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Oh. Ok. Thank you. I thought maybe the darker yellow spots were from lye.What makes you say that? It all looks within the range of normal to me
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Hey guys, I have a question that I’d like some help with.
I know Shellite isn’t considered a reliable NPS but I’m curious why it works well for MHRB and not acacia? I’ve performed a StB tek with MHRB and had nice crystals precipitate and dry using Shellite, yet I’ve never managed to get it to work with acacia (using an A/B method with floribunda or obtusifolia the final result after freeze precipitation is melting crystals that turn into a transparent goop).
My question is are miscellaneous alkaloids in the acacia complicating the freeze precipitation stage when using Shellite or is it the different extraction method I used (StB vs A/B) that is causing the freeze precipitation problem? Why is Shellite effective for one plant but not the other?
I know Shellite isn’t considered a reliable NPS but I’m curious why it works well for MHRB and not acacia? I’ve performed a StB tek with MHRB and had nice crystals precipitate and dry using Shellite, yet I’ve never managed to get it to work with acacia (using an A/B method with floribunda or obtusifolia the final result after freeze precipitation is melting crystals that turn into a transparent goop).
My question is are miscellaneous alkaloids in the acacia complicating the freeze precipitation stage when using Shellite or is it the different extraction method I used (StB vs A/B) that is causing the freeze precipitation problem? Why is Shellite effective for one plant but not the other?
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Try defatting after the acid phase before you base, then proceed as usual. See what happens.
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The yellow is not likely to be nps residue. The reason @Voidmatrix said to have fun looking into it is its a widely debated topic but the most likely situation, if you know you avoided all basic water contamination and then processed the freeze precip correctly, is that the yellow is due to polymerization.
Aka not a problem
Fumarate might improve the yellowing but i've never tried and idk enough chemistry to say if there could be polymers of fumarate.
But, if it does produce a less yellow product, it isnt because it cleaned up nps residues.
If you're seriously concerned about nps residues, dissolve the freebase in a minimal amount of 90%+ ethanol or isopropyl and then let evaporate completely in a shallow dish
Edit to say: i might be misinterpreting what you mean by nps residues. If you mean actual nps trapped in the crystals, do the dissolve i suggested.
If you mean you evap tested your nps and it left residue, get a clean nps then mini-a/b into that
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Since no answer I assume the answer is if there is residue it would transfer to acetone and partly come out with the product?
Asking cuz one of the different products was very neon in yellow, the one I had that strange hangover and the bottle says 4% aromata
Guess it is safer to say goodbye to that batch of product?
Asking cuz one of the different products was very neon in yellow, the one I had that strange hangover and the bottle says 4% aromata
Guess it is safer to say goodbye to that batch of product?
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I see you friend, I just unfortunately don't have the experience or expertise to weigh in. Hopefully someone else will soon.
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Yeah, ok ty. Felt a bit lonely the past weeks.
But would be ok for me to trash it.
I decided to try the assumably polymerized one. If there is a let's say clean trip I throw the light yellow to trash anyway.
And the NPS I will use for cleaning or whatever but not for evap again. Something in me says the last was not normal trip....
Ok had a 36 trip with the polymerized assumably
And I am sure the NPS with the neon residue seems not ok to smoke. It welcomed me with the words I am glad your fine
Hope no misunderstanding I had a really strange body overhang with the other one. I always in a half lotus posture, the last time with the bad product, I was like fell over to the ground. Normally I sit straight up the whole trip.
But would be ok for me to trash it.
I decided to try the assumably polymerized one. If there is a let's say clean trip I throw the light yellow to trash anyway.
And the NPS I will use for cleaning or whatever but not for evap again. Something in me says the last was not normal trip....
Ok had a 36 trip with the polymerized assumably
And I am sure the NPS with the neon residue seems not ok to smoke. It welcomed me with the words I am glad your fine
Hope no misunderstanding I had a really strange body overhang with the other one. I always in a half lotus posture, the last time with the bad product, I was like fell over to the ground. Normally I sit straight up the whole trip.
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Hello everyone.
Been doing a harmala extraction from red Ayahuasca, and have run into an issue in the manske step.
I added 120g of sea salt per litre, 180g as had 1.5l. Initially there was some fizzing, and the tea turned cloudy, like there was a ppt, and then after cooling in the fridge, no beautiful crystals appeared.
I thought it could be not enough salt, so added another 60g, but no change.
I then thought maybe the harmalas had precipitated quickly in the finer, less pure form, due to too much salt, but filtering through a coffee paper leaves nothing in the filter, and the solution looks/is the same.
Any ideas/help gratefully received.
I've attached pics of before and after.
Been doing a harmala extraction from red Ayahuasca, and have run into an issue in the manske step.
I added 120g of sea salt per litre, 180g as had 1.5l. Initially there was some fizzing, and the tea turned cloudy, like there was a ppt, and then after cooling in the fridge, no beautiful crystals appeared.
I thought it could be not enough salt, so added another 60g, but no change.
I then thought maybe the harmalas had precipitated quickly in the finer, less pure form, due to too much salt, but filtering through a coffee paper leaves nothing in the filter, and the solution looks/is the same.
Any ideas/help gratefully received.
I've attached pics of before and after.
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How long hast it been since you added the salt? Did it turn cloudy immediately? The cloudiness does point towards the crystals being small.
Also, how much caapi were you using? It may be that the solution is very diluted.
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Thanks for the reply. I added the salt last night and the extra salt this morning.
It did turn cloudy very quickly. I used 250g caapi and did 4 cooks then reduced over a low flame, so it shouldn't be too dilute. I did use quite a lot of NcCO3, so was wondering if the solution wasn't low enough pH, so I did put some more acid in before the salt.
I'm just wondering how I can filter it if the coffee filter is too coarse. Might have to evaporate it.
The picture is how much solid got dissolved in 1500ml vinegar and water at 1:3
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Did you measure the pH? If it's not below 7, it's likely that you don't have any harmala salts yet, only freebase.
It's strange for it to turn cloudy quickly. In my experience it doesn't turn cloudy at all, crystals start growing a few hours later without any cloudiness at any point.
You could always freebase it and store it as freebase, if you store it properly it should keep for longer than a year without any problems.
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I did measure the pH with papers and it was definitely below 4. Yes, the turning cloudy quickly I thought was strange. Maybe the seasalt, but I thought that should be fine.
I'm just wondering what Is good to try now, as I've added all that salt.
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It does appear the solids are slowly dropping out of the liquid, so I think I will leave it in the fridge a few days, try and separate it, and take it from there.
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Freebasing would still work, as long as you don't cool it down the NaCl won't precipitate.
Not a bad idea.
It's weird, and I don't think it's the salt, that's more or less how much I have used for manske with no problems.
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I think the main issue may be the concentration, which is quite important for this step to work properly, 250 grams of caapi is not a whole lot.
If it doesn’t work the way you’ve tried it so far, my suggestion would be to base everything first. Then collect whatever precipitates out and dissolve that again in a small amount of vinegar and water, using a much smaller overall volume than before. After that, you can perform the Manske step again.
If it doesn’t work the way you’ve tried it so far, my suggestion would be to base everything first. Then collect whatever precipitates out and dissolve that again in a small amount of vinegar and water, using a much smaller overall volume than before. After that, you can perform the Manske step again.
