New-approach-to-extraction question

[geko]

Hi guys,

I am not new to extractions, I've done a lot (salvinorine A, etc.) but have never before worked with MHRB. Recently I obtained a lot of powder and tried a STB extraction, which, although done properly, resulted only in a low yield of n-oxide DMT. I read a lot about the current methods of extracting, but want to approach the whole thing somewhat differently. Please give advice on the following theoretical tek:

1. Acetone wash of very finely powdered MHRB. This has been tested - after evaporation this results in 5% brown powder with a LOT of visible sparkling crystals in it (possibly salts). If we presume that the original DMT salts have been extracted by the Acetone, we have successfully reduced the material we have to work with to only 5%.

2. Lye bath of the 5% brown/crystal powder - to convert the presumed salt DMT to freebase.

3. Naphta separation.


Is there a reason for this procedure not to work? I guess the real question is - will the Acetone pull out the DMT salts? If the Acetone does this, then I see not reason for the rest not to work.

Any input is appreciated.

P.S. Sorry of I haven't posted this in the right section. The moderators may move it wherever is suitable.

 

[nexusdisciple]

Recently I obtained a lot of powder and tried a STB extraction, which, although done properly, resulted only in a low yield of n-oxide DMT.

What makes you think you have n-oxide?

Regarding the rest of your post, there is no reason that what you outlined should not work. The acetone will definitely pull some DMT out of the bark and you could do a mini-extraction with that however doing a traditional STB or A/B with multiple NPS pulls from the alkaline aqueous solution is almost assuredly going to leave you with a better yields.

One acetone pull isn't going to grab all the alkaloids out of the bark and you are going to end up with a lot of waste.

 

[geko]

Recently I obtained a lot of powder and tried a STB extraction, which, although done properly, resulted only in a low yield of n-oxide DMT.

What makes you think you have n-oxide?

Regarding the rest of your post, there is no reason that what you outlined should not work. The acetone will definitely pull some DMT out of the bark and you could do a mini-extraction with that however doing a traditional STB or A/B with multiple NPS pulls from the alkaline aqueous solution is almost assuredly going to leave you with a better yields.

One acetone pull isn't going to grab all the alkaloids out of the bark and you are going to end up with a lot of waste.

I am assuming it was n-oxide because freeze precipitation didn't work, the goo was light yellow in color, it was not soluble in Naphta and it was quite active.

Is there any data on exactly how much Acetone should be used to pull the DMT from bark, does the acetone alter the DMT salts in any way, and in general everything about what will Acetone do to powdered MHRB?

I see a lot of advantages in dramatically reducing the material before the Lye and Naphta phases and I will most definitely pursue this path, but I need as much info about the acetone in this scenario as possible, and Internet searches do not return much.

 

[cyb]

There is little to NO N-Oxide in bark samples as has been shown by analysis.[endlessness]

Do not confuse NMT with N-Oxide...they are very different things.

 

[geko]

There is little to NO N-Oxide in bark samples as has been shown by analysis.[endlessness]

Do not confuse NMT with N-Oxide...they are very different things.

You are suggesting that what I got out of the STB extraction was NMT? Sorry, I just want to make this clear, i am not sure what you mean. Why would that be?