official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[smokeydaze]

It really doesn't matter unless you go really low with something like HCl and end up with yellow goo.
Mars actually posted an ammendment to his tek stating that plain water worked just as well since the alks were in their salt form in MHRB anyway and the bark itself makes the solution slightly acidic.

Has anyone ever tried using normal water ? ? That would make life so much easier.. and cheaper

 

[noothgrush]

SWIM is almost ready to start extracting using Noman's tek. SWIM has some heptane that he plans to use for recrystallization, but he's got enough of it to use it for the separation process as well. Is this advisable, or is using regular naphtha (white spirit) just as suitable or better?

 

[KUSHMASTER]

Don't quote me on it, but I think your should do the pulls with the regular naphtha, then use the heptane for the recrystalization.

 

[alicedee25]

edit: problem solved

 

[nvx]

SWIM was wondering if anybody could help him with figuring out how to do marsofold's tek with 1.5lbs powdered material instead of 1lb (with the same equipment if possible). Any help is much appreciated.

 

[opposablethumb]

Hey people just wondering how necessary it is to evap 1/2 the shellite (naptha) in the freeze precip step in the Lex Tek?, will not evaping leave some Alk in solution?

 

[smokeydaze]

opposablethumb, edited Lex Tek:

3 acid cooks, combined and reduced to ~3L (Instead of vinegar use about 1/2 - 1 teaspoon of hydrochloric, sulphuric, or phosphoric acid)
Let sit for 20 mins in the HDPE jug
Basify with 200 grams of NaOH
3 x shellite extractions (300mL x 2 then 400mL)
-don't fan evap (you might be losing some to the sides of the dish)
Freeze precip
done

I also highly suggest you have a go at making enhanced leaf, if your near a HHH go get some pau darco.

 

[opposablethumb]

Thanks SD

Why not vinegar?

Nowhere near a HHH lucky they are online FOAF was thinking bout calea & maybe adding equal part harmala alk to Dimitri.

 

[smokeydaze]

Works better and is easier, you only need half to one teaspoon instead of half a jug of vinegar.

Sounds good, but get some pau darco as well and make around a 1:1 or 2:3 mix with it and you'll be amazed. Highly highly suggest the pau darco

 

[ploticus]

Hello thehumantorch I'll give you my 2 pence on 4 of those points, for what it's worth...
1: Personally, I'd use 2 thirds that ammount of naphtha per pull; will make freeze precip. a lot easier without extra evap. of horrid smelling solvent.
2: Sep funnel will be useless at that stage of a STB- will clog stright away- but can be very useful for 4.
3: Once you've freeze precipped, let the solvent evap down to a half or quarter of original volume and freeze again; if your bark is good you may be surprised at how much slightly dirtier product falls out.
4: A wash of your solvent before freezing with sodium carbonate (washing soda) should remove any lye you've mechanically got in there from your pulls.

For 4, how would SWIM go about washing with sodium carbonate?
SWIM assumes by following the steps outlined in Vovin's tek but would just like to make sure.

 

[acolon_5]

Hey people just wondering how necessary it is to evap 1/2 the shellite (naptha) in the freeze precip step in the Lex Tek?, will not evaping leave some Alk in solution?

Depends on how much shellite you used to extract the alkaloids. If there is an excess of shellite you won't get much crashing out. I guess one way to find out is to stick it in the freezer. If it doesn't get cloudy within 6-8 hours, you should probably evap some of it.

SWIM was wondering if anybody could help him with figuring out how to do marsofold's tek with 1.5lbs powdered material instead of 1lb (with the same equipment if possible). Any help is much appreciated.

Simply add 50% more water, acid, lye, and naphtha. Skip the ammonia wash you will loose a lot of perfectly good spice. Instead if you really want to do a wash check out the threads here for much better washes (which really are not 100% necessary). I suggest recrystalization instead of a wash (or both if you are really comfortable with the process). Also I always use a bit less naphtha per pull, but end up doing more pulls.

 

[fourthripley]

For 4, how would SWIM go about washing with sodium carbonate?
SWIM assumes by following the steps outlined in Vovin's tek but would just like to make sure. [/quote]


Well what I do is mix up some SC in warm water, add the solvent and mix well. No need to worry about emulsions. I seperate with my home-made sep funnel but siphoning will work fine.

 

[Portal]

Hi Guys.

SWIM just performed her first extraction...noman's tek. Seems to have worked well with about a gram of yellowish crystals.

She's at a point now where she feels like she could use some advice:

SWIM has done about five 200ml naphtha pulls on 200g of mimosa and then freeze precipitated. From poking around here, SWIM may have used more naphtha than was necessary.
So what should she do with all this leftover naphtha? If she evaporated a lot of the naphtha and then freezed again for a few days, would goodies fall out? Or should SWIM maybe do another pull with xylene?

She told me that she knows a gram is normal for a 200g batch, but this was supposed to be a special batch of bark that certainly looked the part.

Any advice on what SWIM should do now?

 

[KUSHMASTER]

Sure. Evap it down a bit and stick it back in there for a while to see what you get. Couldn't hurt

 

[Chaos29040]

Im new here, joined 5min ago. I have a question regarding the extraction. ive been lookin around and did a lot of reading. can one use bleach or how about drano as the base for an A/B extraction. using powdered mimosa. i also have naptha on hand. very interested in DMT, will be first time. any help thanks in advance.

 

[Jorkest]

Im new here, joined 5min ago. I have a question regarding the extraction. ive been lookin around and did a lot of reading. can one use bleach or how about drano as the base for an A/B extraction. using powdered mimosa. i also have naptha on hand. very interested in DMT, will be first time. any help thanks in advance.

do NOT use either one of those(bleach or drano) do NOT!

you can use sodium carbonate which you can make from sodium bicarbonate which is baking soda

here is a link to a thread that spells out how easy it is...all it takes is putting it in the oven for a bit..

Easy NaOH alternative tek / Sodium carbonate tek - Advanced/Enhanced chemistry - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[ploticus]

Questions before SWIM does his second extraction (first didn't turn out so well, didn't even know about this site at the time)

He's going to be doing nomans STB, small quantities of rb at a time (50g or so) just to get the hang of things. SWIM was wondering if some nice people would verify a few things for him.

1) Its better to use less solvent and more pulls, than lots of solvent and less pulls.
2) When doing the pulls, warming the soup and solvent in a water bath would be a good idea.
3) Not really something that needs verified, more like a question. What is the best solvent to use - heptane, xylene, or naptha and do the quantities used need to be changed depending on which one SWIM uses. Also if its anything other than naptha can they also be bought at a hardware store in the paint thinner/stripper section? (is there a best brand?)

 

[Noman]

1) Its better to use less solvent and more pulls, than lots of solvent and less pulls.
2) When doing the pulls, warming the soup and solvent in a water bath would be a good idea.
3) Not really something that needs verified, more like a question. What is the best solvent to use - heptane, xylene, or naptha and do the quantities used need to be changed depending on which one SWIM uses. Also if its anything other than naptha can they also be bought at a hardware store in the paint thinner/stripper section? (is there a best brand?)

1 - Yes. Less solvent and more pulls mean concentrated yields of clean spice in the first jars and diminishing yields of oilier in the last. Eventually the solvent will just cloud and not precip and you know you're done.

2 - Heat is great for helping alks into the NP but it also drives in other gunk that one will need to clean out. So wait until one starts to see diminishing returns in the precip and heat the solution for the last pull. Don't bother heating the NP, just heat the solution to 100f or so and add a double shot of NP.

3 - My friend usually does three or four naptha pulls followed by a warm naptha pull followed by a toluene pull. He uses heptane to further separate the extracts.

 

[Chaos29040]

Thanks a lot Jorkest. SWIM will be getting some baking soda some time soon, and will post his results of extraction when started.

 

[ploticus]

1 - Yes. Less solvent and more pulls mean concentrated yields of clean spice in the first jars and diminishing yields of oilier in the last. Eventually the solvent will just cloud and not precip and you know you're done.

2 - Heat is great for helping alks into the NP but it also drives in other gunk that one will need to clean out. So wait until one starts to see diminishing returns in the precip and heat the solution for the last pull. Don't bother heating the NP, just heat the solution to 100f or so and add a double shot of NP.

3 - My friend usually does three or four naptha pulls followed by a warm naptha pull followed by a toluene pull. He uses heptane to further separate the extracts.

SWIM thanks you kindly!