official extraction help thread

[psilocybin]

Any questions or problems you may run into during an extraction can be asked to get other members input in this thread.

 

[Du57mi73]

is supersaturated naphtha cloudy and white before the freezer, or after?

AFOAF said It went in looking like water, now 3 hours later it looks like skim milk.

You're good. Goes in clear but as the solubility drops in the freeze the alkaloids become solids/visible in the solution(the cloudiness you/"AFOAF" see)

 

[datdmt]

i have a friend who cant boil a vinegar solution because he has family in town, he wants to know if its ok to add vinegar and acacia c root bark powder till the ph was 4 and let it sit for a day or two.

 

[Du57mi73]

That's perfectly okay, in fact it will most likely increase his yeilds.

 

[RideFree]

Hey you,

first of all: Thank you to all Members!! what an outstanding place to read

i'm a quiet reader since this year, and very new to extractions and the processes behind generelly.. so, i hope you can help me a bit

SWIMs first Project now is to extract LSA from HBWR with the PanoraMIX HBWR Extract-Tek (PanoraMIX HBWR Extract - DMT-Nexus Wiki)

SWIM has 600ml IPA now, ready for evap

my questions are:
-Is it possible, WITHOUT Toulene or DCM, to get a purer Extrakt?
-Which solvents are simmilar to Toulene or DCM and easy to buy in EU?
-Why is LSA soluble in Toulene or DCM? I remember LSA is soluble in polar solvents, Toulene/DCM are non-polar?!

Thank you & sorry for my bad english ;-)
RF

 

[slugware]

Hey,

i have two questions :

1. I just checked the tempertature of my refrigerator freezer . - 10 C . Is this OK for freeze precip? I am going to do a Cyb's hybrid salt tek. Speaking of salt >

2. i know non-iodized salt is better for this, but i can't find any. All the stores here have only table iodized salt. Is it okay to use with this tek?

Cheers!

 

[RideFree]

Hey you,
my questions are:
-Is it possible, WITHOUT Toulene or DCM, to get a purer Extrakt?
-Which solvents are simmilar to Toulene or DCM and easy to buy in EU?
-Why is LSA soluble in Toulene or DCM? I remember LSA is soluble in polar solvents, Toulene/DCM are non-polar?!

i think i can answer the last question by myself ;-)

LSA (Salt) is soluble in polar solvents like water,IPA etc.. but if you increase the ph of the solvent, the LSA converts to the Freebase, which is soluble in non-polar solvents. Thats the reason why i can pull it with Toulene or DCM.

correct me if i'm wrong please

 

[dooby]

Hey,

i have two questions :

1. I just checked the tempertature of my refrigerator freezer . - 10 C . Is this OK for freeze precip? I am going to do a Cyb's hybrid salt tek. Speaking of salt >

2. i know non-iodized salt is better for this, but i can't find any. All the stores here have only table iodized salt. Is it okay to use with this tek?

Cheers!

1 Yes
2 No - at least I don't think so

 

[Du57mi73]

So far no one knows if iodized salt is Okay to use, but its advised not to use it.

 

[dooby]

Hello,

Most cleaning/purification teks mention either washing the spice while still in a solvent or doing a recrystallisation - most of them are about fumarates as well and I don't have any of those...

What I do have is a solution of vinegar, water and lye containing quite a few freebase molecules and crystals...

Foolishly, I have been pulling from this solution with naphtha...

Why shouldn't I gently pour the solution through a coffee filter and then rinse the dmt with cold water, then air dry? Will the NaOH dissolve the coffee filter?

I'll make a small solution of NaOH and water and pour this through a coffee filter and see what happens...

 

[Du57mi73]

Dooby, it depends on what you're trying to clean off of your spice, if its oils(which most people are trying to remove to get pure white crystals), then a re-x and freeze precip is the best way to do that. If you're trying to clean up lye/base soup contamination then mixxing it back into an acid(vinegar), rebasing, and pulling again is another option. Its just a waste of materials when all you really need is just a NPS. That's why people prefer that. It doesn't require lye or acids.

 

[dooby]

Since there is no organic material in the solution, just water, vinegar and sodium hydroxide I thought i might be able to remove the freebase crystals, which have clearly precipitated, without use of an nps...

I'll do some more pulls with nps and save some of the solution for a filtration/wash experiment...

 

[FourWinds]

FourWinds has done some searching and has a few questions he's been unable to find.

Can 91% isopropyl alcohol can be dried to 100% like 99% can with heated epsom salts. Is this possible? If so, how much heated epsom salt should one used?

FourWinds wants to try mescaline fumarate as he is tired of nauseating pedro powder. A few people on here have reported it to be insoluble in fasipa, so he wants to give it a go. He will also be experimenting with acrb extractions and is curious if nmt will precipitate when adding sodium carbonate solution as in BLAB tek water precipitation? It'd be nice if it didn't for accurate dosing and making changa.

One last thing, has anyone tried fasipa with acrb? If so what were the results?

Thanks.

 

[Du57mi73]

FASI should work just as well with acrb as anything else.

Epsoms should be soluble somewhere in the range of 1g/100ml IPA. I don't think you want any mag sulfate in your final IPA though, so I don't think you want to do this. If you want to try this anyway to see what actually happens then heat the epsoms to 500 degrees for an hour or two and it'll be ready. Then absorb a gram of it into 100ml of your IPA and see how much of it drops out(noting that it will be heptahydrate when it comes out.

I'm pretty sure NMT will follow what DMT in the BLAB tek.

These are all guesses based on prior experience, and I hope someone can answer you with more definitive answers.

 

[FourWinds]

FourWinds appreciates your response, he thinks your right and will just go with 69 ron's extraction. He can't wait to try an extraction on acrb and see what happens.

 

[Du57mi73]

Good luck.

 

[1080p]

To recrystallise bufotenine, would I just make a water bath and place the crystals in some ethyl acetone on top, filter and leave to evaporate? thanks

 

[Du57mi73]

Are you suggesting mixing the water bath with the acetone or using it to heat the acetone?

Mix your bufo with acetone, pour off acetone, and evap.

 

[1080p]

using it to heat the acetone - ok thanks

 

[1080p]

Oh so also do you know if this will help if the bufo xtals are in the alluring form of a brown oil-goo?

 

[Du57mi73]

If it reacts anything like n,n-, then a re-x will help no matter what form its in.