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New mhrb tek I would like peer reviewed ( uses a unusual solvent )
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What exactly is bartoline? All I found is a brand name bartoline, which has many different solvents in their product line. I’m assuming it was the white spirit?
MSDS for white spirit bartoline indicates hydrocarbons c9-c12 which i believe is a benzene (xylene etc) and olefin-paraffin mix (i think naphtha is a parrafin).
Happy to be corrected on that.
Other white spirit products are usually naphtha and benzenes.
Happy to be corrected on that.
Other white spirit products are usually naphtha and benzenes.
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
Heavy distillates like [Bartoline] white spirit do do a good job of pulling and - if they are free from aromatics ('benzenes') they freeze precipitate well too.
The problem is, being heavier distillates, they are likely to leave a non-volatile residue which is best cleaned up by recrystallisation from a different, lighter, clean-evaporating solvent, or by a mini-A/B - again using a clean-evaporating solvent.
My first ever extraction used BBQ lighting fluid and the yield was way beyond satisfactory, followed up with a re-x from heptane.
The problem is, being heavier distillates, they are likely to leave a non-volatile residue which is best cleaned up by recrystallisation from a different, lighter, clean-evaporating solvent, or by a mini-A/B - again using a clean-evaporating solvent.
My first ever extraction used BBQ lighting fluid and the yield was way beyond satisfactory, followed up with a re-x from heptane.
downwardsfromzero said:
There is no need for further a re ex and it freeze precips very well , bartoline white spirit evaps perfectly , no residue , I have tested every single type of solvent frequently used in extraction , most naphtha or lighter fluid or camping fuels leave a residue when evaporated ( I've also left a shot glass full of each to evap ) , only ones that don't leave residue are heptane ( which isn't great for pulling ) or bartoline white spirit , I've tried every tek with every solvent and smoked the results , bartoline leaves no taste , just very pale fluffy floral deems , give it a try brother I promise you won't be disappointed
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
OK, glad to hear of your positive results but there's nothing especially ground breaking about this method. White spirit is just another petroleum distillate and could equally be called medium naphtha. My experience shows that medium hydrotreated aliphatic petroleum distillates do indeed do a good job of extracting DMT, and it's useful to know that you've found something that evaporates cleanly.
All things considered, I still think that this thread belongs in the Welcome Area rather than the Collaborative Research Project area of the forum. Hence its appearance in the Welcome Discussion subforum.
All things considered, I still think that this thread belongs in the Welcome Area rather than the Collaborative Research Project area of the forum. Hence its appearance in the Welcome Discussion subforum.
downwardsfromzero said:
I've personally not heard of anyone else using that solvent, yes I'd agree at its core it's just a a/b tek with a salt stage , but I would argue that there is more of a difference between my tek and others , for example cybs max ion and cybs salt tek and fennec tek are basically the same , the settling process negates the need for a re ex which isn't In any other tek I've seen , I advise doing the freeze thaw after the salt not after vinegar like other teks and I use different ratios and quantitys, I use brita filter water where most recommend de ionised , and a sink bath instead of using a saucepan , I've run my tek head to head with cybs and fennec ( the 2 best teks imo ) and my method was easier with better yields and you only have to do 2 pulls , 3 max , unlike cybs or fennec which recommend 5, sorry if I sound defensive, I just honestly feel like this is the next step in extraction, give it a go , it might surprise you
With the same bark i got 1.62% with cybs salt ,1.8% with max ion , 1.68% with fennec and with wibtek 2.02% , I can bang on about this all day but nobody is going to take it seriously until more people have tried and can back up my claims. I'd love for some people to try , even if it is to try to prove me wrong
Magicmike, it's good that you have found a process that works for you.
Bartoline has been used and talked about on nexus for a number of years, feel free to use the search function to read up on previous posts. It appears to be just a brand name for naphtha. As DFZ has pointed out it is a standard solvent and naphtha is used in a lot of DMT Teks.
Your right, at the core your Tek is just a standard A/B, using standard methods and commonly used consumables that have had a well established use in DMT extraction Teks.
I have no doubt however, the variations you have experimented with indeed may produce higher yields.
So thank you for reporting it.
Bartoline has been used and talked about on nexus for a number of years, feel free to use the search function to read up on previous posts. It appears to be just a brand name for naphtha. As DFZ has pointed out it is a standard solvent and naphtha is used in a lot of DMT Teks.
Your right, at the core your Tek is just a standard A/B, using standard methods and commonly used consumables that have had a well established use in DMT extraction Teks.
I have no doubt however, the variations you have experimented with indeed may produce higher yields.
So thank you for reporting it.
_Trip_ said:
Thankyou for informing me , there's always someone's who's thought of a good idea first lmfao, I have had a look and found a few mentions of using bartoline , would you agree that there is more of a difference between wibtek and the usual a/b teks(cybs salt ect ). then there is between cybs max ion and salt tek and fennec . what I'm basically getting at is, if fennec tek is a tek in its own right and worthy of its own right up , isn't mine too ?
Magicmike said:
No need to redact your method, your variations are still valid and may help others. All experiments and observations can help confirm what works better and what doesn't.
At a quick glance wibtek and fennec tek all use the same materials and principles as say cybs max ion and salt tek. Fennec tek even mentions it is heavily based on cybs tek. Wibtek and fennec tek aren't offical dmt wiki teks on nexus likely for this reason.
I haven't glanced through the nexus wiki dmt extractions in a while but for memory even a couple of those teks are very similar in materials and processes used.
There's always room to experiment. A number of members have been contributing to the minimum polymer tek, this may interest you it may not Minimum Polymer - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus . It uses the same principles as a A/B tek, just utilizes a different acid (ascorbic acid) and KCl as a salt. The aim is to minimizes dmt polymers.
At the start of my tek I also said its based on cybs , and there is hardly any difference between cybs salt and cybs max ion but It's fine don't worry , I haven't posted here enough to be taken seriously and I understand that , there's alot going on in this forum so wibtek will just get drowned out . I'm still convinced that my tek is worthwhile and the best out there , I just don't think this is the best platform to get the knowledge out there as there is mountains of good info here to wade through , I've got a captive audience with my dmt fb group ( although not as expert as the folks here ) so will continue to spread it there and try to make it mainstream.
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
Well, that's a real shame that you think your tek's not worth sharing here. That seems greatly at odds with your desire to 'make it mainstream' :?
If you're aware of the Nexus wiki, that would be a place to commit important information to so that it didn't get buried among the thousands of posts on the forum.
Another possibility is if the subject was well-presented and discussed in a mature fashion, should it turn out to get replicated and reliably demonstrate the superior yields it would get stickied in the DMT extraction forum. Replication becomes somewhat more difficult now that you have deleted the relevant information from your OP.
From what I recall, you suggested this:
acid cook followed by freeze/thaw cycles ×3
add saturated salt solution
base with lye
pull warm with white spirit
Also, "secret" fb groups? Please ensure that you stay safe.
Take care, see you around perhaps.
If you're aware of the Nexus wiki, that would be a place to commit important information to so that it didn't get buried among the thousands of posts on the forum.
Another possibility is if the subject was well-presented and discussed in a mature fashion, should it turn out to get replicated and reliably demonstrate the superior yields it would get stickied in the DMT extraction forum. Replication becomes somewhat more difficult now that you have deleted the relevant information from your OP.
From what I recall, you suggested this:
acid cook followed by freeze/thaw cycles ×3
add saturated salt solution
base with lye
pull warm with white spirit
This kind of implies that you were feeling inflated by "your" tek (ever heard the phrase, standing on the shoulders of giants"?) You might want to be cautious about this kind of emotional attachment.Magicmike said:
Also, "secret" fb groups? Please ensure that you stay safe.
Take care, see you around perhaps.
fink
overthinking the unthinkable
Hi Magicmike,
Slow down brother. You're all over the place. I dont see how other people using your tek can benefit you other than for kudos. If it is kudos you seek here then perhaps your motivation is not quite fitting. I would guess the best method could be to just deposit your offering and chill.
I'll see if I can source the materials and try it one day and will let you know if I ever get something to report.
Slow down brother. You're all over the place. I dont see how other people using your tek can benefit you other than for kudos. If it is kudos you seek here then perhaps your motivation is not quite fitting. I would guess the best method could be to just deposit your offering and chill.
I'll see if I can source the materials and try it one day and will let you know if I ever get something to report.
Magicmike said:
You have not allowed enough time for others here to notice, make time, and follow through on trying it out. We all have lives and performing an extraction is a time commitment.
If I may, why is it so important for this tek, which as some of our more chemistry minded members have reflected, is nothing groundbreaking to become "mainstream?" If it's out of a sense and need of self worth and importance like "I developed a tek that is mainstream," then your motivations might be misplaced.
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