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ckld

ckld

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Hi guys nice place you've got hear. I think i'm gonna be hanging around for quite a long time to this forum.
So...first trip on DMT couple of days before with yopo seeds and baking soda snuffed ... It was good but with too much vomiting I supose. Got all the tripping and halluciations between vomiting and then a feeling of reborn and calmness. The second time i used lime insted of baking soda with same amount of seeds (4 seeds)and in a few minutes freeked out, I was so feared don't know about what but realy in fear I remember a only a few. My wife told me I was saying to her continoous that I was sorry. I once again vomited a lot like wanting to die just dont vomit any more. Sort of woke up after i while and started a real good chat with my wife about the human brain as I found fears of my subconcious and superstitions although till then I did'nt believe I had any. I found the magic of DMT.
Look I'm an almost 40 year old guy with a lovely wife and daughter with a nice life till now who found out over tha past months (that is when I started getting in touch with the legal drugs mushrooms, morning glory, salvia, yopo and hoping for some cacti soon as well ) that wants to become a fu..ing shaman. Oh thats great you will might say. But hard to study all the herbs and methods and tripping and growing when spare time is minimum for me I almost get anxious to find info which is hard some times lossing the mystical part which is so essential. I must admit during my last trip with yopo I was anxious and that made me loose the mystical part and brought to the fear world.
So I would like to ask how can I ingest bettet DMT without vomiting? I've read a lot about about ayahuasca but I'm a bit affraid of it. I think that I would prefer the smoking thing. How is that? Do you put ayahuasca herbs in a joint or what? Do i have to make an extraxt? What do I need to buy? Sorry if my english is'nt so good. Thank you already for any reply
 
Welcome to the Nexus!

Yopo will often have no dmt, but rather bufotenine. There seem to be many more side effects when using bufotenine than DMT.

I think you should look into ayahuasca (banisteriopsis caapi and psychotria viridis), and/or analogues (like peganum harmala and mimosa hostilis).

To smoke DMT you need to extract dmt from a plant source, usually mimosa hostilis because its high yielding and clean alkaloid profile, but there are other potential options out there.

All dosages and info on how to extract or prepare brews are here in the forum, in the FAQ and wiki in general.
 
I'm an "older sort" as well. But to be honest I've never really associated anyone's age with how you should treat/interact with them. As far as I'm concerned that's based more on one's character/personality.

Anyways I just got back into psychedelics (specifically DMT) a couple months ago after a 20 year or so hiatus. Its funny.....I was listening to a radio interview Joe Rogan gave where he was talking about his experience with it. It was typical "Joe Rogan" type humor, but there was also a real sense of passion/conviction in his description of his experience.

I didn't think much about it at the time but it planted a seed. Later on I read something that mentioned DMT again....this time something clicked and an interest was sparked.

I started doing as much research as I could on the subject. After enough time/research I decided that extracting the spice from powered MHRB utilizing a STB tek would suit my situation the best.

Smoking DMT doesn't produce any nausea for me at all. But be warned it comes on hard and fast.....you can read all the trip reports you want (good and bad) but nothing, I mean NOTHING can fully prepare you for that first leap!

It is truly and incredible compound.
 
Tfin said:
But be warned it comes on hard and fast.....you can read all the trip reports you want (good and bad) but nothing, I mean NOTHING can fully prepare you for that first leap!

It is truly and incredible compound.
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Honestly if it came on any slower, I would be getting antsy. For me, the time it takes to come up on vaporized DMT is just right. On MAOIs when I smoke DMT, for some reason the come up is slightly delayed, and by slightly I mean by about 15-20 seconds. Even then, I still find myself thinking, I wish this would kick in quicker :shock: :lol:
 
Global said:
Honestly if it came on any slower, I would be getting antsy. For me, the time it takes to come up on vaporized DMT is just right. On MAOIs when I smoke DMT, for some reason the come up is slightly delayed, and by slightly I mean by about 15-20 seconds. Even then, I still find myself thinking, I wish this would kick in quicker :shock: :lol:
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Yes I have to admit the anticipation during the "pre-flight" check list is quite elevated! :lol:
 
When adequately mastered there are preparation methods for Mimosahuasca that do not cause vomiting. I would write it up now, but I've been awake for too long and don't feel like complex mental efforts right now, so I'm going to go and meditate. I'll see about writing something up later today.
 
But what would you saggest for a first serious contact with DMT? I think Ayahuasca is my only chance since extracts seem to hard to achive. Is Ayahuasca my only chance? Text about extractions I found on the forum where quite dificult for me to understand although my english is'nt that bad. There are to many MHRB, STB like words in any part of DMT extraction I can't keep along with. What if I smoke some Mimosa with Syrian Rue? And one more I've got a great Mimosa tree next to my house. Has it got DMT also? I mean is DMT common for all the mimosa tree family?
 
ckld said:
But what would you saggest for a first serious contact with DMT? I think Ayahuasca is my only chance since extracts seem to hard to achive. Is Ayahuasca my only chance?
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not your only chance, but i would highly recommend it, easy to make, just boil your yage, its the first step in this tek, then do the same with your DMT-plant (chaliponga/chacruna/Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark - MHRB) drink caapi tea then mimosa, also you can use eggwhites/jello/milk/etc for fining.
ckld said:
Text about extractions I found on the forum where quite dificult for me to understand although my english is'nt that bad. There are to many MHRB, STB like words in any part of DMT extraction
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most words like that will form a link which you can click that will define it for you, if not a cursory google search should provide the answer. if both those fail you, then you can use the search function. if THAT fails you, feel free to make a thread with any questions you might have.

ckld said:
What if I smoke some Mimosa with Syrian Rue? And one more I've got a great Mimosa tree next to my house. Has it got DMT also? I mean is DMT common for all the mimosa tree family?
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mimosa root bark is only like 1% dmt (though it is highly variable) so you would have to smoke many grams of what i can only imagine as a rough smoke (i haven't done it myself so i cant be sure)

you would be better making a mimosa tea (again, fining is recommended as it has a 16% tannin content or something recockulous), ingesting the syrian rue about 30 mins prior to drinking it.

or skip the rue all together and go with rectal imbibing.

but oral dmt =/= smoked (not that one is better than another) so if you want smoked/vaped/changa you will have to do an extraction. caapi extraction is already linked, my personal favorite for mhrb extraction is this one.
to make changa from there you just dissolve it in IPA (IsoPropyl Alcohol) and evap it onto whatever herbs you want.
extraction teks are deceptively easy (though it does appear extremely overwhelming at first, as i can plainly recall :p) not to say you can't/won't fuck up (start small 50-100g, though if you have trees going i imagine you aren't overly concerned about wasting/losing material. still better to err on the side of caution) but if you read over a tek 2-3 times in depth. you should have no problem being able to do an extraction (good to follow along it as a recipe whilst you do your extracting procedure)that will either be a learning experience or a successful extraction (so success either way) ;)
 
Now thats a good starting advise I must thank for. I hope I wont mess up and or vomit a lot. I really thank you a lot.
 
Don't knock a simple STB extraction for a smokable form. They're easy and produce good results. Plenty of info on this all over this forum and the net in general.
 
ckld said:
Now thats a good starting advise I must thank for. I hope I wont mess up and or vomit a lot. I really thank you a lot.
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a lot of what causes nausea (at least with ayahuasca, and especially with mimosa) is the tannins, so if you are concerned with that, fining would probably be your best bet (when your brew starts to steam, take it off the burner/fire and let it cool till the steam dissipates, add egg white/jell-o/fining agent to the mixture, stir it in, and bring back up to just under a boil, the protein will bind to the tannins and coagulate; alternatively you can just add milk/cream/jell-o to your brew just before you drink it, and it will act as a fining agent inside your stomach).
also i find that cannabis works as an excellent nausea suppressant, and i have heard that LSD works even better (but i would not recommend combining LSD and aya for your first dmt experience lol).
 
certainly I will use fining during the Ayahuasca preparation. Is there something similar for Yopo? cause I like it so much. Is it OK to combine Yopo with canabis and smoke togethter in a single joint?
I'm having trouble to find the right combination for the Ayahuasca to buy. I'd like some guidance for that as well. I must say I'm a bit anxious to do things right only because I believe it is serious stuff (I respect Aya)and I don't want to have a bad trip that will make me never touch Ayahuasca nor DMT again. On the other side, if things goes on OK I believe a new age of meditation will begin in my life. I must also say that my wife has a leeringly attitude after my bad yopo trip (only because she cares)and I don't want to upset her. I've shown her documentaries about Ayahuasca and she was quite skeptical about the hole situation. But she does also know that theres nothing in the world that can stop me. You know something? I don't know if it's true or not but I don't care (because I don't ever take things that serious) but I got this feeling when snuffed yopo once that my hole life leeds to my conection with meditation and shamanism so I will be taught and perhaps some day get enlightend. There was I funny mistake that conected me with the Hallucinogens. I was making a personal researh about a herb called Stevia. One day I wanted to make a search on google and wrote by mistake Salvia instead of Stevia. That was the beggining of everything in a time I had quite some many problems mostly because of everyday routine. One year from then I'm making my personal journey I don't know were but got to be done. Anyway maybe I wrote too much and I don't want to get you all bored and tired.
 
By the way. I found an Ayahuasca kit in some shops. Is that any good for beginners?
 
ckld said:
By the way. I found an Ayahuasca kit in some shops. Is that any good for beginners?
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You really don't need a kit. Its basically just getting the ingredients and brewing a not very complicated tea.

To brew Ayahuasca itself can be slight challenge as getting your hands on the ingredients can present a problem for some people, though it isn't too hard. There are many other options called Ayahuasca analogues. They are mixture that mimic the original, but substitute ingredients for suitable replacements. The one I have used and like uses MHRB, and Syrian Rue. All you need is those two ingredients, some lemons, a stainless steel pot, several jars or containers, and something to filter(I just used an old white tshirt). It's usually referred to as Mimosahuasca as it uses the Mimosa Hostilis plant. There are numerous brew guides about for it and when I get my member status I'll post my version which is a bit easier to understand and has less of the common drawbacks in the finished product.

I also want to add that you should not be afraid of bad trips. Ayahuasca is generally very gentle and nice, and when it isn't it is doing it for a reason. If you relax and don't try and force or control it, all will be fine. At the end of it the worst that will happen is an unnerving experience, so don't be afraid.
 
ckld said:
By the way. I found an Ayahuasca kit in some shops. Is that any good for beginners?
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all you need is about 60g yage, and about 8g of mimosa for 1 dose (-ish, again it can be pretty variable without much consequence, as long as you don't blatantly overdo it).
4 doses of mimosa at ktbotanicals
2 small doses yage (same site)

EDIT: t-shirts work AMAZING for filtering, i find the best way is to stretch the shirt over the top of the pot you are pouring the liquid out of (the weight of the liquid will pull it through quickly). seconded only by a few layers of cheese cloth.
after filtering 2-3 times with shirt, you can filter with a coffee filter 1-3 times.
not necessary but i tend to do that; because i am OCD as fuck (also its cool to drink translucent-borderline transparent ayahuasca :))
 
Knowing how to do both, I find brewing ayahuasca to be much more of a pain than extracting DMT. When you're brewing ayahuasca you'll be stuck at the stove for a while. If you do decide to extract, I would go with Q21Q21's lime/dry tek. It's much easier than STBs, it's significantly less hazardous, safer and it has pretty good yields. Having said that, the knowledge it requires to do a decent extraction is probably more complex than the knowledge needed for ayahuasca, but you still really gotta wrap your mind about what's going on with all the boiling, filtering, decanting, reducing, etc...Anyway I wish you the best of luck on your journeys, and I hope your wife comes around 😉
 
I'm open to all ideas. Anything you write count's to me. It's all because I'm a little anxious and have'nt got much of free time in my life. I feel embarrassed for writing this but I won't have time to make a brew till christmas. Maybe you are right Global for writing that extracting might be easier and faster than making a brew but there are too much i don't understand about it or more than making a brew. The chemicals are also hard to find in the small village I live and even if I order some the pharmasist gona look at me strange like when I bought 1 lt of aceton to extract some salvia. The reason I was thinking of buying an Ayahuasca Kit was because I'm not sure I can figure out doses with Aya. The Kit says it's one kit per dose and that is a bit convinient for me.
Can I buy anything needed for the extraction through the net? How much and what type of DMT sourse do I need to get?
Thanks to all of you guys for helping. I'm happy to see that I found in this forum lots of every day common people who try to expand there minds through nature's herbs. I must admit that the last year that I got involved with all these legal or not herbs and mush (although I was smoking canabis from the age of 18 twice a week average till now that I'm 39) I felt a bit of a junkie only because I did'nt find people curious about these things as I was. My best friend knows nothing about what I'm in to the past 12 months. I'm affraid he will not understand and go angry with me as he was always like a big brother to me. But I will and I must take this route because I need to meditate and look for ansewers. My hobby for a period of 10 years is astronomy and I love it. I seek n' read about astronomy everday but it has a bog, an end that is the human consiousness which put's things in a form because thay should be. But thay should'nt. I want to see things completly out of human consiouness. I want to see the universe in raw format. That's why we all must meditate and expand our minds because it's the only way we are going to find a serious goal as humanity in the whole cosmos, a goal for existance and harmony.
 
Greetings CK! Welcome to the nexus :)
I admire and respect anyone who undertakes shamanic work of any sort. Age is not a factor in this ancient art. I applaud your intentions and efforts. The method of DMT that you have experienced is actuallly Bufotenine, or 5-OH-DMT. this is similar but different to the N,N-DMT found in freebased DMT and in ayahuasca brew. Many of us have done extensive work with yopo seeds (also called vilca, cebil, colubrina/peregrina). The snuff is not for the faint of heart, due to the potential side effects and nausea. Don't let the negative feelings of the vomitting turn you off from the seeds entirely! A visionary extract can be made by pulling the freebased snuff with isopropyl alcohol. (see fractal echantment's tek in the wiki, or use the search function to learn more)
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Ayahuasca is a great way to ease into the DMT experience. The traditional recipe uses the ayahuasca vine B. Caapi and a light-bringing admixture, such as chachruna or chaliponga. A less authentic recipe calls for jurema bark and syrian rue seeds. Research and decide which seems right for you
I do not recommend extraction to those lacking a sound knowledge of teks, procedures, implications, etc. The nexus is a treasure trove of knowledge; all the info you seek is already archived in these threads somewhere. It takes time to research these things. Learn all you can from the experiences from others and you will be well prepared when the time comes for you. Good luck. :)
 
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