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Why couldn't enlightened people just join the Native American Church to enjoy growing, harvesting, and partaking in entheogens?

You do not have to be of Native American descent, and even ayahuasca is listed.

I am thinking of joining, there is a one-time $200 donation fee involved, but it would be worth it, if what they say is correct.

Here are the Oklevueha Native American Church Member Legal Rights:



Anyone else know better than me about this, or have some advice on the truth of this matter? Can one truly partake freely without conviction?

Thanks
 
The Oklevueha Native American Church is concidered by many within the Native American Church to be not legit it seems..it's pretty controverisal but I have both heard from other church members and read on various sites that that guy is a fraud or something, and also that they are not really legal and that affiliation cant protect you....although I have also read NAC members saying the same things about Peyote Way and saying they are some rogue offshoot that does not respect the medicine etc..

Anyway yeah..I dont know what to think about James Mooney and the Oklevueha NAC..There is so many rumors and haters out in the world you never know what to really believe.
 
Ayahuasca too? Hmmmm....

"Subsequent court rulings up to and including the US Supreme Court have verified and solidified the Native American Church’s right to conduct these ceremonies and use plants and herbs not available to the general public for healing and empowerment. These natural substances (such as peyote, cannabis and ayahuasca)..."
 
U.S. vs Boyll peyote case

Erowid Religious Freedom Vault : U.S. vs Boyll

The full text of the decision of the United States District Court in U.S. vs Boyll...a case of the religious use of peyote.
www.erowid.org


I know that some branches of the actual NAC will accept non-native members but I think those branches are mainly in the few states where non-denominational peyote use is protected by law.

The thing to do is look up the phone number for your local NAC and ask them personally because the real NAC does not have a fancy web site or anything.
 
I heard this joke in a sweat once, and I think it applies to the discussion of the various offshoots of the NAC.
-How many medicine men does it take to screw in a light bulb?
100. One to screw it in, and 99 to wag their finger and say "We don't do it that way..."

That said, there is no legal way for a white American to take entheogens in the United States outside of an exceedingly-rare clinical trial or something approved by the relevant agencies.
 
There is a native american church here in Boulder Colorado that uses peyote as a sacrement and alows non indians to join...
They are located in the foothills of the rocky mountains above Boulder...
I almost atended one of their events last fall but it was cold and i was getting over a flue bug at the time..
I think about comming to one of their peyote events since ive never tryed peyote only san pedro cactus...
below is info on them...

ALL NATIONS - Oklevueha Native American Church of All Nations.

Region: West
Location: Boulder/Denver Areas, Colorado
Email: Joseph_RisingSun@Yahoo.com
Website: www.OklevuehaNativeAmericanChurchofAllNatio
Description:
Oklevueha Native American Church of All Nations is a church for the people, to offer spiritual guidance, comfort and support for the community through Native American Half Moon Ceremony, Sweatlodge, Hanblecha, Vision Quest and many other indiginous ceremonies. We preserve the ways of prayer with Holy Medicines such as Peyote, our Holy Sacrament in which we pray and worship God in the way we see God through the Holy Medicines such as peyote, for ourselves, our children, families and all the generations to come may have freedom of religion.

We belive Great Spirit intended all human beings to have opportunity to participate in these ceramonies regardless of gender, race,finacial, and/ or social status.These ceremonies were given to human beings by Great Spirit to empower and/or heal us emotionally, intellectualy, and physially through spiritual means.

These Ceremonies have been passed from Generation to Generation under the most difficult of circumstances and have been retained more compleatly by the indigenous people of mother Earth.

Participation in these ceremonies assists us in disciplining ourselves to honor our innate goodness while we walk on mother Eart and under father sky.

~ Oklevueha N.A.C. of All Nations


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Yerba said:
That said, there is no legal way for a white American to take entheogens in the United States outside of an exceedingly-rare clinical trial or something approved by the relevant agencies.
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New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona and Oregon seem to allow for it if certain conditions are met, the requirements to qualify for legal protection vary state to state, but being of native american decent is not one of those requirements at least in these states as far as I know.

Of course federal law is a different story, just like with the current cannabis situation in the USA.
 
jamie said:
The Oklevueha Native American Church is concidered by many within the Native American Church to be not legit it seems..it's pretty controverisal but I have both heard from other church members and read on various sites that that guy is a fraud or something, and also that they are not really legal and that affiliation cant protect you....although I have also read NAC members saying the same things about Peyote Way and saying they are some rogue offshoot that does not respect the medicine etc..

Anyway yeah..I dont know what to think about James Mooney and the Oklevueha NAC..There is so many rumors and haters out in the world you never know what to really believe.
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IF...some feel that this church aint legit it may be because they alow non indians in to the church and ceramonies...??
I would say the church is 100 percent legit...
 
moniker said:
Yerba said:
That said, there is no legal way for a white American to take entheogens in the United States outside of an exceedingly-rare clinical trial or something approved by the relevant agencies.
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New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Arizona and Oregon seem to allow for it if certain conditions are met, the requirements to qualify for legal protection vary state to state, but being of native american decent is not one of those requirements at least in these states as far as I know.

Of course federal law is a different story, just like with the current cannabis situation in the USA.
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This is good to hear that Colorado and several other states alow this!:) :thumb_up:
 
thanks for that dreamer.

There is some youtube videos with James Flaming Eagle Mooney as well.

Honestly the guy seems like a good guy, that gets a lot of haters etc...Im not a NAC member though so I dont know much about why some people have such a problem with the guy.

I would not join the church though just so you can feel like you can legally take these medicines. It is sort of an abuse of the NAC to do that IMO..if you dont really feel a calling to their way of ceremony and practice etc than you should not join. Just my feelings on the subject of these plant medicine groups/churches. I feel like a lot of people want to go to daime ceremonies or peyote ceremonies etc just cus it's a legal way to trip.
 
I would not join the church though just so you can feel like you can legally take these medicines. It is sort of an abuse of the NAC to do that IMO..if you dont really feel a calling to their way of ceremony and practice etc than you should not join. Just my feelings on the subject of these plant medicine groups/churches. I feel like a lot of people want to go to daime ceremonies or peyote ceremonies etc just cus it's a legal way to trip.
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I would LIKE to think that for most of the people here on the Nexus, the distinction between 'a legal way to trip' and 'attending a spiritual ceremony with the respect and intention' is a pretty meaningless one. Obviously that's not the case for the general drug-using population at large, but people here seem like they are pretty aware.

I know at least for me, I would be extremely interested in the spiritual insight and healing peyote offers, and I would go to him because I knew I could do it in a setting that was at least a little more secure than buying buttons in a brown paper bag from a guy on the corner. The two are are not totally mutually exclusive.

I've often wondered why psychedelic users don't band together and found their own religion. There are certainly enough people on the Nexus that we could qualify as an effective cult. Certainly more if you add some of the folks at The Shroomery and Mycotopia.
 
Nathanial.Dread said:
I've often wondered why psychedelic users don't band together and found their own religion. There are certainly enough people on the Nexus that we could qualify as an effective cult. Certainly more if you add some of the folks at The Shroomery and Mycotopia.
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i have wondered this as well.
what sort of legal hoops would have to be jumped through?
 

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