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Neurosurgeon Says 5-meo and his NDE are very similar
- Thread starter Pandora
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Thanks for posting Pandora
..sounds more like DMT..i guess 'experience' is always more than a single molecule
He rates the similarity as 2 out of 10, which cannot be interpreted as "very similar."
5 MeO DMT could be involved with NDEs, but it cannot be the only hormone involved. Just as 5 MeO DMT is not the only molecule involved in toad venom. Just from this description it's not possible to derive anything. Ego dissolution and divine love are the most basic/generic part of all psychedelic experiences and endogenous trance experiences...
5 MeO DMT could be involved with NDEs, but it cannot be the only hormone involved. Just as 5 MeO DMT is not the only molecule involved in toad venom. Just from this description it's not possible to derive anything. Ego dissolution and divine love are the most basic/generic part of all psychedelic experiences and endogenous trance experiences...
neurobloom
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In another case a middle aged french guy with 90% of his brain missing is leading a normal life with an average IQ. Yet another exemple that consciousness and intelligence isn't all what we think it is.
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
In fact, he's doing pretty well - he's the president!Sidisheikh.mehriz said:
[Apols, just couldn't resist!]
An IQ of 84 is a bit below average (thought to be 100 as far as I know?) but enough to be a functioning citizen.
It also adds weight to the popular idea that humans only use 10 percent of their brain capacity...
Edit: apparently the average IQ of different countries vary to as low as 60s. So then 84 can be considered good..?
It also adds weight to the popular idea that humans only use 10 percent of their brain capacity...
Edit: apparently the average IQ of different countries vary to as low as 60s. So then 84 can be considered good..?
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
It could be thar 5-MeO happens to trigger pathways that lead to the same downstream effects as the NDE experiences. It does not necessarily follow at all that 5-MeO itself is responsible for the subjective effects in actual (medical emergency-related) NDEs.
JustATourist
Rising Star
I always thought that if psychedelics reveal something of metaphysical significance (aka they are not “just an hallucination”) other mystical experiences like NDEs, do as well, and if one of them doesn’t, the other one shouldn’t either.
I find it weird to think that if an NDE is really about meeting the source/God, paychedelics are not, and viceversa.
Differences aside, these experiences have too much in common in my opinion: the sense of feeling “more real than real”, ineffability, transcendence of time and space, ego disollution, etc.
I find it weird to think that if an NDE is really about meeting the source/God, paychedelics are not, and viceversa.
Differences aside, these experiences have too much in common in my opinion: the sense of feeling “more real than real”, ineffability, transcendence of time and space, ego disollution, etc.
JustATourist
Rising Star
Another thing is that Psychedelics have recently been found to REDUCE brain activity in certain key areas. At the same time NDEs are supposed to happen while the is no brain activity at all.
Could that give more credensce to Aldous Huxley’s idea of the brain as a reducing valve ?
Could that give more credensce to Aldous Huxley’s idea of the brain as a reducing valve ?
neurobloom
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JustATourist said:Another thing is that Psychedelics have recently been found to REDUCE brain activity in certain key areas. At the same time NDEs are supposed to happen while the is no brain activity at all.
Could that give more credensce to Aldous Huxley’s idea of the brain as a reducing valve ?
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