Napatha and toluene mix for further extraction?

[TardedMyc]

While doing my first extraction, following cybs salt tek, I have the thinnest layer of napatha left after siphoning off as much as I personally can. My question is can I add toulene to this to further pull any left over dmt and get some jungle spice?
Is toulene and napatha safe/compatible to mix or will I have competing solvents?

 

[_Trip_]

I've used Xylene (similar to toulene) as a last pull solvent after using naphtha. I don't believe it freeze precipitates like naphtha. And I have never seen it react. (Someone may correct me there). However keep in mind it will pull more alkaloids than naphtha (hence jungle spice as you have mentioned) and there will still be a thin layer of solvent if you are just siphoning off with a baster or pipette.

And ime it usually does pull a bit more left over spice that the naphtha misses.


If you do use toulene and separate and evaporate for jungle spice you can use clean naphtha to clean it and pick up the dmt leaving behind the other alks then freeze precipitate again for a cleaner product.

If you can't get a separator funnel due to watch lists etc, you can also make a separator funnel with a wine bottle and a mini clear inline tap connected with a clear piece of rubber hose from the local hardware store. It's crude but works. Then you wont have to worry about siphoning with a pipette.

 

[TardedMyc]

Awesome sauce, thank you trip I appreciate the reply! More washes with toulene coming up! Well as soon as it arrives! I'll be replying back with the napatha pulls amount after the freezer treatment.

 

[_Trip_]

Good luck.

Obviously anything extra from the toulene will vary depending on quality of materials and your process etc. But good luck and hopefully it pulls a bit more.

Never hurts to get a second opinion.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

The second opinion is also yes - this is pretty much a standard way of pulling whatever's left in the base soup as a kind of 'jungle spice' product. Naphtha and toluene are both hydrocarbon solvents and intrinsically compatible. The only difference adding toluene to the the mixture will make is that DMT does not freeze precipitate from toluene; even 5% of toluene in naphtha will prevent freeze precipitation of DMT because its solubility is so much higher in that solvent.

Recover your alkaloids by back-extracting into a little vinegar water and repeating the base/NPS process on a smaller scale. Evaporation is a waste of solvent and environmentally questionable, especially in the case of toluene.

 

[TardedMyc]

Thank you downwardfromzero I'll have to look up the vinegar tek you mentioned. In the meantime here is from the first run of 3 year old 200g mhrb using cybs salt tek in a high heat crockpot bath the whole extraction.
After freeze precipitating for 12hrs the left over nap is still the color of mtn dew so I tossed I back into the dish for another round.
First run approx 4g of waxy orange and yellow before re-ex. Paper was 1.8g minus.1 for left overs on tools.

 

[TardedMyc]

For a first Time extraction I'm pleased. Using old bark I expected a diminished return. But it looks to be right on par with the tek approx 1g per 50g of bark. Now to re-ex and get whatever is left in the nap after another round of freezer treatment.

I do have questions about the leftover napatha.

Does the napatha go clear once everything is freeze precipitated out or is it just stained from now on and good to use for further pulls?

Is it possible that it was so saturated that it needed longer to freeze out and will another 12 hr run even precip anything else out?

Again it's still mtn dew colored after a solid 12 hrs undisturbed freeze precip round. For the time I was doing the pulls and consolidating into the freezer dish it was in and out of the freezer 5 times in 5 hours before the 12 hr undisturbed for a total of 17 hours.

 

[TardedMyc]

3gs after re-ex with a little bit still freezing back out.
I made it to the halls and met Mrs. Rabbit.

 

[_Trip_]

24-48 hours in the freezer may give you better results, potentially.

You can reuse the 'dirty' naphtha several times. I believe you can clean your solvent with activated charcoal or a good old acid wash. But admittedly I have not done this before.



Looks like an awesome result anyway.

 

[TardedMyc]

Thank you trip I appreciate it. Been waiting to extract since 2017 the time was finally right :d The last bit is in the freezer now I'll leave it there for a good 48. I'll have to look into washing the nap for sure.

 

[TardedMyc]

The second opinion is also yes - this is pretty much a standard way of pulling whatever's left in the base soup as a kind of 'jungle spice' product. Naphtha and toluene are both hydrocarbon solvents and intrinsically compatible. The only difference adding toluene to the the mixture will make is that DMT does not freeze precipitate from toluene; even 5% of toluene in naphtha will prevent freeze precipitation of DMT because its solubility is so much higher in that solvent.

Recover your alkaloids by back-extracting into a little vinegar water and repeating the base/NPS process on a smaller scale. Evaporation is a waste of solvent and environmentally questionable, especially in the case of toluene.

Hey downwardfromzero is there a tek for the back extraction for toulene with amounts to work with, time, ect?
I have a basic idea but I'd rather have some numbers and an outline to work with.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Have a browse of the forum, the information is definitely in there somewhere.

Figures for volumes of vinegar, etc. should respond to a mild attack with basic arithmetic armed with a small pinch of simple chemistry.

Keywords: volumetric, percentage concentration, neutralization equivalent, molecular weight


I vaguely recall something about DMT acetate possibly being soluble in toluene to some extent but the conclusion from that discussion escapes me for the moment.

Sorry I can't be more helpful right now - I drank some fermented stinging nettle and ground elder juice earlier and it's brought my mind to something of a halt! Ground elder (Aegopodium podagraria) appears to have cannabinoid properties.

 

[TardedMyc]

I'll have to dig more. I did some searching but definitely not those keywords.
Your experiment sounds interesting. It's always fun to stop the mind sometimes.

 

[TardedMyc]

Decided to go with evap this time.
2.5g jungle spice started yellow collected to this dark red brown.