Nicotiana Rustica Smoking Prior to DMT

[Mr Machine]

I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but just figured I'd hip you guys/gals on smoking nicotiana rustica tobacco prior to smoking DMT.

Won't get into the details of my experience but I smoked a nicotiana rustica cigarette (made by myself) prior to smoking DMT last Sunday and was "there" for a half an hour. It was amazing.

Nicotiana rustica is commonly smoked by Shaman's during Ayahuasca ceremony's. There is absolutely something to this plant.

From Wiki:

"Nicotiana rustica is often used for entheogenic purposes by South American shamans. It contains up to nine times more nicotine than common species of Nicotiana such as Nicotiana tabacum (common tobacco). Other reasons for its shamanic use are the comparatively high levels of beta-carbolines, including the harmala alkaloids harman and norharman."

So yeah. Highly recommend it! Although I will say if you are a none-smoker it may not be the best idea. Very strong tobacco and could be overwhelming/nausea inducing. As a daily tobacco smoker I actually love the taste and smell and the high nicotine content doesn't bother me one bit (really like it actually and occasionally roll one up just to enjoy without DMT).

Not 100% on the sourcing rules here but nicotiana rustica is readily and easily available for purchase online and you can find it with a simple Google search.

 

[AwesomeUsername]

Never tried it personally, but I would imagine it has some synergy with DMT/ayahuasca.

Shamans don't use this plant for no reason, I'm sure but it always seemed strange to me that they chose any form of tobacco.

Since I'm not a smoker I can't quite imagine mixing something as addictive with something so healing that it literally breaks addictions overnight (not always, but it happens).

This might also be a different story altogether since the only this this stuff has got in common with industrialized cigarettes is the nicotine. This stuff is much more potent and the harmalas could change the nature of the buzz as well, along the fact that it contains no additives and probably isn't even cured.

Could you please elaborate on it a bit?

How would you describe the buzz from mapacho? Is there still an addictive pull from it? Have you tried it with ayahuasca to describe the synergy? Any health risks higher or lower than usual tobacco?

We would really appreciate more info from personal experience. The fact that you had a breakthrough with smoked DMT lasting 30 minutes is astonishing. Are you sure it was N,N-DMT and not 5-Meo-DMT by any chance? It is more common for people to mix them up than someone would think.

 

[Mr Machine]

Could you please elaborate on it a bit?

Sure.

How would you describe the buzz from mapacho? Is there still an addictive pull from it? Have you tried it with ayahuasca to describe the synergy? Any health risks higher or lower than usual tobacco?

Buzz is like a strong nicotine buzz, probably a little more to it due to it's high MAOI properties (compared to normal tobacco) and harmala alkaloids. Feels great to me.

Never done ayahuasca.

Addictive pull? Well sure, it's nicotine. Most people don't get "hooked" on nicotine though from smoking it once in awhile (everyone is different though, if you feel you're so fragile than avoid nicotiana rustica).

Health risks? Yeah, the health risks of smoking one or two cigarettes.

We would really appreciate more info from personal experience. The fact that you had a breakthrough with smoked DMT lasting 30 minutes is astonishing. Are you sure it was N,N-DMT and not 5-Meo-DMT by any chance? It is more common for people to mix them up than someone would think.

Breakthrough lasted 30 minutes on the dot. And I mean from the time I inhaled from my GVG until the time I was "back" (not the afterglow). It was utterly amazing.

And yes, absolutely N,N-DMT. I actually have about 60 5-Meo-DMT experiences under my belt from nearly 15 years ago (back when it was legal and available in the RC market) and know the differences completely. N,N-DMT is what I vaped, which I've been enjoying for awhile now and was given to me by a good friend who extracted it himself.

 

[Noisy]

I'm also experimenting N. Rustica this year, harvested from my garden.

Definitely a master plant! It clears the head when smoked or snorted (I also made Rapé, this could be an interesting ROA for non smokers) alone.

It is really amazing with weed, it potentiates a lot the psychedelic side of cannabis.

I'm going to have a DMT session in the next two weeks, I will try to smoke a good amount of my tabacco prior to vape and will report the results here.

You made me impatient Mr Machine....

 

[Mr Machine]

I'm also experimenting N. Rustica this year, harvested from my garden.

Definitely a master plant! It clears the head when smoked or snorted (I also made Rapé, this could be an interesting ROA for non smokers) alone.

It is really amazing with weed, it potentiates a lot the psychedelic side of cannabis.

I'm going to have a DMT session in the next two weeks, I will try to smoke a good amount of my tabacco prior to vape and will report the results here.

You made me impatient Mr Machine....

Nice! Now you got me interested in Rapé.

That's so rad you grew your own! Might look into that next season. I keep fantasizing about this ethnobotanical garden in my yard. Salvia Divinorum, HBWR, N. Rustica, etc. Might go through with it when spring comes around again. Will be pretty funny though when people like my parents come to visit and I'm all "yeah, those are peppers and those like are this unique variety of basil.." Ha!

It does potentiate a lot of things for sure! I've also smoked N. Rustica before/after cannabis with excellent effect. There is something about this stuff with DMT though. I mean the Shamans didn't just randomly start using the plant in Ayahuasca ceremonies for no reason..

Enjoy your DMT experience in two weeks and please do report back!

 

[Noisy]

So... Better later than never!

I had a few experiments with and without Tobacco these last two months.

I smoked two small pipes of N. Rustica prior to vape each time approximately 30mg of DMT in GVG (each time a DMT from the same batch). Thus far, I vaped 3 times after smoking Tobacco and 3 times without (I drank Passiflora Incarnata infusion instead).

Tobacco doesn't seem to increase peak effect or afterglow duration but it definitely gave to DMT a more "shamanic" tone (I only vape in the forest, it seems to help to communicate with trees :d ). Concerning extended duration, I will try with Rapè or will smoke more Tobacco (since my pipe is a very small one) and report here next year, because my supplies of Tobacco are now empty, some is growing in my garden but I will have to wait a few months before I could smoke it!

Just to know, Mr Machine: do you remember how much DMT do you vaped when I experienced your half hour experience? And by it, did you mean 30 minutes with visuals? Even if I hadn't significative results thus far, I'm sure there is something to discover here!

 

[Sabnock1990]

Addictive pull? Well sure, it's nicotine. Most people don't get "hooked" on nicotine though from smoking it once in awhile (everyone is different though, if you feel you're so fragile than avoid nicotiana rustica).

Actually Nicotine itself doesn't seem to be all that addictive, ime/imo. I gave up Tobacco and instead switched to vaping pure Nicotine e-juice, and i must say, it doesn't seem at all addictive, i don't find it to have that addictive pull, nothing like Tobacco smoking. I find Nicotine's addictiveness to be closer to say Caffeine than Tobacco. I've also began vaping WTA (Whole Tobacco Alkaloid) e-juice instead of pure Nicotine and i do get more of an addictive pull from it compared to pure Nicotine, but still doesn't feel all that addictive at all, mostly just habit forming.

There's definitely something else in Tobacco besides Nicotine that people smoke for and is addictive, but it doesn't appear, to me anyways, that the alkaloids in Tobacco are addictive. I definitely notice more of an addictive pull from Tobacco smoking though, and i've smoked cigs as well as pipe Tobacco, and Mapacho.

As for Tobacco during experiences, it has it's place (mainly for clearing the headspace ime), but i find it not only clears up the headspace but brings me out of the Psychedelic or even Cannabis headspace, so if i get in a little over my head, Tobacco or it's actives can help me out, but i generally prefer Cannabis as it takes me much deeper into the Psychedelic headspace while Tobacco brings me out of it. As for the Harmalas in Mapacho, i'd prefer Rue or Caapi extracted Harmalas if i wanna potentiate the experience.

 

[Northerner]

I can confirm that anecdotally too. Nicotine isn't really that addictive compared to the complete alkaloid profile of tobacco. Once I swapped from ciggies to vaping I found that the addictive pull became much less after about a year. I can go out now and forget my vape and be like "oh well", and not even think about it. I would be timing myself after an hour if I was still a tobacco smoker.

But hey. I smoked casually for a year before I became a daily smoker. It could well have it's place in ceremonies.

 

[syberdelic]

I quit tobacco/nicotine in any form after my first ayahuasca trip. Being in a semi-enclosed space with large amounts of mapacho being consumed along with the rest of the experience was awful. I now associate the smell of tobacco and nicotine with the acrid mapacho smoke combined with the smell of vomit. When I smell it on one of my coworkers, my stomach tightens up a little as I remember the relentless nausea being exacerbated by the horrible smells from every direction.

They kept touting how mapacho wasn't like regular tobacco, but one of the shaman's helpers who smoked alot of it, would cough and hack nearly throughout every ceremony. I'm not going to argue about it. I'll post this and everyone can do with it what they want. Mapacho might be safer and/or less addictive than standard tobacco, but that's like saying vodka is safer than whiskey. You're splitting hairs to justify one thing over another.

That night, I quit alcohol and tobacco. During a harrowing trip that had me convinced that I had just poisoned myself along with 14 other individuals, in my head I was dying. This was actual physical death and not the metaphorical death that others refer to and I am also experienced with on just DMT. I wanted so desperately to have just one more day of life. With every ounce of my being, I regretted taking the ayahuasca along with every other poison that I had ever put in my body up to and including the mapacho cigarette that I smoked during the come up. They told me it would ease the nausea, but it did nothing of the sort.

Mapacho helped me quit my bad habits, but not as a spirit of good intentions. Mapacho showed me that it was yet another poison that has no place in my life. The ayahuasca trip although it was a horrible experience allowed me to see the truths that I already knew but had not yet understood. Mapacho was the evil that ayahuasca exposed as such.

Again, take my words and do with them as you will. Don't try to convince me otherwise. I will not entertain it.

 

[Sabnock1990]

Yeah Tobacco does reek. After i quit Tobacco for my second time i noticed how much my aunts house stunk because of cigs and the smell would be on my clothes, and if i smoked a cig the smell would be on my hands, Tobacco seems to reduce the sense of smell but once you're away from it for awhile your sense of smell comes back and you realize just how badly it stinks.

Mapacho Tobacco is still Tobacco none the less, and if it's used as commercial Tobacco is with cigs, it will still cause the same issues i'm thinking as regular Tobacco does.

At least when it comes to vaping Nicotine or WTA e-juice, there's none of the bad stuff that comes with Tobacco and Nicotine especially doesn't seem like the addictive and poisonous beast that Tobacco is.

My thing is definitely Cannabis, i find the smell/aroma pleasant (though sometimes depending on quality it can stink when burned, or can fill the house with a strong aroma), but it definitely helps with nausea, and takes me deeper into the Psychedelic/Entheogenic headspace, whereas Tobacco and it's alkaloids seems to bring me out of and clears the headspace. Which, i always found it a bit odd that those in the Ayahuasca realm preferred Tobacco over Cannabis. Which Tobacco has it's place, i'll admit, but so does Cannabis, and if i were going to use Tobacco, i'd go for the extracted and vaporized alkaloids or pure Nicotine, which in many ways is a lot safer/healthier than smoking Tobacco.

 

[blue.magic]

I occassionally snort mapacho infusion. Simply cut a small piece from the mapacho roll, put it it hot water for a few hours, then snort about quarter teaspoon in each nostril.

It clears the head immediately and gives tremendous focus.

Sometimes we drop infused mapacho in the eyes. Yes it hurts (can be as strong as Sananga) but the cleanse is thorough and one gets extra rush when the pain subsidizes. So it cleansing but also somewhat pleasurable.