Exp. Report Nightshades as an enhancer / nausea reducer during entheogenic trips

[poporoherbs]

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This report explores how plants from the nightshade family (Solanaceae) can reduce nausea caused by certain substances, plants, and situations during uncomfortable moments, so let's start with the theory.
While nightshades such as Brugmansia, Datura, Solandra, henbane, and jimsonweed, among others, contain alkaloids like atropine and scopolamine, which act as partial acetylcholine blockers, this compound is widely used to treat chronic vomiting, nausea, motion sickness, and vertigo.
Practice:
I scheduled the ingestion of 4 grams of Turbina corymbosa seeds on an empty stomach, washed down with homebrewed kombucha.
After half an hour, I began to experience a lack of coordination, dizziness, nausea, gags, vertigo, excessive salivation, and difficulty moving. I then placed 1 flower in my face mask (for parietal absorption).
After 30 minutes, I started feeling noticeable improvements in the trip: salivation stopped, as did the dizziness and nausea, allowing me to enjoy the experience.
After 1 hour, I noticed aesthetic and sensory enhancements to the trip—visuals became more detailed, and I was immersed in a daydream-like state of dream visions.

 

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Interesting. So, if I understand correctly, there seemed to be effects from just smelling a nightshade flower? What specific plant was it, in this case? If it's effective in that way, it sounds like a safe way to use these plants. Many years ago I did experience the anti-nausea benefits of just three Datura seeds, but oral use is very risky and really should be left for people who absolutely know what they're doing (e.g. the alkaloid content can vary a lot from one plant to another).
It would be interesting to see if smelling the (crushed?) leaves would also work, or not.

 

[poporoherbs]

No, actually the anti-nausea effect for me is strictly oral, by consuming peeled Datura or Brugmansia seeds. Do not exceed 5 seeds per person per species. I will be posting new methods of consumption later.
For this purpose i have used
Datural metel fastuosa
Brugmansia versicolor
Solandra maxima

 

[blig-blug]

In general we discourage sharing oral nightshade doses or discussing the topic too much, as there's a lot of people that don't know what they're doing, and the risks are too high. Obviously nothing wrong with the information itself, and I'm sure you know what you're doing and are experienced, but it's better to avoid discussing oral use, unfortunately

About the flower, what were its effects?

 

[poporoherbs]

I have used solanaceae primarily during trips with ayahuasca, mushrooms, and ololiuqui. I have never used the flower directly because it is associated with blurred vision issues, but I have used green Brugmansia leaves; from Datura, I have only used the seeds.
Datura seems to be much stronger than Brugmansia. In my experience, consuming a small Brugmansia leaf as a decoction diluted 2x is somewhat milder than drinking a concentrated infusion. I never let it boil, nor do I redose on the same day

In general we discourage sharing oral nightshade doses or discussing the topic too much, as there's a lot of people that don't know what they're doing, and the risks are too high. Obviously nothing wrong with the information itself, and I'm sure you know what you're doing and are experienced, but it's better to avoid discussing oral use, unfortunately

About the flower, what were its effects?

Interesting. So, if I understand correctly, there seemed to be effects from just smelling a nightshade flower? What specific plant was it, in this case? If it's effective in that way, it sounds like a safe way to use these plants. Many years ago I did experience the anti-nausea benefits of just three Datura seeds, but oral use is very risky and really should be left for people who absolutely know what they're doing (e.g. the alkaloid content can vary a lot from one plant to another).
It would be interesting to see if smelling the (crushed?) leaves would also work, or not.

 

[doubledog]

Tropane alkaloids are good for antinausea and have some other useful effects, but its use is tricky, especially long term.
They could change your perception and attitude very inconspicuosly and in quite strange way.

 

[northape]

Daturas do mitigate nausea and postpone the purge with rue (and most likely caapi), but that's just the tip of the iceberg.
It's one of the most potent plants out there and gives one strong emotional opening. Most likely, its effect on the acetylcholine system plays
a big role in that. The spirit felt witchy to me, but in a good sense. It's a perfect plant for shadow work and deep immersion in the feminine
side of the psyche. Somehow, I felt that it brings its own light and energy into the experience. Still, it's tricky to work with, and even microdoses are sketchy.
Most likely, I'll revisit this beauty at some point, yet the time is not here yet. I love the plant, and it has a special place in my heart.

 

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Still, it's tricky to work with, and even microdoses are sketchy.
Most likely, I'll revisit this beauty at some point, yet the time is not here yet. I love the plant, and it has a special place in my heart.

Smelling flowers seems like a good way to get acquainted with them without too much risk, seeing that it does seem to have some effects.

 

[northape]

Smelling flowers seems like a good way to get acquainted with them without too much risk, seeing that it does seem to have some effects.

That's the only route I'm comfortable advising in a public space. Daturas are no joke. Just go to Erowid and read a few reports. You know it all

 

[ommani]

My first time drinking Ayahuasca with admixture (Hawaiian chacruna, if I remember correctly), I thought it would be a good idea to add some datura seeds for anti-nausea effects, which thankfully was not fully effective, as I was still able to purge. The following day, my knees were raw from doing some kind of repetitive prostrations while for praying for help from the powers that be… good times haha

 

[doubledog]

Smelling flowers seems like a good way to get acquainted with them without too much risk, seeing that it does seem to have some effects.

Effects from just smelling suggest some volatile essential oils or similar compounds.

 

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Effects from just smelling suggest some volatile essential oils or similar compounds.

Yes, and thus much safer. Less powerful too, of course.

 

[doubledog]

Much safer mostly because effects are not from tropanes as they are not volatile afaik.
I just searched brugmansia/datura essential oils and it seems that they are available.

 

[RitualOpposum]

Isn't topical safer since atropine and hyoscamine don't absorb in skin? I'm far too frightened to use these kinds of plants. I'd preference using lemon balm, cannabis, lemon grass, ginger, drammamine, egg whites (for brewing, cook the egg whites in with your brews to absorb tannins) etc. If one had a scopolomine extract in pure form one could use it in controlled doses. Probably requires PPE to prevent accidental dosing.

I have another reason why I don't like scopolomine, is because people have used it as a date rape drug (Not as common as GHB or even simple alcohol which is the most popular one). Not that that has anything to do with entheogens but it skewed my opinion and made a connotation

My main fear about these plants are overdose, toxicity, and delirium. Not hating the plant as a plant and some people work with it positively.

I think nausea sucks but I also feel like its not a major risk and I would weigh the risk over benefits of using other nausea reducers or progressing through with nausea/purge. With Ayahuasca and likely others such as cactus brews one can add egg whites, boil, separate solids and that greatly reduces nausea

Y its possible that you also absorb some scopolomine topically from the flower in the facemask - it's plausible