Novice question for the pros

[ZeroSignal]

Hi all.
I have just pulled off my first extraction using the max-ion tek with Earthwalker's back salting addition, and it was a great success.
1.66 gms of fluffy freebase from 100 gms of ACRB.
I have 50gms of mullein and 10gms of syrian rue (not enough to extract a useful amount of harmalas) and I'm wondering if it will make useful changa blending just the freebase, the mullein and the rue. Or would it just be marginally better than enhanced leaf?

I hope it's not a stupid question, I did search the boards and didn't find a definitive answer. Any advice would be much appreciated, thank you.

 

[Nitegazer]

Not a pro...

BUT--- I believe the harmalas in the rue seeds are in salt form. Simply putting them in your smoking mix might be unpleasant because 1- salt is harsh to smoke and 2 - there are so many undesirable compounds that you may not want to smoke in the seeds.

I would instead consider making a tea with the crushed seeds.

 

[TGO]

Yeah, I concur. If you only have 10g of Rue you could make a decent tea dose with 3 - 3.5g of rue and use that in conjunction with your enhanced leaf. I've never tried smoking the seeds.

 

[FLeP]

Not a pro either but tea FTW. Don't want to take your nice fluffy spice and mix it with ground rue seeds.

 

[○]

Since you have 1600mg of DMT, you could take 800mg of the freebase and 800mg of mullein leaf and make some 1:1 enhanced leaf, then save the remaining 800mg DMT, acquire some more rue seeds, then extract harmalas and make a changa blend with your remaining 800mg DMT. This is assuming you don't have a GlassVaporGenie or a really solid smoking device. Enhanced leaf is easy - just pack a pipe, long careful slow hits, hold, Hyperspace.

And yeah, you could pulverize those seeds, boil 2x45min boils, strain, collect, and divide out the 10g worth of rue tea into half gram dosages, so you'd have roughly 20 dosages - just enough oral rue tea to give a nice potentiation for smoked DMT/enhanced leaf. You wouldn't want to drink alot of that tea then smoke - that could be more than you bargained for if you happen to smoke a little too much.

Smoking rue seeds isn't too much fun.

 

[Sakkadelic]

i tried to extract from 15 g syrian rue for the first time and i got good results, if your rue is good quality you can get more than 600 mg of 10 g which is good if you're using half the dmt you have.

 

[ZeroSignal]

i tried to extract from 15 g syrian rue for the first time and i got good results, if your rue is good quality you can get more than 600 mg of 10 g which is good if you're using half the dmt you have.

Wow that's actually not bad. I must have misread the numbers in the thread I read about extracting the harmalas. I did see someone say that they smoke a couple of pipes of the rue seeds before, ugh. The tea sounds like way to go. And I will be careful, I read an awful story on erowid about a guy who made tea from 10 grams and then ate the seeds, he ended up in hospital.
Thanks very much for the help.

 

[Sakkadelic]

many threads say 4% but it was always more than 6% for me, the rue i have is from iran and this is the tek i use

Harmalas extraction-syrian rue (by SAKKADELIC) - FAQ - All your basic questions and answers - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

the first time i tried rue i made a tea with 12 g but i didn't eat the seeds and then i smoked hash, my head was buzzing with very high frequency noises and i kept shaking for hours, my mind was very cloudy and i couldn't think for days, i had partial exams and i came last in the class.
i never had problems with 4-5 g rue tea.

 

[ZeroSignal]

That's a really involved tek, good work. The finished product looks very tidy. I've read about the tea from a few sources now and the ballpark figure seems around 3 grams to be safe until you find your 'sweet spot.' I'll try the tea first with the small amount I have and try the extraction when I acquire some more. If anything I've learned that patience is key in this pursuit.

Also, just a thought I had when I read the part about being careful not to let the liquid boil over in the microwave and lose some product... I know that placing a wooden spoon across the top of a boiling saucepan will stop the liquid from boiling over the edge of the saucepan, so I assume the same could apply in the microwave, just as a safety measure.
I don't think I'd leave it unattended though. I've almost been slapped for lacking attention before and I'll never do it again. It was stupid but I'll admit it so that anyone else who reads this can avoid it. I've heated my non polar solvent in front of a small fan heater before instead of using a warm water bath. That's not so bad, unless you're distracted and forget it's sitting in front of the heater.
The bottle of shellite expanded so much that the base of the bottle distended and the bottle fell over. Luckily that caught my attention and I quickly grabbed it and rushed it outside. As I carefully opened the bottle to release the built up gas, it bubbled violently and almost spewed out of the small opening I'd created. Had that bottle popped in front of that heater I could have burned my house down. Always use a warm water bath.
That was extremely foolish but thankfully no harm was done. I'm ashamed but I learned a lesson without a disaster.

 

[Sakkadelic]

thank you a lot for the wooden spoon idea i will definitely try it next time i hope it works. it will save me a lot of work.
i read here in a thread that a warm water bath for the basified solution then adding the (at room temperature) nps gives cleaner yields and it's much safer
i'm glad it ended up with no harm

 

[DMTripper]

Extracting harmalas from rue seeds is very simple. And they yield a lot. I usually get 5-6% yield.