New vape decisions and other thoughts.

[Zenocc]

I currently use a "FreeMax" my buddy got it for me , along with some 70/30 vg/pg.

I am not a smoker or vaper, so its been pretty rough getting used to intaking the vapors, but I seem to be doing way better with that recently.

Which since I couldnt take larger hits I tried to increase the strength of the mix, which resulted in a problem. I had issues with the spice crashing out And basically turning into paste.

So I learned I have to warm it. we'll I was a dumb noob and got it too hot too fast and didn't pay attention so it all leaked out. >.<.

I'm looking to get a "leak proof" tank. Specifically a "Aspire Nautilus 3" it supposedly has ports that close if you unscrew the tank from the base, so you can change the coils with full tanks. That isnt why I want it though.

I want to be able to put the tank up without it leaking for longer periods. My friend told me I'd have to drain the tank(the original one) if I wasn't going to be using it on a regular basis. I hate that as moving fluids means loss and i don't want to be wasteful. There may be times that a month or more goes by. So my theory is regardless of liquid used I can unscrew this tank from the base and fix the fluid, shoukd it crash out, or just keep it from leaking.

I'm also going to be looking into more appropriate liquids with higher PG, or even PEG400.

I'm also interested in finding a way to vape harmalas extracts for a more instant inhibition of MAO-A. I'm fine with orally taking it or sublingual too. Looking for recommendations there on route of administration.

The other part of that is I'd like to get the fuller effect and unity of the harmalas and the spice as one, as well as not be so wasteful when I could extend my experiences.

I think having 2 separate vapes would be the way to go, or just weigh out capsules and dose in an appropriately timed manner.

I've found I enjoy being on the light to moderate threshold, and it REALLY freaking helps my executive function which is absolutely terrible with my ADD/ADHD.

I've never had a breakthrough experience yet either. I believe I've been close though.

My other idea is I have a bunch of supplements back home I could try, instead of extracting from rue or asking my friend who makes our spice to do more extractions. I don't work in a singular location so can't really invest the time myself. Trying to simplify some things is a primary focus.

Any help or suggestions are welcome, yes I know I need to start reading but my brain is done for the day and I'll definitely investigate all recommended materials with primary focus.

Thank you guys, sorry if this is scattered, I'm exhausted today.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

I only use top airflow tanks for this purpose. Bottom airflow are often prone to leaking, and when they leak, it goes out of the tank. Advantage with the top airflow is that even if it's leaking, the leak will fall in the bottom cap and you can take it back. You could check tanks like the Geekvape Z Nano 2, the BD Vape Precisio (Blaster Edition) sub-ohm tank or Voopoo Uforce X Nano. My favorite one was the Vaporesso Veco tank but it's not anymore in the market.
Harmalas are quite difficult to vape efficiently in e-juice due to poor solubility in PG/VG substrates, coil clogs quickly. Sublingual remains the best alternative for quick harmalas session. You could also smoke them but I wouldn't recommend it if you are non smoker.

 

[TransistorBass]

+1 on the Geekvape tanks, I've got 2 of them now with the top flow design.

Ditch the VG in your juice mix and it won't be as thick or your 70% VG would be better with 70% PG and 30% VG.

I've been using a Glass Pipe to smoke my Harmalas Freebase, its not that bad of a smoke really, just feels a bit dusty / biscuity 25-40mg is plenty to start with about 20mins before your DMT, its easy to part inhale the harmala powder because its so fine, so as @The Sofa Traveler says sublingual may be best.

 

[Zenocc]

+1 on the Geekvape tanks, I've got 2 of them now with the top flow design.

Ditch the VG in your juice mix and it won't be as thick or your 70% VG would be better with 70% PG and 30% VG.

I've been using a Glass Pipe to smoke my Harmalas Freebase, its not that bad of a smoke really, just feels a bit dusty / biscuity 25-40mg is plenty to start with about 20mins before your DMT, its easy to part inhale the harmala powder because its so fine, so as @The Sofa Traveler says sublingual may be best.

So, like I bought a Popeyes biscuit and ate that bish too fast whike trying to take a breath?

Im not keen on too much smoking/vaping because im a non smoker and always have been.

I also VEHEMENTLY hate to vomit, and getting choked out plus the dipping in and out of elevated states could provoke a little nausea.

I did think about getting a pure PG, or PEG400. My current stuff Fruitia "sweet peach" which is the 70vg30pg.

I definitely dont vape for flavor obviously but I guess the peach hides the spice a little?

So a top flow tank wont have issues of leaking in the same way? As the "maxus" "free max" 100w stock tank? Which has air ports on the bottom of it.

I figured just unscrewing the Nautilus tank to close ports would suit me.

Currently the coil is 0.2 running 28w

 

[TransistorBass]

I have no wish to Vomit either, very occasionally on an extended session with a bit of harmalas I get very brief bit of nausea I simply tell myself it will pass and it does. Personally I don't think this is directly to do with the DMT or Harmalas but rather a drink of cold water hitting my stomach or the fact that I got up to make a cuppa then didn't allow myself to settle down before taking the next hit.

I'm also the same as you that i do not smoke or Vape normally, my medical weed is always Dry Herb Vaped Bud. I practiced Vaping with a mix of PG & VG only to begin with and I found it hard to keep a lung full in without coughing, once i added the Spice to my Juice mix I found I didn't need to cough.

Here's my setup and learning - How to Vape E-Juice - I've never vaped before

I'm using the Zeus setup with a Z0.15 Ohm Coil fitted running at 30 Watt and I've got a curved glass drip-tip fitted to the 2ml Tank which stops spitting getting into your mouth and lets you put lips fully around the glass to avoid that melted lips feeling from the spice.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

So, like I bought a Popeyes biscuit and ate that bish too fast whike trying to take a breath?

Im not keen on too much smoking/vaping because im a non smoker and always have been.

I also VEHEMENTLY hate to vomit, and getting choked out plus the dipping in and out of elevated states could provoke a little nausea.

I did think about getting a pure PG, or PEG400. My current stuff Fruitia "sweet peach" which is the 70vg30pg.

I definitely dont vape for flavor obviously but I guess the peach hides the spice a little?

So a top flow tank wont have issues of leaking in the same way? As the "maxus" "free max" 100w stock tank? Which has air ports on the bottom of it.

I figured just unscrewing the Nautilus tank to close ports would suit me.

Currently the coil is 0.2 running 28w

I'm not sure to understand what you mean, sorry if I misundertood. If you close the airflow holes, no air will go through and your coil will overtheat. Airflow is essential for cooling coil temperature and carrying the aerosol. On some tanks, it may happen that closed airflow let a few air pass through, but if that's the case, it means your e-liquid can pass through as well. Let's not beat around the bush : top airflow is the golden standard for this purpose, they are less prone to leaks, and even if it occurs they leaked, you can retrieve most of the leaked juice settled in the bottom cap, with a syringe if needed. Nothing goes out of the tank unless you store it upside down.
As for the juice : I wouldn't go over 50% VG. VG needs more heat/power for aerosolization than PG, thus you increase the risk of overheating the DMT, which in return could result in nasty plasticky taste and more corrosive aerosol for the lungs. DMT also has lower solubility in VG, it's less suitable for higher DMT cncentration juices. 100% PG is ok and often used for this purpose, especially with small vape pens that need more concentrated juices to compensate weak power. With a subohm tank you definitely don't need 100% PG, which will also be more prone for leaks due to lower viscosity. My personnal feeling is that some VG in the mix helps for better carrier/lungs absorption. Having tried everything from 0 to 70% VG, I stick to 50-50 PG/VG, which remains my standard after 8 years twiddling this stuff using various tanks, settings, PG/VG ratios, DMT/juice ratios, etc. I have separated PG and VG bottles so I can make the exact PG/VG ratio I want.
Aroma is up to you but I usually disadvise using them, proper aerosolization doesn't taste nasty. Also, aroma might hide the overheating as the taste is an indicator when it happens (plasticky/nasty taste).

Personally I don't think this is directly to do with the DMT or Harmalas but rather a drink of cold water hitting my stomach or the fact that I got up to make a cuppa

Harmalas are known to be emetic, as some psychedelics are, especially tryptamines, maybe because they trigger the 5HT3 receptors (I've read that in different places/forums - take it with a grain of salt). And anyway, eating or drinking just before or while on harmalas doesn't help, especially with oral harmalas intake. Standing up too quickly may also trigger nausea, with high harmalas doses I try to stay lying down and avoid sudden movements.

Peace.

 

[TransistorBass]

Standing up too quickly may also trigger nausea, with high harmalas doses I try to stay lying down and avoid sudden movements.

Yep, quick movement has done it for me after being sedentary for a while, also when i take a drink now I keep the water in my mouth for a few moments before swallowing in stages, this seems to cause less shock on the stomach for me rather than just gulping down like I would normally.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Yep, quick movement has done it for me after being sedentary for a while, also when i take a drink now I keep the water in my mouth for a few moments before swallowing in stages, this seems to cause less shock on the stomach for me rather than just gulping down like I would normally.

Yes that's how it goes. Lately with a friend we had a very strong harmalas session together, 400mg each (no psychedelics associated). Oh man, we were literally screwed, the slightest movement made us want to puke. We didn't though, and visual tracers were crazy If we had combined DMT or mushrooms with them, we would have definitely puked. I have puked on psilohuasca more than once.

 

[TransistorBass]

I'm going to have to experiment more with Harmalas, I played around with making a simple tea with ground seeds a bit with up to about 1g.
Though now I have the extracted harmalas i can up the dose, I'd like to try get to 200mg sublingual and see what that brings for me.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

I'm going to have to experiment more with Harmalas, I played around with making a simple tea with ground seeds a bit with up to about 1g.
Though now I have the extracted harmalas i can up the dose, I'd like to try get to 200mg sublingual and see what that brings for me.

Harmalas extracts definitely alleviate the nausea compared to tea, as tannins and other organic gunk that might be present in the tea are one of the reason tea is more nauseous. Thats why, when I used to make teas, I was very careful to filter it properly, through a fabric then a coffee paper filter. 200mg sublingual is quite a strong dose but remains easier to manage than a strong oral dose, this ROA has less of an impact on the digestive tract and a lighter bodyload.

Peace

 

[blig-blug]

I'd like to try get to 200mg sublingual and see what that brings for me

Absorbing that amount sublingually is likely to be difficult but, more importantly, it's a very large dose. If you have only tried orally up to 1g seeds, you should try higher oral amounts before trying 200mg sublingually, or gradually try higher sublingual doses.

Sublingual harmalas tend to be about 4 times stronger than an equivalent oral dose (although the effects are shorter), so in the case 200mg were to be absorbed well sublingually, it would be very strong. Now, I expect that in practice just a small fraction of that would be absorbed sublingually and the rest would be oral, but even just 200mg harmalas orally are much stronger than 1g rue.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

but, more importantly, it's a very large dose

Haha we are synchronous saying that My sublingual sweet spot is around 70mg.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

@blig-blug advices are the good ones. It's better to increase gradually the dose to get used to it. 1g tea would be something like 50mg harmalas (based on an average of 5% alkaloïds) but as said, sublingual requires lower dose than oral ROA so take it in account.

 

[TransistorBass]

Sublingual harmalas tend to be about 4 times stronger than an equivalent oral dose (although the effects are shorter), so in the case 200mg were to be absorbed well sublingually, it would be very strong. Now, I expect that in practice just a small fraction of that would be absorbed sublingually and the rest would be oral, but even just 200mg harmalas orally are much stronger than 1g rue.

Thanks for the tips both you and @The Sofa Traveler

This will be why when i did about 40mg harmalas in a glass pipe i breathed in a bit of the fine powder and had pretty solid MAO inhibitory effects on 2-3 second NN hits as i guess it mostly stuck to my throat and airways.
Yesterday's 30mg properly-Glass-pipe-smoked was way less active than my 40mg dust storm the other week!