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Hi Exarp,Exarp said:
10ml of 30% HCl in 1 litre of water is utterly massive amount of acid! It will actually give SWIY a pH of 1.107. And 30ml of 9% in 1 l of water will give SWIY a pH of 1.14.
Both pHs are very high. Ideally a pH of 4-5 is more than enough. And SWIY makes it by adding just a few drops (4-5 drops) of the concentrated HCl in 1 litre of water.
An accurate pH is not very critical. And it is difficult to make a correct pH when extracting. The acids of the plant material will lower the predicted value. And when it comes to HCl, it can be boiled off the solution so when the decoction is prepared, it will be getting gradually towards more basic.
Of course all this is nonsense. Few drops of HCl is enough. And SWIY should not worry about the pH meter. If he really wants some pH indicator he can make pH papers from red cabbage. But do not be too anal about pH:wink:
What is the ambient temperature in SWIY's "lab"?xdream said:
Weird. If it were spice it should be fairly solid at this temperature. Has SWIY bioassayed it?xdream said:
Ok so here's one for you:
Swim is trying sodium carbonate as base for the first time. Swim cooked his mhrb in vinegar soln in crock pot and then poured it all, vinegar, mhrb powder, and everything into a gallon jug. Swim then went to basify, and upon adding sodium carbonate, got a MAJOR foaming reaction similar to the vinegar/baking soda reaction he remembers seeing as a kid. Apparently sodium carbonate reacts the same as sodium bicarb in this respect.
This now sucks becuz there's foam everywhere, swim still hasn't finished adding all the sodium carbonate he was planning on adding, and the way things look now it'll be DAYS before he gets around to the np phase.
Oh and swim already tried adding a little np (limonene) but that didn't seem to help.
Any suggestions?
Swim is trying sodium carbonate as base for the first time. Swim cooked his mhrb in vinegar soln in crock pot and then poured it all, vinegar, mhrb powder, and everything into a gallon jug. Swim then went to basify, and upon adding sodium carbonate, got a MAJOR foaming reaction similar to the vinegar/baking soda reaction he remembers seeing as a kid. Apparently sodium carbonate reacts the same as sodium bicarb in this respect.
This now sucks becuz there's foam everywhere, swim still hasn't finished adding all the sodium carbonate he was planning on adding, and the way things look now it'll be DAYS before he gets around to the np phase.
Oh and swim already tried adding a little np (limonene) but that didn't seem to help.
Any suggestions?
Exarp
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SWIM used n-heptane for pulling DMT from basified extraction. SWIM was too unsure what he is doing, and he used 5x100 ml heptane wash.
SWIM evaporated hepane to 100 ml, and he put it in freezer. After 6 hours, participation was very poor.
SWIM decided to evaporate some more heptane, made it to 30 ml.
How long it needs to participate? SWIM extracted 50g of Mimoza.
SWIM evaporated hepane to 100 ml, and he put it in freezer. After 6 hours, participation was very poor.
SWIM decided to evaporate some more heptane, made it to 30 ml.
How long it needs to participate? SWIM extracted 50g of Mimoza.
xx13w7xx
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Hello everyone!!!
SWIM has purchased Sewer cleaner for its high content of Sodium Hydroxide to use with Noman's TEK.
When they got home, they noticed that it was ~86% NaOH and ~14% "inert ingredients"
If SWIM was going to get some DMT out of this batch and persay "smoke" this spice...would they die?
Would the extraction even work? Would you have to adjust your weight due to the lower concentration for the base mixture?
SWIM spent twenty bucks on this crap and already opened it
They'd really like to use it.
SKU:= 2130006047
Description : "NUMBER 2 SEWER LINE CLEANER" SEWER TREATMENT - 6.5 LB
Mfg #: 1010
Manufacturer Name: ROOTO
SWIM cannot find a MSDS sheet for this stuff either... so they have no idea what the "inert ingredients" are....
Edit:
OK I found an MSDS for this product here http://www.stcloudstate.edu/osh/msds/documents/SodiumHydroxideAnhydrousRooto.pdf
BUT! the MSDS says that its 100% NaOH... and the container says ~86%...
Oh man... Help anyone?
SWIM has purchased Sewer cleaner for its high content of Sodium Hydroxide to use with Noman's TEK.
When they got home, they noticed that it was ~86% NaOH and ~14% "inert ingredients"
If SWIM was going to get some DMT out of this batch and persay "smoke" this spice...would they die?
Would the extraction even work? Would you have to adjust your weight due to the lower concentration for the base mixture?
SWIM spent twenty bucks on this crap and already opened it
They'd really like to use it.SKU:= 2130006047
Description : "NUMBER 2 SEWER LINE CLEANER" SEWER TREATMENT - 6.5 LB
Mfg #: 1010
Manufacturer Name: ROOTO
SWIM cannot find a MSDS sheet for this stuff either... so they have no idea what the "inert ingredients" are....
Edit:
OK I found an MSDS for this product here http://www.stcloudstate.edu/osh/msds/documents/SodiumHydroxideAnhydrousRooto.pdf
BUT! the MSDS says that its 100% NaOH... and the container says ~86%...
Oh man... Help anyone?
Finding the proper equipment.
Would a filler and pipettes made of pyrogen-free virgin polystyrene be okay with naphtha (or the other non-polar solvents)? (Thats the red bulb type that SWIY can find in a lot of places). SWIM still can't get his head around the separatory funnel, SWIM would need a huge one...
SWIM also understands that the basified solution needs to be tilted and turned around in the jar. Wouldn't the solution corrode the top? (made from plastic, metal or those beer bottle type ones with the rubber washers).
Swim would go with a Marsofold tek if DMT extraction was ever made legal, but would not feel comfortable handling a gallon of solution and probably boiled it down before the basification. Would this be a good idea?
Would a filler and pipettes made of pyrogen-free virgin polystyrene be okay with naphtha (or the other non-polar solvents)? (Thats the red bulb type that SWIY can find in a lot of places). SWIM still can't get his head around the separatory funnel, SWIM would need a huge one...
SWIM also understands that the basified solution needs to be tilted and turned around in the jar. Wouldn't the solution corrode the top? (made from plastic, metal or those beer bottle type ones with the rubber washers).
Swim would go with a Marsofold tek if DMT extraction was ever made legal, but would not feel comfortable handling a gallon of solution and probably boiled it down before the basification. Would this be a good idea?
Hi everyone,
SWIM's bought some of the stuff for his first extraction, but he's not sure about one of the chems though.
SWIM doesn't live in the US, so he doesn't have access to VM&P or Lowes or other brands that sell naphta.
So SWIM settled for the next best thing he could find : he bought some synthetic thinner.
It says on the bottle that the thinner has heavy naphta ( petrol ), hydrodesulfurized naphta. Then it says Toluene.
SWIM wanted to know if he could use that instead of naphta ( he recalls reading something about toluene and xylene being used for DMT extractions ) and if so, would it be better, worse, more/less dangerous, etc ... .
SWIM also has a picture of the bottle, so you can all see exactly what it looks like and says :
SWIM lives in Belgium, that's why it's written in French, Deutsch and German in the back. But those are only the precautions you have to take, the interesting part is the top one ).
Thanks
SWIM's bought some of the stuff for his first extraction, but he's not sure about one of the chems though.
SWIM doesn't live in the US, so he doesn't have access to VM&P or Lowes or other brands that sell naphta.
So SWIM settled for the next best thing he could find : he bought some synthetic thinner.
It says on the bottle that the thinner has heavy naphta ( petrol ), hydrodesulfurized naphta. Then it says Toluene.
SWIM wanted to know if he could use that instead of naphta ( he recalls reading something about toluene and xylene being used for DMT extractions ) and if so, would it be better, worse, more/less dangerous, etc ... .
SWIM also has a picture of the bottle, so you can all see exactly what it looks like and says :
SWIM lives in Belgium, that's why it's written in French, Deutsch and German in the back. But those are only the precautions you have to take, the interesting part is the top one ).
Thanks
VisualDistortion
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If I remember correctly, toluene and xylene will pull alot of jungle spice along with n,n DMT. Not a bad thing, some people like it, but alot prefer the white crystaline n,n DMT. Also, both are HIGHLY flammable and if they ever caught fire there would be no stopping it, it would be over too quick.
Re to Psyckoz,
It's pretty hard to say from the bottle's etiquette. It says "naptha", then "toluene". My best guess however would be that it is toluene. The reason being that "naphtha" (or naptha) is a generic term and different naphtha brands have different compositions. Naphthas from different countries also may vary a lot just as what can be called naphtha in each country can vary to a good extent.
Toluene on the other hand, is a very specific term. Toluene is toluene, (or methylbenzene).
I would use this solvent as if it were toluene, very good at pulling the goodies, but one cannot freeze-precipitate the pulls. It has to be evaporated and it takes ages...
It's pretty hard to say from the bottle's etiquette. It says "naptha", then "toluene". My best guess however would be that it is toluene. The reason being that "naphtha" (or naptha) is a generic term and different naphtha brands have different compositions. Naphthas from different countries also may vary a lot just as what can be called naphtha in each country can vary to a good extent.
Toluene on the other hand, is a very specific term. Toluene is toluene, (or methylbenzene).
I would use this solvent as if it were toluene, very good at pulling the goodies, but one cannot freeze-precipitate the pulls. It has to be evaporated and it takes ages...
Re to SyZyGyPSy:
Yes, sodium carbonate can be a pain when added since it foams up. The way to overcome it is not to overacidify when boiling the plant material. The sodium carbonate reacts with the acid used for the acidic boils and it gives out carbon dioxide. If one had used tonnes of vinegar/HCl/citric acid/whatever in the acidic boils, then he should be prepared for some good pain in the ass! pH at around 4 is perfect for the acidic boils, more is not necessary and it becomes troublesome when basifying with sodium carbonate.
The other thing is to add it slowly, a little bit at the time, wait for the foam to go away, then add a bit more. As a rule-of-thumb, when addition of more sodium carbonate does not foam up the solution, then the solution is neutral (pH around 7) and now loads of sodium carbonate can be added without fearing for any volcanic eruptions!
Hope that helps!
Yes, sodium carbonate can be a pain when added since it foams up. The way to overcome it is not to overacidify when boiling the plant material. The sodium carbonate reacts with the acid used for the acidic boils and it gives out carbon dioxide. If one had used tonnes of vinegar/HCl/citric acid/whatever in the acidic boils, then he should be prepared for some good pain in the ass! pH at around 4 is perfect for the acidic boils, more is not necessary and it becomes troublesome when basifying with sodium carbonate.
The other thing is to add it slowly, a little bit at the time, wait for the foam to go away, then add a bit more. As a rule-of-thumb, when addition of more sodium carbonate does not foam up the solution, then the solution is neutral (pH around 7) and now loads of sodium carbonate can be added without fearing for any volcanic eruptions!
Hope that helps!
The type of acid is not much relevant, even though some people report more potent brews when using phosphoric acid. But anyway, irrespective of the acid, 30-45 min per boil are enough, And 3-4 boils like these can take almost everything out of the plant.Exarp said:
Hi,aznedy said:
Cooking on high is not generally recommended, simmering works just as fine. If cooking on high there's danger of the decoction to overflow and get ruined if not stirred continuously.
As for trying to boil the acid out, that depends on the acid used; HCl and acetic acid are the ones that can be boiled away and hard boil is not necessary for that. Other commonly used acids in extraction cannot be boiled off easily.
5x100ml is too much for just 50g of MHRB! No wonder there's no precipitation. evapping down to 30-50ml will help. Leaving it in the freezer for as long as 15-20 hours may also be necessary.Exarp said:
