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Nomans tek low yeild
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@stinkyfish .. the members here are rightly expressing their concern for your situation. It is never nice to read that somebody is having a difficult time - and when suicide is mentioned I think most of us would agree that if we can help steer people away from that idea and towards a happy meaningful existence then we should do so. You did also bring it up.. I'm really sorry to hear you are not happy..
As far as teks go I agree that your best to just learn the chemistry and not rely on following teks.. 'to the tee' instructions are always subject to variability in plant material and quality of chemicals and equipment used.
As far as teks go I agree that your best to just learn the chemistry and not rely on following teks.. 'to the tee' instructions are always subject to variability in plant material and quality of chemicals and equipment used.
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Sorry for telling the truth. I was brought up to tell the truth. I don't want help, I wanted to know about my yields. That is all. Our life is our choice.
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No need to apologize.. just saying people here are concerned and just trying to help is all.
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Made some today but used a little less lye and heated the heptane in a hot bath. We will see how it turns out.
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Heres the outcome
Looks pretty good!
Have you weighed it? And how much starting material was this from? You were keen to improve your yield, so these would be important metrics to consider.
As appears to be my habit, I'll make a wild guess that you transferred the naphtha fairly promptly to the freezer? This would be one possible cause of the (apparently) small crystal size. If your home situation isn't amenable to leaving containers of solvent standing around on the work surface or in the fridge, using some kind of insulation to slow down the rate of cooling of the solvent will help in growing larger crystals. A suitable piece of styrofoam packaging, cloth or paper towels, or even bubble wrap would do the job. With loose material it's best to use a secondary container for convenience of handling. Large crystals may not have been your goal, but they're easier to collect than a fine, powdery product.
Of course, you may have collected your product by evaporation of the solvent - in which case, slower evaporation is what leads to larger crystals. @The Traveler's trick for this is to stretch a piece of Saran wrap over the container, with a tiny pinprick to let the solvent vapours diffuse out super-slowly.
So, it would be great to hear a few more precise details of exactly what you did during your extraction so we can home in on possible areas for improvement - if this even turns out to be the case once you've calculated your percentage yield.
Have you weighed it? And how much starting material was this from? You were keen to improve your yield, so these would be important metrics to consider.
As appears to be my habit, I'll make a wild guess that you transferred the naphtha fairly promptly to the freezer? This would be one possible cause of the (apparently) small crystal size. If your home situation isn't amenable to leaving containers of solvent standing around on the work surface or in the fridge, using some kind of insulation to slow down the rate of cooling of the solvent will help in growing larger crystals. A suitable piece of styrofoam packaging, cloth or paper towels, or even bubble wrap would do the job. With loose material it's best to use a secondary container for convenience of handling. Large crystals may not have been your goal, but they're easier to collect than a fine, powdery product.
Of course, you may have collected your product by evaporation of the solvent - in which case, slower evaporation is what leads to larger crystals. @The Traveler's trick for this is to stretch a piece of Saran wrap over the container, with a tiny pinprick to let the solvent vapours diffuse out super-slowly.
So, it would be great to hear a few more precise details of exactly what you did during your extraction so we can home in on possible areas for improvement - if this even turns out to be the case once you've calculated your percentage yield.
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Sorry for the delayed time. Have been busy paying my bosses mortgage, bills and car payments. Starting material was 110 grams of powdered bark, 85 grams of lye and 1500ml water from a spring.After adding the bark to the lye water, left it for 3 days and shook every couple of hours. Then did a hot bath with the heptane with 100ml, after put in a 125ml mini Mason jar and put in the freezer immediately. Left in freezer for 3 days.
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Any more results to report? Should be ready to come out of the freezer..
Just the one pull? With that volume of heptane you'd want to do about five separate pulls.
If your total amount of product starts to exceed 1.3g you can begin to feel satisfied. 3 grams would be exceptional but not impossible.
Has the problem with your yield simply been a case of you doing only one pull per extraction?
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Sorry, did 4 pulls and 1.8 grams was the weight.
We've had a significant amount of discussion on the forum lately regarding the use of a xylene pull for increasing the yield at the end of an extraction, so you might want to look into that. If you're really extracting from the same bark that should be yielding ~60% more than your current results, this would be one way towards achieving that.
As you may be aware, freeze precipitation doesn't work for xylene. Do let me know if there's anything more you'd like to find out about this method.
Does the resulting material have the same activity level? 20mg xylene same as 20mg heptane salts?
I've never (knowingly) tried xylene-extracted material, but this would broadly seem to be the case. At least one anecdotal report indicates - indirectly - that xylene may pull more 2-MeTHβC, at least in the sense that this minor component seems to get left behind by the naphtha pulls and/or the freeze precipitation. Increased presence of this component would dilute the DMT; its subjective effects are unclear besides, apparently, the n=1 sample size of @Jagube's report in the link above.
Interesting... after I finish my current experiment I'd like to test this. I'll extract first with heptane then once exhausted pull with xylene and test separately on it's own. These minor alkaloids are interesting to me since I personally feel pure compounds don't feel the same as teas. That report by @Jagube doesn't show much promise but I'll likely start at the same dose and see if the reaction is similar. Thanks for the link.
Do you know best acid to salt the xylene? Also if I can salt with benzoic acid directly?
Don't take harmalas if your on anti depressants you'll get serotonin toxity.
