NO memory

[digglover]

Hola~
A friend of mine is wanting some opinions on this before embarking on his 3rd DMT journey this weekend.

He has vaporized DMT twice now with eyeballed/weighed doses. He is using a scale accurate to 10mg. So the doses were no doubt between 40-60mg. It's really impossible to say.

Both times though, he has taken 2 or 3 big hits leaving the vaporizer empty (except for the tinyest of marijuana for it to sit on). By the third hit he feels the biggest rush as he blasts off into hyperspace.

His eyes close and then 5 minutes later (timed by a friend in the room) they open to the most amazing neon visuals and intriguing mental clarity and sense of inner calm. And yet their is NO memory of the trance state. In fact, too my friend, the experience goes something like this.

Take Hits -> Close Eyes -> Open eyes 1 second later -> Go back to normal.
As you can see, to him their is in fact NO trance state. It simply feels like his eyes close and open.

Absolutely ZERO recall. The trance state never happened to him.

Is he going too deep into hyperspace? Is the DMT somehow affecting him differently than others?
He wishes he had more time to experiment...

 

[Big Inhale]

Try smokimng a little less. Start small then work your way up. Try 20mg first then increase by 10mg mabe even 5mg untill you hit your sweet spot.

 

[soulfood]

I'm starting to swear by this more and more. When you're first starting out, load up 20mg's and rather than upping the dose, learn to smoke 20mg more efficently. Out of the folk I've turned on to this stuff there's not 1 who couldn't get mind blowing effects off of 20-30mg's

 

[gibran2]

Dr. Strassman (DMT The Spirit Molecule) concluded that 0.4mg/kg was a high dose for almost all of his research subjects. So for an adult of average weight, let’s say 70kg, a high dose would be 28mg (which happens to be a high dose for me).

If your smoking technique is good, and it sounds like yours is, then a much lower dose would make sense.

 

[Pandora]

Hola digglover,

I think the suggestions about low or pre-dosing are good. Your friend should practice remembering experiences that do not induce a full-blown trance in him/her.

One thing I do that might work a bit for SWIY is when I am preparing to launch I ask/pray for memory and learning. I do not ask for anything more specific than that and I always request memory first as I am hopeful that with memory intact, learning can occur on a more conscious level of my mind. Thus, during my launch I have primed my mind to be trying to make an effort to remember.

Also, when I emerge from the trance, that is when the visions recede and I realize I am back in my body, I begin speaking softly out loud. I am still tripping hard. The blindfold is still on. But, I am mumbling about what I saw. This "consolidation" process helps to completely "write" the memories "to disk." If I do not do this, I remember less. So coming out of trance I might be mumbling things like, "Rainbow polyhedrons in black hole with dancing entities . . . spinning. . . thought I saw my grandfather . . . " and other such things. A few repetitions is all it takes.

Maybe try these techniques, working your way up from smaller to larger doses?

I'd love to hear what you decide and how it goes for you.

Peace & Love,
Pandora

 

[acolon_5]

I am stronlgy against low dosing.....However, in your friends case it certianly sounds like way too much spice.

There are a few people that require very little spice to achive deep states...your friend might be one of these.

Try 20mgs
Try 30mgs
Try 40mgs

See where your friends level of blackouts occur and stay under those doses.

Another suggestion is to predose with THH, Harmine, or Harmaline. This may increase the duration of the experience, and much less spice will be needed, but many people report much better recall when using THH or other harmaloid in conjunction with DMT.

 

[Big Inhale]

Dr. Strassman (DMT The Spirit Molecule) concluded that 0.4mg/kg was a high dose for almost all of his research subjects. So for an adult of average weight, let’s say 70kg, a high dose would be 28mg (which happens to be a high dose for me).

If your smoking technique is good, and it sounds like yours is, then a much lower dose would make sense.

I think he was usingdmt salt not free base so i think the weight would be a little different. Not sure by how much.

 

[gibran2]

I think he was usingdmt salt not free base so i think the weight would be a little different. Not sure by how much.

It’s been awhile since I read the book, but you’re correct – he (Strassman) used DMT fumarate in the tests. I think the doses were measured in freebase equivalent. If not, the dose of DMT freebase would be even less than 0.4mg/kg.

 

[tryptographer]

I've had occasions when hyperspace memories were deliberately shut off by 'entities'. I remember thinking 'this is unforgettable and beyond incredible, part of my life' and then - click gone, access denied. Not enough praying for remembering I suppose
On another occasion, I asked something like 'How to take this back??' and it replied by shooting a bolt of lightning straight at my heart.

It's quite possible that the memories are still there in the database, waiting for access! People often describe their launches as returning home, information floods... I had moments when I couldn't believe I forgot this! But what???

 

[Bill Cipher]

gibran2 - Strassman's dosage range was for fumarate salt (not measured in freebase equivalent), but it was also administered intravenously - and there is a HUGE difference between this and vaporizing.

If you IV 28 mgs, you're gettin' 28 mgs - hitting full force all at once. If you vaporize this amount, who really knows? Is your technique absolutely spot-on perfect? Are you able to hold each inhallation until the vapor is 100% absorbed by your lung tissue? Can you be sure you're ingesting the entire amount before tolerance begins setting in? It's apples and oranges. No one calculates their vaporized doses by body weight because it's just not a method of administration which lends itself to this approach. People use 40-60 mgs as a general benchmark of how to achieve a "breakthrough", but techniques and individual physiologies differ, and the term itself is subjective. Many can do it with half this amount, some with even less.

digglover - If what you are experiencing is really a blackout (as opposed to the same general inability to recollect details that most of us experience), I agree that you should reduce the dose until you find your own personal sweet spot.

 

[digglover]

digglover - If what you are experiencing is really a blackout (as opposed to the same general inability to recollect details that most of us experience), I agree that you should reduce the dose until you find your own personal sweet spot.

I think it is. I just read the beginning of The Spirit Molecule where the .6mg/kg trials are done. The reports they gave are very, very similar to mine.
I will let the nexus know how my next journey goes.