, maybe if I injected it, but even then I'm not so sure it would be hyperspace so much as some weird alien dimension which is what it seemed that Strassman's volunteers were talking about... woah I gotta check out his new book... Inner Paths to Outer Space... omg, did you know Strassman invites people to call him and talk to him about their psychedelic experiences? And his website says that you can get DMT from him! I'm sure that's a typo... check the bottom of this page: Rick Strassman MD - Rick Strassman MD

 

[soulfood]

I'm more one to just eat a lot of harmalas and smoke maybe 40mg DMT over the course of 2 hours as I get more substance out of the journey this way. Insight/therapy etc...

Also I believe that "weird alien dimension" is probably what most people would agree constitutes a breakthrough.

Inner paths is an interesting read for sure. Strassman makes sex lines look reasonably priced

 

[moyshekapoyre]

I guess it's true that hyperspace is a weird alien dimension, but there are many types of weird alien dimensions. When I read people on here talking about "elves" that "play tricks" on them.... I think, wow, that is weird. The hyperspace I go to has no elves playing tricks, just celestial, enlightened entities, of which I am one, though yet a baby. Not only are they alien, but so am I, which is what they keep drilling into my head. And in fact the weirdness of it is balanced by a sense that the only truly weird thing is the Earth plane, and that I am now "home" in the womb of creation which I/we decided was an important self-therapy project for our God mind.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I think maybe because this is the "DMT" nexus, people here tend to need less harmalas than maybe the type of people who are at ayahuasca.com (those people discourage smoking tho) or no web site at all.

This seems odd to me...suffice it to say that I disagree.

Personally, DMT could never get me to blast off to hyperspace without quite a lot of harmalas. Well, maybe if I injected it, but even then I'm not so sure it would be hyperspace so much as some weird alien dimension which is what it seemed that Strassman's volunteers were talking about

I'd say this probably has more to do with your method of administration/vaporizing technique, but that's just my thought.

 

[moyshekapoyre]

Snozzleberry: I'm pretty sure it's not my vaporizing technique. I have done a lot of experimentation. If I smoke enough DMT, my mind becomes jelly and I'm definitely somewhere else, but it's not hyperspace, only some crude resemblance. Nothing spiritual about it, really. Just weird.

One of my experiments was injecting it. I didn't inject enough of it, but it definitely felt more likely to induce some kind of blast off.

 

[jamie]

I think maybe because this is the "DMT" nexus, people here tend to need less harmalas than maybe the type of people who are at ayahuasca.com (those people discourage smoking tho) or no web site at all.

That really does not make much sense to me..how can the website someone reads/participates in more often make DMT more hyperspacy(or not) with or without harmalas?

"woah I gotta check out his new book... Inner Paths to Outer Space... omg, did you know Strassman invites people to call him and talk to him about their psychedelic experiences? And his website says that you can get DMT from him! I'm sure that's a typo... check the bottom of this page: "

That book is alright..nothing really new or overly facinating though in my opinion. Parts of it I just sort of skipped past becasue they were boring...and yeah, you can talk to Strassman for sure, if you have enough $$ for that. I dunno why anyone would want to pay money to talk to the guy about DMT experiences though. I guess I just dont understand what the point of that would be? Do you think he has more experience than most of the people here? I respect Strassman for the work he did with DMT in the spirit molecule..but I just do not get the whole charging money to talk about your trips with him.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Snozzleberry: I'm pretty sure it's not my vaporizing technique. I have done a lot of experimentation. If I smoke enough DMT, my mind becomes jelly and I'm definitely somewhere else, but it's not hyperspace, only some crude resemblance. Nothing spiritual about it, really. Just weird.

I dunno...whenever I hear someone saying that DMT alone isn't enough to access hyperspace, it generally ends up being their method of administration. Obviously I'm not you so I won't say you're wrong...but I have a hard time believing that you can only access hyperspace when using harmalas, as this indicated DMT does take you there when your MAO is inhibited...meaning when its not inhibited there's something in your technique preventing you from reaching hyperspace. Just my thoughts.

 

[moyshekapoyre]

Snozzleberry... have you actually done ayahuasca? I really can't believe that you are saying it feels the same as smoking DMT...

Harmalas do much more than inhibit MAO! Have you ever used moclobemide instead of harmalas? If so you will understand what I mean.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

You didn't say it "wasn't the same" (well you did, but more than that) you said "If I smoke enough DMT, my mind becomes jelly and I'm definitely somewhere else, but it's not hyperspace, only some crude resemblance. Nothing spiritual about it, really. Just weird."

So by your own words, you said that DMT alone is not enough to get you into hyperspace. I've been to hyperspace via ayahuasca, pharmahuasca and vaporized DMT (having had full on breakthroughs with vaped and pharma and being immersed in aya but not breaking through). Hyperspace is hyperspace...yea, harmalas change the quality of the experience in a variety of ways, but I would never say that on a smoked DMT breakthrough without harmalas I "wasn't in hyperspace"...such a statement would run contrary to my experience.

Also, I find pure, vaped DMT to be immensely spiritual on its own. At no point did I say smoking DMT feels the same as drinking ayahuasca. I'm well aware harmalas are psychoactive in their own right. I take high dose oral harmalas by themselves with some regularity. None of these were the issues to which I was responding which was:

You said you can reach hyperspace via DMT + RIMA, but not with DMT alone. This, to me, initially indicated that there is something wrong with your technique, but upon further discussion, it appears to be more your own personal semantics applied to the experience where use of RIMA+DMT = hyperspace so DMT alone is inherently lacking a quality you ascribe to hyperspace.

You say "DMT could never get me to blast off to hyperspace without quite a lot of harmalas" which also runs counter to my experiences. Have you ever had a breakthrough without harmalas? Was that not hyperspace? Have you ever been at a sub-breakthrough dose but still rather immersed in hyperspacial "stuff"? The statement that DMT can't take you to hyperspace by itself simply does not align with my experiences.

 

[moyshekapoyre]

I have had had some semblance of hyperspace from smoking dmt, but only when I close my eyes. Like it is reminiscent of it, but it's not it. It's like I'm seeing it thru a window or something instead of really being there.

When I did moclobemide pharmahuasca, it was far more powerful than harmalas, and I was definitely in what you would probably term hyperspace--I could see the entire universe and felt like i understood everything. But the infinite love was lacking or distant. And there was no afterglow. I would not really call it hyperspace, because it is not somewhere that I would want anyone to go to... and I want everyone to go to hyperspace.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

But the infinite love was lacking or distant. And there was no afterglow. I would not really call it hyperspace, because it is not somewhere that I would want anyone to go to... and I want everyone to go to hyperspace.

Ime, hyperspace isn't always loving, afterglows - while usually consistent - vary from experience to experience and hyperspace is what it is, not what I want it to be. If I have a rough or dark experience I don't say it wasn't hyperspace just because I didn't necessarily want to be there/enjoy it. Imo, that would be like saying, "I love cars. I think everyone should drive cars. Because of this, when my friend got run over when crossing the street, it wasn't by a car but by something different."