Dwhitty76 said:
when taking sublingually,is any maoi required ?
No MAOI is needed, but an MAOI will double the strength of it and make the trip last many times longer
Dwhitty76 said:
I dont know if anyone hear has experience w/rc vendors and i really (right now anyway)dont feel like going through an extraction for meo and have plenty of mhrb so my attention is focussed there with nn.None the less,i would like to try it.
My main concern is the quality and type of meo it is.I know when insufulated (spelling?) dmt,a lot of people prefer it in salt form because,it's not as harsh on shnoz,altough potecy isnt as high.
I'm sure a lot of it depends on the vendor. A certain amount of risk is being taken by putting faith in the person who made it.
SWIM doesn’t like buying things like that unless the vendor is very reliable. He prefers to extract it from chaliponga.
Dwhitty76 said:
Does anyone have experience with these vendors? is 250ml of 5-meo worth $100?
Don’t you mean 250 mg?
Dwhitty76 said:
I'm just trying to weigh out the pros and cons.
If i do it, i probably will follow 69rons advice on insufulation because i have heard mixed stories about smoke 5-meo.I also like the more gradual high that last's longer than a blast that doesnt last as long,although i most likely would try both way's.
The company has been around a while ,so i would assume whoever is extracting knows what they are doing,what do you all think?
Also,what would be a good starting dose,if insufulated (Erowid sais 8mg w/an hr expected trip),sound right?
It’s about 45 minutes normally if it’s freebase, and about 1 hour if it’s a salt form. Up to 3 hours with an MAOI like harmine (that’s from SWIM’s personal experience using 1.5 mg sublingually with 7 mg of freebase harmine). Harmine changes the experience though.
Be careful with 8 mg. That’s a whopping dose for some people. Start with no more than 5 mg for the first try. Also make sure you know what form it is in. 8 mg of freebase 5-MeO-DMT is as strong as 15 mg of 5-MeO-DMT citrate, but also hits you faster and harder so it feels stronger.
The salt forms don’t burn as much, but are less potent for two reasons. First of all, they take longer to absorb, which is actually a plus because that also makes the trip last a little longer, and delays the onset and peak of the experience a little bit. The downside of that is because it takes longer to absorb, it’s slightly less potent. Then the other reason it’s less potent is because, obviously, it’s been made heavier by the addition of an inactive acid. Make sure you find out which salt form it is before using it and calculate out the dose based on that. With 5-MeO-DMT the difference between an 8 mg trip and a 10 mg trip is quite noticeable. While 8 mg might be perfect, 10 mg might feel like an overdose.
With 5-MeO-DMT individual sensitivity varies a lot. 15 mg sublingually (under the tongue) could be a mild dose for some people, and an extremely frightening experience for others.
When SWIM takes only 5 mg of freebase 5-MeO-DMT sublingually with 45 mg of calcium carbonate, it’s a very nice trip for SWIM. That’s enough to really get the feel of it. For SWIM that dose causes strong mental psychedelic effects, mild visual distortion, extreme euphoria, dark closed eye visions (no visuals, just visions), and causes things in his environment to appear to be alive and moving. For example, still photos appear to be 3D and look like they’re breathing, statues seem to be watching you, etc. It’s A LOT OF FUN, especially looking at the old family photo album and seeing all the pictures come to life. Pretty much anything in nature is really fun to look at during the experience.
For SWIM, at higher doses than 5 mg sublingually (under the tongue), the experience starts becoming really strange and nearly impossible to explain in words. Your brain starts working very differently. Abstract thinking starts to kick in big time. It can be far more bazaar than LSD. For SWIM, 5-MeO-DMT is the most mental psychedelic there is.
There’s an aspect to 5-MeO-DMT that is dissociative. When SWIM first tried it, all he got were dissociative effects from it, no psychedelic effects at all. But as he tried it more and more, the psychedelic effects started becoming stronger and the dissociative effects started becoming less noticeable.
The dissociative effects of 5-MeO-DMT allow SWIM to take a pretty strong dose in an uncomfortable environment without causing a bad trip. You feel disconnected slightly from your experience. In this way it is unlike LSD. With LSD, you feel deeply drawn into your environment, and can become very agitated if you’re in an uncomfortable environment. With 5-MeO-DMT, the detached feeling disconnects you from your environment and makes you feel that you are just an observer. This dissociative effect can be very strong in some people and cause what some 5-MeO-DMT users call “THE VOID”, the experience of complete dissociation from everything.
What weird is that, the more SWIM uses 5-MeO-DMT the more psychedelic it is and the less dissociative it is. It’s as if SWIM’s physical reaction to the chemical is changing over time.
