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Oak and tryptamines

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Dozuki said:
dragonrider said:
Don't acorns contain small amounts of hydrogen cyanide as well?
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Not sure, I just did a quick google scholar search to see what came up for Acorns.

-D.
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While cyanogenic glycosides are fairly ubiquitous in nature, conflating this with the necessity of pre-processing acorns in order to render them edible reminds me all too much of various instances I've encountered where people have been unable to understand the difference between, for example, arsenic and cyanide when talking about plant toxicity. Acorns are inedible in their native state due to the high content of tannins, and (fortunately!) I have not detected any almond-like odour of hydrogen cyanide while processing acorns recently.

I would note that the use of lime for removal of tannins from a liquid acorn extract would also leave any cyanides present in solution as calcium cyanide. This should be quite readily detectable with some simple tests. Presence of any significant quantity of cyanide in acorns would be flagged up as a warning in the folk literature from their centuries-long (millenia, even) food use and I have not seen this mentioned anywhere.
 
dragonrider said:
Don't acorns contain small amounts of hydrogen cyanide as well?
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No, the tannin alone suffices as an antifeedant.
phys.org

Beware the smell of bitter almonds: Why do many food plants contain cyanide?

(PhysOrg.com) -- In murder mysteries, the detective usually diagnoses cyanide poisoning by the scent of bitter almonds wafting from the corpse. The detective knows what many of us might find surprising — that the deadly poison cyanide is naturally present in bitter almonds and many other plants...
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“You’ll notice that the oak hasn’t been domesticated,” says Olsen, “and this may be because the poison in that case is not a single compound but rather a broad class of compounds (the tannins) whose production is controlled by many different genes.”


“Many mutations would be required to generate a low-tannin oak. Also tannins are not sequestered in one part of the plant, such as the leaves, but instead are found throughout the plant, so it isn’t possible just to remove the offending part.”


“Squirrels have evolved digestive systems that can handle the oak tannins," Olsen says. "But tannins definitely discourage acorn consumption by people.”
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The phytochemical rich potential of acorn (Quercus aegilops) products and by products

The phytochemical content of acorn (Quercus aegilops) products (nuts and flour) and by products (shells and leaching waters) regarding their content in total phenols, fatty acids, sodium, potassium and calcium was investigated. Antioxidant activity was ...
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I once met a guy at a party who was adamant that the white dots on the fly agaric mushroom contain "lots" of dmt and are smokeable.

The consequences of the war on drugs are multitude, and wilful ignorance reigns supreme. I think some people are so desperate for a magical world that they just invent one and start pretending to be living in it. I used to imagine dmt in every member of the mimosa/acacia family with nice looking flowers and I would pick up that smell in quite a few plants. Shulgin's " dmt is everywhere" blah blah was/is probably the source of this fantasy for many people.
 
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Anarchos said:
I once met a guy at a party who was adamant that the white dots on the fly agaric mushroom contain "lots" of dmt and are smokeable.

The consequences of the war on drugs are multitude, and wilful ignorance reigns supreme. I think some people are so desperate for a magical world that they just invent one and start pretending to be living in it. I used to imagine dmt in evert member of the mimosa/acacia family with nice looking flowers and pick up that smell in quite a few plants. Shulgin's " dmt is everywhere" blah blah was/is probably the source of this fantasy for many people.
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Given a large enough sample of hippies, you'll have at least one example of someone who believes any given item of drug misinformation…

Fortunately, we're here with our best efforts at dispelling the nonsense (quick quiz - DMT in the pineal: yes or no?)

General ignorance of chemistry is always an obstacle since it's quite natural for people to conflate notions they don't fully understand, as explained in, e.g. this post
 
Anarchos said:
The answer is a no to pretty much every cliche DMT question you throw at me. :p
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Due to the shortcomings of the English language can I just clarify that you are using the pronoun "you" in a general sense, rather than a specific second person singular or plural, since we're highly unlikely to be throwing clichéd DMT questions at you for anything beyond metasemantic purposes?
 
Anarchos said:
nah, he's too lightweight for that mwa haha

Seriously though I do think that trees are the best sources for spice.
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Thanks for reminding me, I have some acorn tincture as per the hot vodka tannin removal video that I still want to screen for compounds of interest before recovering the alcohol.

Maybe you could tell us about your tree experience in an appropriate thread?
 
I am aware that this belong to the realm of mysticism and romanticism, but once I asked the caapi plant while doing it's work: " what are the European plants that we should look into to find out more about the mysteries?"

And the plant, responding me in my head, gave me a clear list of botanical sources for further investigations:

Oak, chestnut, beech.

Tress loaded up with tannins and maybe flavonoids that can procure some mao-inhibition. I don't know, we don't know.

But my reason gives me the curiosity to think, that something might be there that we haven't encountered yet. Or that we have found once, when bards were singing songs about trees back in the days, but that have been lost by now.

Secrets are everywhere. Actually I grow a lot of autumn olives not just for their tasty berries but to explore their content of beta Carbolines. Do the research!
 
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