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Interesting - do you think a few extreme rollercoaster rides might aproach a similar effect? I'm thinking about more easily accessible alternatives.
Negative.
Rollercoasters are no comparison to skydiving.
Skydiving is more accessible than you may think. Try tandem, very little training is required, compared to Accelerated Free Fall (AFF), which requires a good 4 hours training beforehand.
I love skydiving!
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overthinking the unthinkable
Yup, what Trip said, no comparison at all. People dont realise, skydiving is a sport you can get a licence after 18 jumps and the last 10 of those are solo with no instructors.
There is simply nothing like bursting through a cloud at 250mph with a couple of friends eighteen inches in front of you.
And then there is swooping...
There is simply nothing like bursting through a cloud at 250mph with a couple of friends eighteen inches in front of you.
And then there is swooping...
Dunno anything about skydiving but I think a lot of the benefits from flow sports like surfing, skateboarding, snowboarding/skiing, biking etc come from that flow state of mind combined with the physical exercise…plus your out in the ocean or the mountains grounded getting sunlight.
Wake up and do that a few times a week and the benefits are real. I feel noticeably different all day if I skated a ramp or managed a quick surf before work…or even if I know il get in a surf after.
It’s like meditation if you get into that zone.
Wake up and do that a few times a week and the benefits are real. I feel noticeably different all day if I skated a ramp or managed a quick surf before work…or even if I know il get in a surf after.
It’s like meditation if you get into that zone.
fink
overthinking the unthinkable
Yup Jamie,exactly the same in the sky. For those brief moments you are in a state of pure flow. Impossible to think about your gas bill or car insurance or that person that was bad to you.
Anything where your only goal is to survive that moment is pure joy for me
Anything where your only goal is to survive that moment is pure joy for me
Skydiving might be more of an adrenaline rush compared to water-sports, which are more active physically I assume, and rewarding in a more connected with the ocean and wind way.. Don't know, to each his own of course, but I think windsurfing / kitesurfing is enough for me. And sky-diving is not a thing around here, have to fly to a different island to do that.
IceKoldpp
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dude... i know. i heard him talk briefly ab it on the danny jones pod (not this most recent one but the one from ab a year ago) and looked up eleusis. it's a good distance from me but i would definitely save my pennies for awhile to make it happen in the next year or two. if you make the trip you have to report back here! i've been intrigued with everything DMTx related for last year or so... one day man.So just found out Andrew Gallimore is opening a DMTx research center on a nearby island..
fun times ahead!
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i really enjoyed the jessie michael's pod from a few days ago as well. when you listen to every interview/podcast appearance someone does you end up hearing the same spill and the american alchemy appearance actually got into a fair bit of ground that i haven't heard gallimore cover over and over. surely he has to be on the schedule for rogan?
i really really want to hear that conversation lol. with jessie and danny jones both just recently doing jre, hopefully they'll pass andrew's info onto to joe.dude... i know. i heard him talk briefly ab it on the danny jones pod (not this most recent one but the one from ab a year ago) and looked up eleusis. it's a good distance from me but i would definitely save my pennies for awhile to make it happen in the next year or two. if you make the trip you have to report back here! i've been intrigued with everything DMTx related for last year or so... one day man.
i really enjoyed the jessie michael's pod from a few days ago as well. when you listen to every interview/podcast appearance someone does you end up hearing the same spill and the american alchemy appearance actually got into a fair bit of ground that i haven't heard gallimore cover over and over. surely he has to be on the schedule for rogan?
The Grenadines are pretty close by for me, as In, I live on the Antilles as well, I learned to speak one of the local languages. DMTx has my interest as well and I'm tempted to reach out and inquire about the costs that I think will be a lot more than that it's worth to me, being a resort with medical staff on hand, which makes it an easy 5000$ ++ experience.
Andrew Gallimore should definitely be on Joe Rogan, although I would like to know it in advance and stock up on MHRB lol Also, I expect him to release more books, Death by Astonishment is an amazing read, would blindly pre-order anything he writes.
surely he has to be on the schedule for rogan?
Or, how about Joe being interviewed by Andrew whilst tripping ballssss on DMTx.. I would pay-per-view that all day
IceKoldpp
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overthinking the unthinkable
I'm still waiting for a device that can project a video in real time for what a person's mind is doing in the image department. I'd sit in silent awe watching someone else's DMT trip. It will happen one day
Instead of people streaming video games to make money there will be professional hyperspace streamers with millions of people watching their journey from the comfort of their sofa
Instead of people streaming video games to make money there will be professional hyperspace streamers with millions of people watching their journey from the comfort of their sofa
Lopsided Nobody
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Caveat, I have only a handful of jumps under my belt and haven't jumped in a couple of years (indoor skydiving doesn't really do it). That said...
Initially, yes. After you get a few jumps in, my understanding is the fear/adrenaline largely fades away and it's more surreal. Even in my jumps, once you step off of the plane or let go of the strut, it's more freeing and beautiful and less about the adrenaline. The adrenaline is still there, but there is still more to it than that. Once you throw your chute, it's very surreal and everything slows way down. Scuba or snorkeling are going to likely be more relaxing and about being in flow (or however you want to describe it), but there are likely more similarities between water-sports and skydiving than may seem obvious after you get past the initial adrenaline dump.
All of which is to say, I want to get back into it.
Lopsided Nobody
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That's a great analogy. It's disassociative being 10,000 feet away from your problems, and also as you say impossible to worry about your mundane problems when all that really matters is being present in the moment so you don't die (or risk being that guy that ends up in a tree or hitting somebody's barn or something embarrassing-to-painful).
fink
overthinking the unthinkable
I agree completely with you Lopsided. After a while it becomes a serene experience all together. You only feel adrenalin when something stops going as you were expecting. Even then there is a flow state to obtain with your emergency procedures.
It's a lot like freedive. Only moving a lot faster in air, a much less dense molecule soup than water. But the priciple of how you move under water or in freefall is exactly the same aside from buoyancy.
You can never be exactly perfect at body flight. The progression lasts a lifetime.
It's a lot like freedive. Only moving a lot faster in air, a much less dense molecule soup than water. But the priciple of how you move under water or in freefall is exactly the same aside from buoyancy.
You can never be exactly perfect at body flight. The progression lasts a lifetime.
Sounds a lot like psychedelics, no? 
fink
overthinking the unthinkable
Yes! The similarities are very accurate.
A trip is often like meditation, except when things go crazy, then it can be adrenalin and emergency procedures to get through it.
Surfing; meditation until a big wipeout or a shark attack, then emergency proceudres and adrenalin.
Rock climbing, meditation until you slip.
Skiing the same, and many other similar hobbies.
With correct training, the EPs make something that could be catastrophic just another flow state to enjoy.
Riding a motorbike is many times more dangerous than skydiving with proper training, for example.
A trip is often like meditation, except when things go crazy, then it can be adrenalin and emergency procedures to get through it.
Surfing; meditation until a big wipeout or a shark attack, then emergency proceudres and adrenalin.
Rock climbing, meditation until you slip.
Skiing the same, and many other similar hobbies.
With correct training, the EPs make something that could be catastrophic just another flow state to enjoy.
Riding a motorbike is many times more dangerous than skydiving with proper training, for example.
Lopsided Nobody
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Agreed. Skydiving did not cause ego death, but there are definitely similarities. Initially there is the planning and getting into the mindset to do the jump. Flying up and looking at the ground from 10,000 feet knowing you are going to navigate that creates a great deal of disassociation. That's useful for changing your relationship with whatever is down there (your job, spouse, bills, news, politics, etc.). The rush into experience (especially the initial jump/drop and freefall) focuses your attention very acutely on the experience, and it is amazing. Then once your chute opens, everything gets much, much quieter and slows down. Flying the chute down is strangely relaxing unless you're doing tricks or swooping, or if something malfunctions. Once you land it's just this rush of emotions and you want to do it again.
Ultimately, I think there are similarities in the steps, as well as possibility for something therapeutic.
Something happens in the barrel that is for me unlike anything else.
When you get the vision of the wall sucking up in one eye, and the lip starting to enter your vision in the other as it falls…as it wraps around you into a perfect almond shaped vortex.
Thinking stops. There is no self reflection. There is only for a moment a perfect vortex.
When you get the vision of the wall sucking up in one eye, and the lip starting to enter your vision in the other as it falls…as it wraps around you into a perfect almond shaped vortex.
Thinking stops. There is no self reflection. There is only for a moment a perfect vortex.
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overthinking the unthinkable
That is such a cool description Jamie. The skills you've had to hone to get that experience take some determined dedication.
Most of us will never have enough time to get good at many things. With effort we can all get really good at one or two.
Me imagining your barrel ride vortex is a gift that comes from your effort.
Most of us will never have enough time to get good at many things. With effort we can all get really good at one or two.
Me imagining your barrel ride vortex is a gift that comes from your effort.