OEV vs CEV

[Purges]

Recently, nearly all of my journeys have been OEV biased rather than the CEVs that I am used to. the only thing that has changed method wise has been switching from bong to GVG.

The visuals are no less intense, in fact more intense for the most part, even with lower doses than I would take in the bong - which would be comfortably up to about 30mg, where as now 30 mg in the GVG would be a fairly daunting prospect! Once i have smoalked it seems like my eyes are glued open for the duration of the trip (often mouth hanging wide open as well lol)... This strikes me as a little bit weird...

So yes, any thoughts on why things have changed? I mean the smoking device can't have that much impact on whether I experience more OEVs than CEVs can it? Either way it is quite fun watching entities flitting about in the living room

 

[PrimalWisdom]

Hey Purges

Yeah I dunno why it would change just because of your method.
I know personally I have come to enjoy the OEV’s a bit more. Sitting on my lawn watching the world has become one of my favourite things. I can still close my eyes though it’s not like they are “glued” open or anything.

If I take a particularly large hit I can forget to close my eyes, and yes the jaw dropping happens to me too (sometimes I feel a bit retarded ) but I do snap out of my daze eventually and lay back for a journey inwards.

 

[gibran2]

Maybe I'm missing something, but the biggest factor on whether you have OEVs or CEVs depends on whether or not your eyes are open.

To see CEVs (closed-eye visuals), close your eyes.

 

[Purges]

Hey PW - Yeah i have to admit, i am becoming rather fond of my living room transforming into a wonderful, impossible crystalline palace! The jaw dropping thing is natural I think, one step before death by astonishment!

Gibran, I know that the thing is, one of two things happens:

1. I take the hit, sit back with closed eyes, get the 'lift off' feeling, and get either very minor, or non existant CEVs, and upon opening my eyes the room is twisting and convulsing. I am still having a deep, intense experience, but not much of it is going on behind the eyelids.

2. I take the hit, and as PW says, I forget to close my eyes and OEV madness ensues, sometimes I remember to try and close my eyes, but not much is going on back there.

The dose is the same - 40 mg Changa (20mg Spice) taken in one breath from the GVG. I may try upping my dose to see if this propels me past even noticing whether my eyes are open / closed. I have also had this phenomenon with freebase in the GVG.

 

[gibran2]

Gibran, I know that the thing is, one of two things happens:

1. I take the hit, sit back with closed eyes, get the 'lift off' feeling, and get either very minor, or non existant CEVs, and upon opening my eyes the room is twisting and convulsing. I am still having a deep, intense experience, but not much of it is going on behind the eyelids.

2. I take the hit, and as PW says, I forget to close my eyes and OEV madness ensues, sometimes I remember to try and close my eyes, but not much is going on back there.

The dose is the same - 40 mg Changa (20mg Spice) taken in one breath from the GVG. I may try upping my dose to see if this propels me past even noticing whether my eyes are open / closed. I have also had this phenomenon with freebase in the GVG.

Yes, I know you knew that.

Sometimes #1 happens to me – no visuals with eyes closed, but lots of morphing and/or “grids” with eyes open. Usually this indicates a low dose.

20mg spice (plus sublingual harmalas) will often be too low a dose for CEVs. Increasing it just a bit – up to 24mg – will almost guarantee not only strong visuals but a breakthrough as well. I bet you’ll get noticeably different results if you increased the changa to 50mg.

 

[Purges]

20mg spice (plus sublingual harmalas) will often be too low a dose for CEVs. Increasing it just a bit – up to 24mg – will almost guarantee not only strong visuals but a breakthrough as well. I bet you’ll get noticeably different results if you increased the changa to 50mg.

I have broken through a few times on 20 mg recently, but it clearly isn't having quite as forceful effect as it was when i first acquired my GVG - maybe I have somewhat acclimatised to this method of ingestion now.

But if you agree I should increase the dose, that is what I will do then I'll report back once I delve back into hyperspace.

 

[Global]

If your GVG isn't working as well for you as it was it first, make sure it's clean and make sure your screens/herb/ash/mesh/whatever are clean and replace as necessary. Make sure that there's no soot in the ceramic filter, and also make sure your lighter is refilled.

I remember having one trip early on, where I loaded waaaay too much into the GVG (60mg!). I was at that point in my smoking career where I hadn't broken through yet, and had I closed my eyes, I most likely would have, but I was so scared that I completely forgot and I was left staring wide eyed as purple ribbons arched across the room and the furniture came to life, not to mention the intense nausea. Also, if you're having trouble getting CEVs, try changing up the lighting conditions. If you're in a pretty dim-lit room, try a really bright one or vice-versa. If you're still having trouble, try playing music during your journey and see if that helps.

 

[q21q21]

For me CEVs are the only way.
I never saw anything but patterns when I opened my eyes at the peak of (these and MANY lower doses):
175mg rue-harmalas + 150mg jimjam pharma
nor
on 35mg yellow crystals smoked
nor
on 40mg jimjam smoked

I mean sure they are patterns and they are cool.
But on 8-10mg smoked I close my eyes and connect with entities more often than not.
On that pharma I said, with my eyes closed I was a singularity in the universe.

But that's just me and this is only talking about the only the VISUAL aspect of course which is a tiny fragment of the DMT pie.

 

[tele]

20mg spice (plus sublingual harmalas) will often be too low a dose for CEVs. Increasing it just a bit – up to 24mg – will almost guarantee not only strong visuals but a breakthrough as well. I bet you’ll get noticeably different results if you increased the changa to 50mg.

Not for me at least. Even 15mg with sublingual caapi extract will bring CEVs. It's the ideal dose to warm up and remove pre flight anxiety for me. Of course inhaled full dose in one hit. I find it to be very important with any dose.

 

[Entheojen]

Not answering your question but just a suggestion (that you most likely know), put if you prefer CEVs and are having a problem keeping your eyes closed, try a sleeping mask thingy...

 

[Purges]

Global - I don't think the GVG is to blame at all, but I will give the lighting thing a try. I usually smoalk in a darkened room with a small lamp and a candle lit just so I can see what I'm doing, but I do sometimes have daytime journeys with similar results. Dark seems better to me.

Q21 - this is why I am finding it a little strange. Usually I nod off into the trip and don't open my eyes until it's over or at least dissipating, but the last few times it has been the room itself which becomes the 'arena' for the mmadness

Tele - I feel we have quite a similar sensitivity to Spice, usually 15 mg is on the verge of a breakthrough, but relatively tame, my approach is usually much the same too, smaller dose first, main event second and maybe third...

 

[bindu]

To see CEVs (closed-eye visuals), close your eyes.

#

Protip! :lol:


I always use a blindfold while smoalking, without it i have total sensory overload

its great that you can handle a trip open eyed, enjoy

 

[ewok]

Up the dosage until you find you no longer have eyes to open or close.

 

[jamie]

Take DMT in the dark..then it does not matter. Closed eyes or open it wont make a difference if the room is pitch black.

 

[Purges]

Up the dosage in the dark?! We'll see

 

[q21q21]

Take DMT in the dark..then it does not matter. Closed eyes or open it wont make a difference if the room is pitch black.

I tried that one time and had a TERRIBLE trip on 20mg compared to maybe 1 out of 20 I did (mostly testing the spice while working on the tek, not wanting to full breakthrough) in the light were "bad"

I guess I could try again.. it's 7pm.... hmmm.... nah tonight doesn't feel right, light or not.

 

[Ice House]

I have had several experiences in the last couple of weeks with LSD and DMT combined,

Eyes opened or eyes closed I was seeing the same thing. It was wild. Scary!

 

[Purges]

He he, I might have a little LSD to test that theory with Don't know if I dare though! :twisted:

 

[Purges]

its great that you can handle a trip open eyed, enjoy

Oh you can be sure I do! Watching your room mutate into some alien playground is quite a novel thing! Not sure I could get bored of it, but I feel that maybe it is distracting me from going deeper? Then again recent journeys haven't been short on depth, aesthetic beauty or insight, so maybe I am supposed to be tripping eyes open at the moment? Maybe that's what the molecule wants? :?

 

[Elicius]

I have had several experiences in the last couple of weeks with LSD and DMT combined,

Eyes opened or eyes closed I was seeing the same thing. It was wild. Scary!

Same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. Usually I never even try to open my eyes because whenever I did, I would just be taken out of the trip. The CEVs got really intense this one time though and I opened my eyes and everything was still there. I was blinking repetitively to be sure that I did have my eyes open because it was in a pitch black room. Eyes closed - contorted images, eyes open - exact same thing. Next resort was to reach over and turn on my lamp, but after reaching everywhere it must've evaporated or something because I couldn't find it! Definitely an intense experience but in the end it all led to acceptance and eventually got better.