no56k, M. Hostilis powder,H2SO4,Na2CO3,Acetone, evap quest

[NetG]

I left the H. hostilis powdered root bark sit in sulfuric acid for a couple days, shaking off and on.
Filled mason jar with enough acid so that it was 1/3 bark 2/3 acid.
This gave a DARK red (black) sludge and red fluid (separated).
coffee filtered fluid to get red fluid only. took sludge and placed in fresh acid.
Confirmed red fluid is acidic.
Next added the sodium carbonate
(made by heating sodium bicarb at 500*F for >30min)
Na2CO3 was added until solution stopped fizzing. formed a thick gray fluid, but very viscous, not thick, did not resist stirring
Confirmed fluid is alkaline.
after setting there were then two layers...no siphoning or filtering done here.
Next added (all to same container) acetone and vigorously shook.
This left three distinct layer; bottom appeared to be Na2CO3 gray material, middle layer was black sludge, top layer was tan/brown acetone...resisted stirring a little.
Acetone siphoned off, filtered...only clear layers were kept.

the syringe is for NS but was emptied, filled straight from mason jar, but it shows how it appears...in my's opinion...quit diluted.

I placed a plate with a pool of brown acetone and a mason jar half filled with brown acetone in the oven set to 280*F and as dry layers appeared around edges of fluid on the plate warm fluid from mason jar in oven was lightly applied to edges...this caused the center to grow darker and darker, the edges remained nearly clear (until dried, then brownish)
Here is another pic...This was done 5-7x's so far

btw...the plate is flat, the outside is freshly added dilute solution, the center is not more fluid but more concentrated.

curious
1. what exactly do I have here? DMT dissolved in acetone? Forming fast flakes of dmt crystal from fast evap?
2. By darkening the center through evap really concentrating dmt levels in the center?
If yes How much darker should I let it get?
If no should it go through a fresh acetone/coffee filter bath top layer only pull off?
If no...does it really affect the end viability?
3. can I place these concentrated "flakes" and place with some tobacco or other herbs and smoke or will it need to have its form altered again.
4. I'm assuming this will form a yellow sludge, yes
5. can it be smoked as is once the acetone dries out?
Appreciate any help

 

[SnozzleBerry]

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uh...this isn't a picture of their stuff...SWIM added food coloring to water to make identical colors...that's what these pics are of...:?: not ACTUAL extract...but the color and appearance are just spot on,...

Swim is curious...(if that colored water there looked identical to the REAL stuff swim saw)
1. what exactly does Swim have? DMT dissolved in acetone? Forming fast flakes of dmt crystal from fast evap?
2. is Swim really concentrating dmt levels in the center?
If yes How much darker should Swim let it get?
If no should it go through a fresh acetone/coffee filter bath top layer only pull off?
If no...does it really affect the end viability?
3. can Swim place these concentrated "flakes" and place with some tobacco or other herbs and smoke or will it need to have its form altered again.

1. How could it be DMT in acetone? You yourself said it's just colored water.
2. How can you concentrate DMT levels in colored water?
3. I wouldn't smoke colored water "flakes"

Personally, I find swimming and cryptic posts a turn-off and counterproductive to actual discussion, but that's just me.

 

[3rdI]

what crazy tek are you following?

 

[NetG]

*facepalms

Fixed.

I'm modifying a few teks to suite my chemical availability...also powdered root bark came from online source with good ratings...again...first time here. Sulfuric acid is all I can get, Acetone is all I can get, and sodium carbonate is all I can get...from what I've read it should work. I slacked on filtration of particulates so I expect some impurities. This is my first attempt so I could be so wrong it hurts...wondering if I have ANYthing there or just a bunch of wasted products

Keeping the oven below DMT boiling point but above acetones

 

[3rdI]

you dont need to put acetone in the oven, it evaps pretty fast if you stick a fan on it.

could you really not find distilled vinegar and lighter fluid?

 

[Vodsel]

The fact DMT freebase dissolves in acetone does not imply acetone is good for pulling. I'm pasting this you can find doing a simple search.

There is not much reason in using acetone to pull from a basic solution because acetone is for most of the times miscible with water. This means that no layers will separate. In reality acetone separates out of aqueous solution of high ionic strength however separation is never complete and therefore there is not much use; some water will always be present in the acetone fraction.

I guess you'll have to evaporate everything to recover whatever you have in there, dissolve again, pull again with proper solvent. And even so, I don't know of anyone using sulfuric acid and sodium carbonate in an A/B... getting fine plant material is good, but the rest of ingredients are just as important. Unless I was a chemist, I wouldn't experiment and I'd stick to the teks that work.

Good luck.

 

[Eliyahu]

NetG Wrote:

Sulfuric acid is all I can get, Acetone is all I can get, and sodium carbonate is all I can get

This makes no sense. Where do you live? The moon?. NO grocery stores, Hardware stores, Wal-mart type stores or even gas stations anywhere near you???

As far as I am aware Citric acid or ascorbic acid or even Vinegar are easy to get. Also pickling lime and Naptha are incredibly simple items to obtain for most of the civilized world.

I don't believe sodium carbonate is strong enough to do what your trying to do.. You would at the very least need pickling lime to basify to a sufficiently high ph that will convert your spice to freebase.

If I were you I would evap everything out and start over from scratch....

Try using a A/B style dry tek, it's way easier than what ever it is your trying to pull of with the acetone and all of that.

 

[NetG]

NetG Wrote:

Sulfuric acid is all I can get, Acetone is all I can get, and sodium carbonate is all I can get

This makes no sense. Where do you live? The moon?. NO grocery stores, Hardware stores, Wal-mart type stores or even gas stations anywhere near you???

As far as I am aware Citric acid or ascorbic acid or even Vinegar are easy to get. Also pickling lime and Naptha are incredibly simple items to obtain for most of the civilized world.

I don't believe sodium carbonate is strong enough to do what your trying to do.. You would at the very least need pickling lime to basify to a sufficiently high ph that will convert your spice to freebase.

If I were you I would evap everything out and start over from scratch....

Try using a A/B style dry tek, it's way easier than what ever it is your trying to pull of with the acetone and all of that.

actually the teks I've found all said the opposite...acetone was taughted as superior.

no single tek has all the needed info. For someone who has not done this before they leave some things to be assumed.

When I made the statement "all I can get" I thought that was pretty clear enough.

Naptha is NOT sold around me
Lye is not sold near me
No tek I've read has spoken highly of using vinegar...perhaphs you all could direct me to a better tek but I've looked at all of erowinds and the ones here...all leave something to be desired. Either a specific aspect of a step is left out or a chemical listed I can not get.

All the chemical I used I searched first and have found info stating they work just fine.
sodium carbonate has a ph of >10 in a water solution, how is that not "strong" enough?

I was hoping someone could infer from exp and look at what I've got here and give me an idea of whether it IS working or not. Guess I'll just have to find out myself :?


let me clarify, I'm not saying my method is right, I'm saying I didn't have access to many of the chemicals listed (no they are not sold in my area don't ask me why I don't know) so I used what I found to be supposedly good alternatives...if not fine this will be a lost but if they work fine then all I care about is am I pulling DMT or not?

 

[NetG]

damn psych meds don't f#$%# work...can't smoke real weed...synthetics are gone...I'm out of my other shit...don't have the best stuff to extract but...well figured I'd have a go. Was hoping this stuff could give me the amazing...experience?...I had when I major od'd on jwh-18...vapped for the first time...accidentally bumped my bag while loading my costume made pipe. Wow! I'm having...a spiritual brick wall...the fake stuff gets me aware of that type of experience but nothing close in relation...plus I don't know what's in that crap :-D

Grrr...I'll take your advice and try to start over with this batch or just start all over...hey first time fail not bad thanks

 

[3rdI]

It might be good you failed, the universe might be telling you something.

 

[Eliyahu]

actually the teks I've found all said the opposite...acetone was taughted as superior.

no single tek has all the needed info. For someone who has not done this before they leave some things to be assumed.

When I made the statement "all I can get" I thought that was pretty clear enough.

Naptha is NOT sold around me
Lye is not sold near me
No tek I've read has spoken highly of using vinegar...perhaphs you all could direct me to a better tek but I've looked at all of erowinds and the ones here...all leave something to be desired. Either a specific aspect of a step is left out or a chemical listed I can not get.

All the chemical I used I searched first and have found info stating they work just fine.
sodium carbonate has a ph of >10 in a water solution, how is that not "strong" enough?

I was hoping someone could infer from exp and look at what I've got here and give me an idea of whether it IS working or not. Guess I'll just have to find out myself

let me clarify, I'm not saying my method is right, I'm saying I didn't have access to many of the chemicals listed (no they are not sold in my area don't ask me why I don't know) so I used what I found to be supposedly good alternatives...if not fine this will be a lost but if they work fine then all I care about is am I pulling DMT or not?

NetG also Wrote:
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damn psych meds don't f#$%# work...can't smoke real weed...synthetics are gone...I'm out of my other shit...don't have the best stuff to extract but...well figured I'd have a go. Was hoping this stuff could give me the amazing...experience?...I had when I major od'd on jwh-18...vapped for the first time...accidentally bumped my bag while loading my costume made pipe. Wow! I'm having...a spiritual brick wall...the fake stuff gets me aware of that type of experience but nothing close in relation...plus I don't know what's in that crap :-D

Grrr...I'll take your advice and try to start over with this batch or just start all over...hey first time fail not bad thanks

3rdI wrote:

It might be good you failed, the universe might be telling you something.

I'm afraid I have to second that, your answer to my post just demonstrates your lack of understanding on the matter. I almost regret laying out all the answers so completely for you in my above post. I'm guessing it's a good thing you couldn't make heads or tails of what I wrote you.....

I also don't buy the fact you can't get to a grocery store or whatever to obtain the simple ingredients needed, there must be more going on here. Sounds to me like you might be trying to work around your parents or something. Either way IMO your attitude and intentions at this point does not seem all that spice worthy.

Good luck on that superior acetone tek.

 

[NetG]

Is this not the general tek section where people go to ask about the technical aspect of extraction? Is there some part to my experiment (it is not a tek by far) that is not working as I believe it to be?

I have read every reason why NOT to take DMT, I have read many things...this is my journey and I am here. None of that matters because I came to THIS section for ONE reason, SHOULD my technique work? Please refrain from commenting or sharing your opinions of my life and my person. If I need any more advice regarding those aspects of myself I have plenty of resources at my disposal.

My purpose posting here was because of the supplies available to me my resources could not answer my questions...so I asked them here. Please do not waste further time telling me how you disapprove of me...I am not here for your approval, nor do I require/want it, I appreciate the sincere concern shown but I came to a technical thread to ask technical questions...not to dig deep into my psyche...I believe there is already a section for that.

I have no desire to explain WHY my path has brought me here as it is a deeply personal matter and will not explain further.

Please limit your replies to technical discussion, as per the INTENT of this section...if that is not this sections intent then I will remove this posting...simple.

It might be good you failed, the universe might be telling you something.

I appreciate your sincere concern; my journey is my own and it has led me here, that your universe has taught you to give up after your FIRST attempt is...the exact opposite of what I have learned in my existence. Thank you for sharing your opinion but as this is the general extraction tek thread please limit your posts to helpful, technical information only. If I want opinions on my life, choices, and the path my journey has taken thus far I will find the appropriate section.

The fact DMT freebase dissolves in acetone does not imply acetone is good for pulling. I'm pasting this you can find doing a simple search.

I have come across that info, thanks though. Acetone DOES pull it though correct? This is what I've found in my searching. It isn't as if the acetone will not work...it's just a different method. Also NaCO3 does not dissolve in acetone so it is easy to remove when using acetone. As for water and acetone, both evaporate away so I am not concerned with that.

I'm afraid I have to second that, your answer to my post just demonstrates your lack of understanding on the matter. I almost regret laying out all the answers so completely for you in my above post. I'm guessing it's a good thing you couldn't make heads or tails of what I wrote you.....

I also don't buy the fact you can't get to a grocery store or whatever to obtain the simple ingredients needed, there must be more going on here. Sounds to me like you might be trying to work around your parents or something. Either way IMO your attitude and intentions at this point does not seem all that spice worthy.

Good luck on that superior acetone tek.

I actually said my procedure is NOT superior. I am using what is available to me not what I believe to be best.

I cannot help that you are unable to comprehend that lye and naptha are not sold in my area...I do not know any other way of relating this information to you other than to type out again (3 time now?) they are not sold near me. That is as simply as I can state it.

 

[Vodsel]

Acetone DOES pull it though correct? This is what I've found in my searching. It isn't as if the acetone will not work...it's just a different method. Also NaCO3 does not dissolve in acetone so it is easy to remove when using acetone. As for water and acetone, both evaporate away so I am not concerned with that.

NetG, the problem with having water that comes from a MHRB-Sulfuric Acid-Sodium Carbonate admixture inside of your acetone is not the water itself. As you suggest, the H2O will evaporate eventually. But there are most likely other substances that were dissolved IN the water, not in the acetone, other than the freebase DMT (non soluble in water). That means these compounds will be left behind once the acetone and the water evaporate in your dish, and the result of the evaporation will not only be whatever amount of basified DMT you pulled, but also some acetates and other compounds.

No matter how you put it, the method you described is suboptimal. If acetone was okay to use as a non polar solvent for pulling, people would not bother to get other NP solvents that are more tricky to work with, more expensive, and often more toxic. Users in this community do not stick with some teks because they are cool, or because X says so, but because they work and have been extensively tried by many. Trying is cool, but if several people tell you that's not the way to go, and you don't seem to receive the message, and besides you write things like this

damn psych meds don't f#$%# work...can't smoke real weed...synthetics are gone...I'm out of my other shit...don't have the best stuff to extract but...well figured I'd have a go. Was hoping this stuff could give me the amazing...experience?...I had when I major od'd on jwh-18...vapped for the first time...accidentally bumped my bag while loading my costume made pipe. Wow! I'm having...a spiritual brick wall...the fake stuff gets me aware of that type of experience but nothing close in relation...plus I don't know what's in that crap :-D

It basically reads like all you want is some shit to get high with, and you are not really caring much about how to get there. And for most of the users of this community, that's not something we can sympathize with.

 

[NetG]

Acetone DOES pull it though correct? This is what I've found in my searching. It isn't as if the acetone will not work...it's just a different method. Also NaCO3 does not dissolve in acetone so it is easy to remove when using acetone. As for water and acetone, both evaporate away so I am not concerned with that.

NetG, the problem with having water that comes from a MHRB-Sulfuric Acid-Sodium Carbonate admixture inside of your acetone is not the water itself. As you suggest, the H2O will evaporate eventually. But there are most likely other substances that were dissolved IN the water, not in the acetone, other than the freebase DMT (non soluble in water). That means these compounds will be left behind once the acetone and the water evaporate in your dish, and the result of the evaporation will not only be whatever amount of basified DMT you pulled, but also some acetates and other compounds.

No matter how you put it, the method you described is suboptimal. If acetone was okay to use as a non polar solvent for pulling, people would not bother to get other NP solvents that are more tricky to work with, more expensive, and often more toxic. Users in this community do not stick with some teks because they are cool, or because X says so, but because they work and have been extensively tried by many. Trying is cool, but if several people tell you that's not the way to go, and you don't seem to receive the message, and besides you write things like this

damn psych meds don't f#$%# work...can't smoke real weed...synthetics are gone...I'm out of my other shit...don't have the best stuff to extract but...well figured I'd have a go. Was hoping this stuff could give me the amazing...experience?...I had when I major od'd on jwh-18...vapped for the first time...accidentally bumped my bag while loading my costume made pipe. Wow! I'm having...a spiritual brick wall...the fake stuff gets me aware of that type of experience but nothing close in relation...plus I don't know what's in that crap :-D

It basically reads like all you want is some shit to get high with, and you are not really caring much about how to get there. And for most of the users of this community, that's not something we can sympathize with.

Ah, thank you for explaining about the acetone. Not a good technique at all in that case. I will find a way to acquire the optimal supplies for this...but later, maybe the universe is saying something maybe not, but caution IS always best

Also, I understand why responders took that paragraph as they did...it does come across only in that way. Apologies, regardless of my intent I worded that terribly and only I am at fault there.

To follow the "attitude" rules better, I will expound on why I am on DMT-Nexus and exploring the use of DMT;
I did enjoy the euphoria associated with cannabis (and the synthetics) and used lower dosages of it (and the synthetics) to give myself that euphoria for purely pleasure, I see nothing wrong with this. However it was the accidental high dose that caused the removal of myself from reality (I swear I literally melted into my couch, and experienced at least 3 different deaths, each was very realistic). Once I regained my composure I found it let me see myself and the world...even the universe...in ways I never had before. Once I experience this the euphoria was no longer desired, sure it was nice (and I did still get it on occasion) but it was that removal from myself I longed for. Eventually I found that even the most extreme experience's with either naturally occurring "aids" and some synthetics only seemed to open my mind to a small window or puzzle pieces (not speaking of a literal visual just being metaphoric ) There was always something else just at my finger tips...like jumping on a trampoline I raced towards my goal...but gravity pulled me back away from it. From what I've read about DMT it was EXACTLY what I was searching for...natural...does not cause physical harm to the body...and deeply introspective...a rocket to my trampoline. I am at a point where I have done all the talking about my life/issues etc that I care to ever do again. Those I have discussed my thoughts on life with can only shrug their shoulders at my questions. Which is why I am put off at discussing it, still, no excuse for tactlessness.

I have found that I find the best answers and even better questions when I utilize only what is in my own mind first (I research something then probe my mind later). I bounce my ideas off those I trust will be honest with me, after all, if all I use is my own mind I'm limiting myself quit a bit. But...I still want to probe my mind as deeply as I can, and to be honest, all the aspects of DMT use only draw me more to it.

I make a strong habit of deep introspection. While I try to see myself as objectively as possible I cannot help but be biased...and I have hit a roadblock. I have explored myself as much as I can, I have learned about how the body works, how the mind works, and how it defines who we are individually. Mostly I am struggling with the spiritual aspects of my life and what I am searching for now is something deeply internal and spiritual. If it is only one of those that will more than suffice. I am not into mysticism at all, though being somewhat spiritual I suppose that means I am, or at least that I can appreciate it.

That being said, I have decided to explore some other...less...extreme spiritual experiences/journeys before I jump into what perhaps would be the most profound experience thus far in my life. Perhaps I do need to walk a bit more along my path before using this aid. I will do as I have done thus far, take the advice of those more exp. I shouldn't be in any rush, that would be the opposite mindset I need in order to get the most from the experience.

Thank you again and, once more, apologies for my non dmt-nexus attitude.

 

[Vodsel]

Thanks to you for your comment.

No worries, you certainly did not break any community rules or anything. But as you said, your first posts suggested a combo of unsafe extraction method with non-too-healthy approach to spice, and that kind of made our spider sense tingle.

Take your time, keep in mind that we keep learning and re-drawing our maps continously, and that spice is only another tool. A hell of a tool, yes. But the way we get there can be as important as the destination itself.

Be safe, keep reading and welcome to the community.