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Another way out for example is to crudely transfer the solvent to a thin and tall container, even if carrying some of the black liquid together. Then, with a clean baster, pull the solvent out. In a tall thin container, the layers will be much thicker and therefore easier to make the separation more accurately. The last part that cant be separated accurately, put back with the rest and add the next pull. This way it wont be wasted. Only the last bit of the last pull will be wasted, but its so little in percentage of the total yield that its no problem
DarkShaman
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endlessness said:
Yes indeed. I apply this technique to what I refer to as "the dregs". Break it down as follows: 1)In general, I usually perform a series of 100g:100g:1500mL mhrb:lye:H2O extractions in large, pickle-sized jars (I believe they are 1 gal.). 2)After my 3rd HOT heptane pull the near-exhausted mixture is added to a lidded 5-gal bucket (make sure to check the hdpe rating on the bottom) containing other "near-exhausted" liquids, A.K.A.: the dregs. Once a bucket is near full (not too full, though) I 3) add a boiling amount of xylene (equivalent to total volume's water:solvent or solvent:mhrb ratio) and 4) stir, roll, swish vigorously for 5 minutes or so. This is repeated 2-3 more times, then left overnight to seperate completely.
From this point I implement SWI endlessness's tall, skinny container technique. Using a turkey baster I seperate the now-yellow, junglistic xylene into a tall drinking glass, paying no mind to any brown nasties that may accompany the liquid. From here, using my razor-like precision skills, the xylene is transferred, via large 20-30cc syringe (minus needle), to a large pyrex baking dish & allowed to evap. I generally end up, after days of drying & when the yellow no longer has a sticky or tacky feel to it, with a massive conglomerate of pancaked-flat snowflakes crammed edge to edge. Out of an initial pull of a 5-gal bucket of dregs I once yielded over 3g (completely dry) of fresh, light-yellow jungle magic.
Recrystallizations are then generally applied 2-3x
goodvibes1
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Hello everyone a friend did nomans extraction with 226g of mhrb and followed it to a T. The only thing he did differently was to "spread out" the naptha by putting small amounts in many jars (about 7-8). None of these jars have yielded any spice, but the final pull that was left in the soup overnight yielded within 6 hours in the freezer. Should he combine them all together and evaporate it down by 1/2 or 1/3 and then place back in the freezer or did he totally botch it? Thanks.
super.taboo
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Hey guys. SWIM tried out the drytech extraction on 50g of MHRB. After mixing with sodium carbonate (50g), adding water and mixing to a paste, SWIM dried it with anhydrous magnesium sulphate and then let it sit with acetone overnight.
SWIM decanted the acetone, made a FASA solution (300mg fumaric acid / 100ml acetone), added it dropwise to the supposedly DMT-rich yellow acetone pull. The only problem was that there was no real visible precipitation forming, and no crystals began to form.
How long does one have to wait for crystals to form? Did SWIM make a mistake during the extraction?
Thanks!
SWIM decanted the acetone, made a FASA solution (300mg fumaric acid / 100ml acetone), added it dropwise to the supposedly DMT-rich yellow acetone pull. The only problem was that there was no real visible precipitation forming, and no crystals began to form.
How long does one have to wait for crystals to form? Did SWIM make a mistake during the extraction?
Thanks!
SWIM has never dreamed of this dry tek working beautifully. He has dreamed however of other people having problems. He would advise noobs to try other already tested and proven tek before going to some more advanced method like that!.
But basically, if no precipitation is seen, the most likely reason woudl be that the sodium carbonate/MHRB mix was not dry enough. If it is not totally dry, then FASA won't work. One cannot judge by eye how dry it is. Better leave it till it is really dry, then mix in some dry magnesium sulphate to make sure it is totally dry. Then pull with acetone.
but what can be done now with SWIY's thing? If he wants to salvage it, it is better to evaporate the acetone. This should give the fumarates, any unused fumaric acid, and other crap. Take this stuff, mix it with sodium carbonate (to freebase it again) and repeat the process by pulling with acetone.
But basically, if no precipitation is seen, the most likely reason woudl be that the sodium carbonate/MHRB mix was not dry enough. If it is not totally dry, then FASA won't work. One cannot judge by eye how dry it is. Better leave it till it is really dry, then mix in some dry magnesium sulphate to make sure it is totally dry. Then pull with acetone.
but what can be done now with SWIY's thing? If he wants to salvage it, it is better to evaporate the acetone. This should give the fumarates, any unused fumaric acid, and other crap. Take this stuff, mix it with sodium carbonate (to freebase it again) and repeat the process by pulling with acetone.
super.taboo
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Thanks! I'm evaporating the acetone right now. SWIM actually did 3 different FASA extractions.
The first one was pulled with acetone after freebasing, and then evaporated to leave a very nasty yellowish residue that smelled like excrement. This was left out for a few days, then acetone was added to perform the FASA extraction. It seems to be precipitating, but the crystals look nothing like what they're described as in other threads. They look very granular, not long and thin. This could have been a result of pouring in the FASA instead of adding it dropwise?
The second batch was from acetone that sat in the same freebase mix for a few days (SWIM didn't have any fumaric acid so this is why I left these two extractions for a few days). It was dark red in hue, and didn't seem to be precipitating at all after adding FASA.
The third batch was the one mentioned above. This came from a fresh batch of freebased MHRB. It felt incredibly dry when touched, so there must have been almost no water present.
Pictures will be posted when the acetone is fully evaporated from all of the batches.
The first one was pulled with acetone after freebasing, and then evaporated to leave a very nasty yellowish residue that smelled like excrement. This was left out for a few days, then acetone was added to perform the FASA extraction. It seems to be precipitating, but the crystals look nothing like what they're described as in other threads. They look very granular, not long and thin. This could have been a result of pouring in the FASA instead of adding it dropwise?
The second batch was from acetone that sat in the same freebase mix for a few days (SWIM didn't have any fumaric acid so this is why I left these two extractions for a few days). It was dark red in hue, and didn't seem to be precipitating at all after adding FASA.
The third batch was the one mentioned above. This came from a fresh batch of freebased MHRB. It felt incredibly dry when touched, so there must have been almost no water present.
Pictures will be posted when the acetone is fully evaporated from all of the batches.
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super.taboo
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SWIM went with this tek because of it's safety and simplicity. SWIM had no idea it could become this problematic. Salvaging these pulls would be very good or else 150g of MHRB will have been destroyed 
and SWIM has yet to experience the amazing spice that is DMT.
One of the confusing parts of the tek was the time frame of each step. How much time should each step take? What's a fullproof way of decanting/filtering the freebased DMT acetone from the material?
Hopefully once SWIM is able to perform this tek with relative ease SWIM can develop a more detailed tek with pictures to help make this safe method more desirable over the toxic teks.
and SWIM has yet to experience the amazing spice that is DMT.One of the confusing parts of the tek was the time frame of each step. How much time should each step take? What's a fullproof way of decanting/filtering the freebased DMT acetone from the material?
Hopefully once SWIM is able to perform this tek with relative ease SWIM can develop a more detailed tek with pictures to help make this safe method more desirable over the toxic teks.
super.taboo
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So after mixing the first and third batches with sodium carbonate, drying, and extracting with acetone, SWIM ended up with a very sticky yellow goo. SWIM is not quite sure what to do with this, as it's almost impossible to get up from the glass. Now I'm really stuck
Please help! SWIM really wants to keep using this method!
Please help! SWIM really wants to keep using this method!
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Whats the best method for recrystallising/cleaning up DMT after a naptha evap using marsofold tek.? Purity is important because this DMT will be administered IV.There is a gram and a half of material ATM so im not working with much starting material. How much dmt is wasted when you recrystalise in naptha? All Ive got for chemicals is sodium carbonate,citric acid,acetone,xylol,HCL
just recrystalize with minimum amount of warm naphtha (30ml per g of dmt, so in your first case 45ml, but then adjust in each recrystalization as the amount gets smaller), letting the naphtha in for a minute or two, pippetting it out and leaving the dark goo behind.. Then into the freezer. I would do it 3 times in your case.. Also I have no idea about IV, I personally wouldnt do it but I know there are some people that did..
Be very careful please! Make sure there is no left over solvent or other chemicals, read around a lot before! and having some sitter would be definitely advisable, so you dont hurt yourself while injecting/removing needle.
I saw a thread once of someone adding hcl dropwise to make a solution of dmt hcl salt, but I also know that dmt fumarate was the form used by strassmann in his studies..
Be very careful please! Make sure there is no left over solvent or other chemicals, read around a lot before! and having some sitter would be definitely advisable, so you dont hurt yourself while injecting/removing needle.
I saw a thread once of someone adding hcl dropwise to make a solution of dmt hcl salt, but I also know that dmt fumarate was the form used by strassmann in his studies..
HappyCamper
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I'll ask a pretty common question. I was thinking of a STB, with a 1 hour soak. Then 4 warm naptha pulls(5 min stir and 5 min separate). I assume that will be the same as many short agitations right?
super.taboo
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How long does SWIM have to let acetone soak in MHRB that's been freebased with sodium carbonate to achieve maximum absorption? SWIM knows 3 washes is the norm but is unsure of how long to wait for each wash.
SWIMs got a question...
Swim used the DMT for the masses tek and left the naphtha in the MHRB lye combination for too long. Swim had done this tek before with good results... but never had tried the product swims self...
the end result was white crystals of good quality...
this time the result was a bit yellowish and waxy mixed with whitish crystals.
When the product was vaporized after washing with ammonia and dried the result was that it left a slight burning sensation in swims mouth and lips. is this normal? swim had not dont this in years so swim cant recall if this is normal?
the strength was not all that good either... about 15mg-10mg where vaporized just to get an idea...
does swim need to wash the crystals again with ammonia or do a recrystallization?
Swim used the DMT for the masses tek and left the naphtha in the MHRB lye combination for too long. Swim had done this tek before with good results... but never had tried the product swims self...
the end result was white crystals of good quality...
this time the result was a bit yellowish and waxy mixed with whitish crystals.
When the product was vaporized after washing with ammonia and dried the result was that it left a slight burning sensation in swims mouth and lips. is this normal? swim had not dont this in years so swim cant recall if this is normal?
the strength was not all that good either... about 15mg-10mg where vaporized just to get an idea...
does swim need to wash the crystals again with ammonia or do a recrystallization?
SWim has defintely noticed that the longer one keeps the nap in the mark the more yellowish the nap gets as well as the spice...
if one does quick and multiple pulls with warm nap the whiter and cleaner the crystals. they are also less harsh on the throat and mouth when smoking... or so swim heard from a FOAF...
if one does quick and multiple pulls with warm nap the whiter and cleaner the crystals. they are also less harsh on the throat and mouth when smoking... or so swim heard from a FOAF...
Stinky Catz
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I've studied the A/B and the STB methods. Which one is easier for a first timer?
Thanks.
Thanks.
STB is the easiest method...SWIM can go from root bark to crystals in three hours(not all the crystals..but a smokeable amount)
with a 50g batch he can get about 150mg in three hours..this is even including the freeze precipitation..
it takes about 20-30 minutes to grind the bark and make the lye/water solution..and then he puts in the solvent..and stirs around for 20 minutes..and then pours that off..and then puts it in the freezer..and WWAM..2.5 hours later crystals
with a 50g batch he can get about 150mg in three hours..this is even including the freeze precipitation..
it takes about 20-30 minutes to grind the bark and make the lye/water solution..and then he puts in the solvent..and stirs around for 20 minutes..and then pours that off..and then puts it in the freezer..and WWAM..2.5 hours later crystals
justin4529
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Most all of the DMT teks out there involve the use of sodium hydroxide, usually in the form of Red Devil Lye. However, most of the teks out there are a few years old and after a little research ive found that Red Devil was taken off of most shelves years ago. Not only that, but the purchasing of most any sodium hydroxide contaning agent is monitored due to its use in the production of meth. That being said, what are most people using nowadays for the basification step in most teks? Are there other products out there? Has anyone ordered it online? Any input would be appreciated.
memo
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Check out the Mescaline or Bufotenin extraction TEKS. The current cutting edge was developed by 69Ron and others and uses Calcium Hydroxide "Pickling Lime". The powdered plant material is mixed with about 1/4 the weight in calcium hydroxide and just enough water is added to make it moist. The reaction will give off an ammonia smell. A solvent that the freebase is soluble in is then added. If it is dmt freebase then naptha could be used for the wash and then be freeze precipitated.
