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[Visty]

Well, that was unpleasant.

Since I have trouble breaking through using my machine and my glass pipe, I wanted to learn more about changa. Fine. So I used Melissa Officinalis that I have in my garden and use for tea. In a reckless mood I used some ether and some crumbled herb. In English it is Lemon balm apparently.

Lemon balm - Wikipedia

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It used 0.056 g yellow goo from a final extraction and dissolved it with 0.3 gram leaf. Ether evaporates very quickly, so barely 20 minutes later it is all dry enough to smoke. I pack a small waterpipe. I hit it a few times and so far so good. I get the carrier wave. Fine. Nothing more than that pretty much. I take several deeper hits and then it comes on strong.

But I feel nausea and panic. I can't let go, I want it to be over it just doesn't feel right. Sweaty palms, heart racing I think. I see my ceiling getting some color patterns, but not too intense. I can't sit still, I lie down from my sitting position on my floor. Just for a minute I am held in an unpleasant predicament and then it wears off fast.

That was no good. Maybe some other herb then, from the list in the changa section. And a bigger bong with more water, to make the smoke smoother.

And more meditation. And breathing. But what an ordeal. I need to crossover fast without this phase of panic. No such luck for me

Very tough stuff for me, DMT. It seems a struggle. The mushroom is easier, just eat. I have a good relationship with it. Maybe DMT doesn't prefer to take me?

 

[Felnik]

You have to work on your technique . Starts with making sure your spice is clean . If you have yellow waxy stuff make sure its totally dry and clear of solvents, use a fan for a couple of days if necissary .

Your description sounds like impure spice combined with bad smoking technique .

Get vapor genie , use mullein as carrier herb and nothing else for starters . Work gradually. Slowly increase dose .

Make sure of good set setting.

It should feel good not toxic.

In the beginning focus specifically in the physical feelings. Keep eyes open at first use
Something in front as visual reference to guage intensity .
Painting , tree, rock surface is good .

Good luck

 

[3rdI]

stop trying so hard to breakthrough, all good things come to those who wait.

 

[Pup Tentacle]

stop trying so hard to breakthrough, all good things come to those who wait.

Being pretty newby this has been my experience. Having done the deed 10-12 times now I've yet to "break through". Good settings, good vibes, the experiences have been good (although I'm all too aware that can change at any moment). I just haven't gotten past the Sacred G Gate (that's what I'm calling from now on). My lady shot through to fairy-land on her third try. It's all just sooooo personal, the experience, the aftereffects, everything, that I detached from expectaion after about the 5th go. When the spice kicks me through the gate, that's when I go. I find it VERY like meditation in that I MUST not attach myself to ANY outcome in order for the groove to flow. The phrase "control is an illusion" comes to mind and NOTHING illustrates that concept for me better than a white-knuckle spice ride.

Pleasant journeys and blessings


On a side note... having been using the word "spice" in a sacred-ish way for several weeks now has made me want to re-read Dune.

 

[xantho]

Unless you added harmalas to the mix and failed to mention it in your post, what you smoked is enhanced leaf and not changa. Changa contains MAOIs, often provided in the form of B. caapi leaf. The wiki entry about changa has a lot of great information and offers a list of commonly used herbs, their basic effects, as well as a number of blends listed by composition.

I am only beginning to get to know changa but I have followed the advice given by several members on this forum and begin my sessions with a seated meditation to reach a relaxed and relatively detached state before contact is established. Let it flow. If now is not the right time, don't try and force a relationship. Patience Take care and enjoy life.

 

[xantho]

Another option is to get to know Melissa officinalis by herself. I have recently added this plant to my garden and find that a joint of dried leaf is harsh but offers a pleasant lemon flavour. The plant has very definite psychoactive properties that you might enjoy exploring. I generally find it to produce bodily relaxation, distracted introspection, and a strong desire to get into my cosy bed. When I have more dried material I plan on including it in a delicious night-time tea blend.

 

[kuro]

That was no good

 

[Deathalizer]

I was just thinking about watching the movie dune when I read that...

 

[Spacewalker]

The only way i have smoked is freebasing or with some hash. I found that in a room that is completely pitch black it is much easier for me to break through. Make sure you have some calming music, a comfortable bed/love seat with some warm blankets, and a place to put the pipe if you don't have a friend to take it from you. Also if you have people in the room with you ask them to be completely silent. Distractions like that keep you in the mortal world.

Good luck. Hope the big day is a pleasant one:wink:

 

[Volo]

It is me, Visty,

Thanks for your replies and advice, I appreciate it.

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[BananaForeskin]

Visty, there's something you have to realize about herbs in changa/enhanced leaf blends: using a specific herb with DMT tends to drastically potentiate the effects of that herb, and because of this you have to be somewhat careful when experimenting with new blends.

Lemon balm has a large number of psychoactive qualities, and I know from personal experience with it that taking too much could easily result in more unpleasant side effects... this is true with a lot of mildly psychoactive garden herbs that are used in medicinal teas and the like. I speak from experience. You have to take it slow! These plants are gentle healers, take too much and they'll usually turn on you.

You really should get some b. caapi leaves to work with, caapi leaves can't be beat when it comes to changa/enhanced leaf. If that's a step too far for you at the moment, try using a neutral herb like mullein (verbascum?) as the base for your blend, then add smaller amounts of melissa, mint, etc until you find the right ratio for you.

Working that way reduces the chance of unpleasant surprises to a minimum. Good luck!

EDIT: You also mentioned harshness, mint and mullein will take care of that for you

 

[sidefx]

my friend makes changa blends and all it is is usally a blend of leaf and flowers from the tree they use to get the DMT they mix dry material and soak it in a good vodka which has DMT crystal dissolved in it, it evaporates or they can heat it a little and the leaf contains the DMT. they make their blend 30% - 40% DMT. awesome.


you can add Syrian Rue which helps a lot in making the mix smoother and some say it effects the trip as well making it longer and more colour full, i am yet to decide on these differences as i am still simply admiring.

 

[sidefx]

my friend makes Changa 'Dream time' blends and all it is, is usually a blend of leaf and flowers from the tree they use to get the DMT they mix dry material she likes to put in mint leaves and soak it in a good vodka which has DMT crystal dissolved in it, it evaporates or they can heat it a little and then the leaf contains the DMT. they make their blend 30% - 40% DMT. awesome.


you can add Syrian Rue which helps a lot in making the mix smoother and some say it effects the trip as well making it longer and more colour full, i am yet to decide on these differences as i am still simply admiring.

also passion flower can be added.

if you smoke a cone of syrian rue seeds while straight it is smooth and gives a slight euphoric feeling like your spirit is lifted, a very lucid feeling.

i have spoken to a person very Experienced with DMT and Ayahuasca and he very much recommended trying both the DMT and the carpi vine and syrian rue seprately.