NBOME, Apb ban. Thoughts

[TOXSIN]

After trying 25I-Nbome for a second time last night at approx. 400-500mics taken over the course of 2 hours basically about 170-200 Mics taken waited a half an hour another 100-133mics then another hour time taking another 100-133mics dropped onto a coffee filter as a ghetto blotter stuck under my lip without swallowing any saliva for a half an hour at a time until each redosing. I can say I doubt I will EVER take anything labeled as nbome again it was extremely stimulating, overly so I felt like I had a 10,000 watt voltage coord shoved up my ass and needed to run laps, had restless leg syndrome barely any visuals, and just general malaise was felt in my head and my body. Especially discontenting was the vasoconstriction I felt which showed its ugly head as a tingly sensation in my fingers, I thought I had felt it with LSA but nothing I've felt has compared to nbome when it comes to that. I give this chem a definite thumbs down on my opinion, some may love it, but for someone who's usually a hard head to stimulants and requiring a higher dose then most for desired effects the 25I effects were so overly stimulating that any minor visuals I felt at this dose were NOT WORTH THE anxiety and restless leg syndrome, vasoconstriction. etc. I strongly STRONGLY suggest huge amounts of research being put into any use of this chem and even just avoiding it entirely. As I said this is my opinion but I definitely see where this stuff can be fatal at a higher dose, my heart didn't feel like it was going to explode admittedly, no nothing like that but it was definitely a huge body load and extremely uncomfortable feeling for about 4 hours after the first alerts. I owe a huge thanks to those who listened to me ramble on in the nexus chat while over stimulated, including special shout outs to mustelid, and voidtraveler, especially for just enduring my need to continuously type and ask questions they probably didn't know or didn't feel comfortable answering and anyone else involved as well, again this is all my opinion but I HIGHLY suggest avoiding the Nbome series! I never got a chance to try the original 2c-Xs but if they are anything like what I experienced on 25I I am glad.

I've had many ++ experiences with 25b. I did encounter the issues you listed few times. If you make sure your tolerance to psychedelics is low, and not re dose, its usually fine. Its hit or miss I guess.

After dosing slow like this I doubt I would ever have the nerves to dose even that or especially not a higher dose in one sitting, as opposed to over time, it was my first phen I ever tried and it definitely wasn't a nice experience, just made me super uneasy and was NOTHING like I read it wwould be I read there could be stimulation sure I was ready for that but I also heard EXTREMELY visual which it was not caused Barely ANY visuals and I mean yeah it coulda been tolerance I heard they build tolerance for a long time I had taken it about a week prior once more but still... that is ridiculous

 

[Kash]

SWIM enjoys 25I and has a very enjoyable time eating a single perforated tab, though he would take some lucy first any day. It definitly has stimulant properties to it but nothing too terrible and there are usually plenty of colored visuals. But psychoactives effect everyone differently. My theory is if one waits atleast 2 weeks between experiences along with healthy diet and rest, visuals of experiences are much stronger.

I am sad to hear it being banned, but wont miss it too much. There are other things more enjoyable. Plus wouldnt it already be illegal anyway through the analogous drug act, or is that only the US?

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

What if Alcohol and tobacco were made illegal? then groups would start creating all kinds of deadlier Tobacco analogues and drinks that mimic alcohol. The first wave of alcohol and tobacco analogues are made illegal after a couple of years. So the companies release the new wave of analogues they have been storing. Finally enough people realize that it is natural to want to get high off something and they demand that Alcohol and Tobacco be made legal again in their original forms. Cigies and beers for everyone.

Somewhat OT, but: are there alcohol analogues in the same way that we have tryptamines, lysergamines and phenelthylamines?

Since alcohol is legal, there's no a huge need for R&D, but I imagine there should be some.

Cheers
~ND

 

[GobblinTorch]

Ether was an alcohol analogue used during prohibition ...

 

[AluminumFoilRobots]

@Toxisin: Sorry to hear you had such a negative experience. All I can think of to account for it would be Tolerance (VERY strong, long lasting tolerance with this stuff) and your personal neurochemical makeup. Perhaps the phenethylamines aren't for you, but I really wouldn't give up on them until you've tried cactus! As much as I CAN enjoy these new phens, Mescaline blows them all the way out of the water, 100%.

Sorry about your bad time!

 

[TOXSIN]

@Toxisin: Sorry to hear you had such a negative experience. All I can think of to account for it would be Tolerance (VERY strong, long lasting tolerance with this stuff) and your personal neurochemical makeup. Perhaps the phenethylamines aren't for you, but I really wouldn't give up on them until you've tried cactus! As much as I CAN enjoy these new phens, Mescaline blows them all the way out of the water, 100%.

Sorry about your bad time!

I do still want to try cactus, but yeah I just think the overall experience of the nbome class isn't for me, sorry if my post seemed to push off my own negatives onto others I was more or less trying to warn people about my experience to show that even a low dose stretched over a couple hours can have a large impact.

 

[5 Dimensional Nick]

The kid's want LSD? let em have LSD. That way, they don't get sold 2c-b.

whats wrong with 2-cb?