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fraterS.O.L.
Bill Nye
Oh and ugh1979, have you tried extracting the MHRB? I tried ayahusca several time with little to no effect, except kneeling at the porcelain alter. I didn't get much outta huasca's until I started extracting and grew the balls to try it pharma-style. Thats what I would do.
ugh1979 said:
I see quite a few potential problems there which explain the low effects. The purging 10 mins later is definitely one of them, but you should be thankful for it because 15g mhrb can be waaaay too strong dosage! Take 5g next time when you get it right. After I have gotten my ass seriously kicked by 9g (and i usually need much higher doses than most people for oral dmt), I know its just not necessary to take this much. But yeah 10 mins purging is way too soon, a lot of it wont have been absorbed.
Where is your mimosa from, btw? If its bad quality mimosa it could be a reason, but if its good mimosa then as I said, please take 5g next time.
The heating will not have destroyed the dmt.
Im sure you mean 300mg moclobemide, not g, yes? The other issue I see is that you have taken the dmt 45mins after the MAOI. I think this is not an effective way, its better to take them closer to each other (or even together, specially in the case of ayahuasca or when both the MAOI and the DMT are dissolved in a solution). I also suggest trying harmalas for MAOI instead of pharmaceutical one. Caapi is perfect for brewing as you did with your mimosa, but otherwise rue works fine. If working with rue I suggest extracting it. Some people already buy them pure, FlowingVisions is one of the possible suppliers for it, though I preffer extracting myself, way cheaper and a more fulfilling process.
By the way, no need to use deionized water, tap water should work fine.
Good luck next time, and tell us how it went
Hello friends.
This will be my first post on this forum.
I'm going to be carrying out '69ron's D-Limonene Mescaline Extraction' within the next week and as I don't want to get it wrong I'll be asking a few questions here.
My first question is would 4% acidic vinegar work with the extraction, I didn't realise it wasn't 5% until I got home, would this cause any problems with the extraction, It's not a problem buying another bottle with 5% acidity it's just abit of a waste!
This will be my first post on this forum.
I'm going to be carrying out '69ron's D-Limonene Mescaline Extraction' within the next week and as I don't want to get it wrong I'll be asking a few questions here.
My first question is would 4% acidic vinegar work with the extraction, I didn't realise it wasn't 5% until I got home, would this cause any problems with the extraction, It's not a problem buying another bottle with 5% acidity it's just abit of a waste!
its perfectly fine, wont make any difference.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Also would it be better to leave the cactus soaking for a day or more, or will it really not make a bit of difference.
I'm still waiting on a couple of things to arrive in the post but thought I could get the cactus soaking already.
Also would it be better to leave the cactus soaking for a day or more, or will it really not make a bit of difference.
I'm still waiting on a couple of things to arrive in the post but thought I could get the cactus soaking already.
endlessness said:
Thanks for your reply but my experience today with the tek I used before was great. My MHRB is from ebay and I guess it is really weak as I used 35g today and consumed it all in one. Someone on another board suggested doubling the dose I had last time so I tried that and it worked. Also, i've been told elsewhere that boiling will have destroyed the DMT and that I need to just simmer, which is what I did today, and gave a much better result than last time, although it could well have been due to the increased dose.
I've also read in many places that I should consume the MAOI 45mins in advance rather than at the same time. I don't see why it should make too much difference though as surely the MAOI is long enough lasting to be effective when consumed 45mins in advance, and it makes sure I absorb it before the inevitable purge of the MHRB liquid. I've also read many places that Moclobemide is a great MAOI to use for oral DMT and means that there is a lot less nasty liquid to drink.
I tried the same tek again today using 35g powdered MHRB rather than 15g, and made sure not to boil the 250ml water I used. I acidified the water a little more this time as well just to make sure. I ended up with 200ml liquid after the first pull. I started doing a second pull but messed up and let the water boil while I was on the computer and was left with hardly any water so I just binned it.
I don't think I could have stomached any more than 200ml of the liquid anyway so was happy to just go with what I had from the first pull, even though I would have only probably have got ~70% of the DMT leeched out the MHRB. (Based on what others have said of the first pull).
I had my MAOI 45mins previous as before consuming the liquid, then 15mins after, some bread and butter to help my system absorb the DMT. Shortly after that I purged, but then it all got very very interesting so I must have absorbed enough. I had amazing visuals which peaked for about 20mins with an overall visual trip of about 1 hour. There was one point I thought I wasn't enjoying it anymore due to the lack of any euphoria but it soon ended and everything calmed down a little and started being really funny. Back to baseline within an hour and half.
Attenbourgh's Life In The Undergrowth has been on all day so it was perfect to have on in the background as my hallucinations developed all sorts of organic and nature elements.
I think I might like to try this again during an aMT trip as i'd love to add aMTs euphoric element. Does anyone have any experience of that combination?
fraterS.O.L.
Bill Nye
Good for you ugh. I was gonna tell you about the egg white or jello tricks thinking that purrging was the proble, but I guess you solved your mystery. congrats.
for sure doubling the dose is going to give you a stronger experience, but this says nothing about the effectiveness of your experience. In fact, to me it says the inverse.. If you need 35g of mimosa for a decent experience, knowing this is 7x as much as what is needed for any normal mimosa, points out that
a- you have the worse supplier of mimosa Ive ever heard (but even if its weak, I doubt it would be nearly 10x as weak)
or b- your ingestion method is horribly flawed in some aspect
I would tend more towards b, or at least a mix of a and b. I feel sorry because its a huge waste of mimosa and money for you to have this experience and im sure it could be better.
thats not exactly good logic because, first of all, if you took twice the dose, it should have been twice as good result, so it would be hard giving any 'strenght' to this hypothesis of the heat variable. But most specially, the heat of boiling dmt in a solution absolutely does not destroy dmt. Several evidences: dmt in salt form has a boiling point higher than 100c. Also, Ayahuasca is traditionally boiled strongly for several hours with no decreased strenght. Also, in a typical A/B extraction the mimosa may be boiled also for several hours with no diminished yield.
wait, inevitable purge? So again you purged soon after? Man, obviously you arent getting much effects, you are throwing away all your dmt in that purge. A small part is being absorbed, again saving you from pure hell because 35g mimosa is a huge overdose which will probably make you swear off these substances for a very long time. I think you should eat some pure ginger before and after ingesting the mimosa to help with the nausea, and try to keep it down as long as possible. I also think that the fact that you are taking way too much is making your body react and throw it away, if you take a small amount, say, 5g, and keep it down all the time, it will be more effective. Just try it once and let us know. Another thing you can do is try the egg white tannin removal. Run a search and you'll find how its done, it helps with the nausea/bad taste.
I dont know the duration of moclobemide's action but there are other things to consider. Maybe moclobemide doesnt inhibit all the MAO, or maybe part of the MAO will not be inhibited anymore at that point. When one drinks the MAOI together with DMT in a solution, its possible that the MAOI will be protecting the dmt more effectively as its absorbed. Some may disagree but what I do know is from personal experience and from the experience of others I have read, it is more effective to drink it together or just after (max 20 mins after), than waiting so long. You can try it yourself and let us know how it went.
Again, maybe moclobemide is a good MAOI for dmt, maybe not. Maybe different metabolism from individuals will make them more or less prone to the MAOI action of one or another substance. Personally I like to avoid pharmaceutical MAOIs. On one hand because I dont like to give money to pharmaceutical industries, which I find arent the most ethical companies in the world. But also, I find a big part of the actual healing part of ayahuasca comes from harmalas (and its a fact that thh from caapi is responsible for increasing number of serotonin platelets in the synapses, which is basically making you more sensitive to serotonine, being like a natural anti-depressive action). I also like the effects of harmalas, I find that the synergy between them and dmt is very beneficial. Again, this is all personal, but I suggest you do try it sometime with harmalas instead, in the very least to know first-hand that its not for you and that you preffer moclobemide, or potentially to find that they are indeed much much better.
Even though I also feel that some of the plant matter can be beneficial, specially in the case of caapi vine, I do enjoy taking pure harmalas. Pure harmalas can be extracted from syrian rue, as I said before, and in this way you wont have to have 'nasty liquid' to drink. You can order it as I also said, if you dont want to extract.
again, problems I see here. You are drinking 200ml of liquid?! Damn man thats just wrong.. You can reduce all of your liquid to, say, 70-100ml, no need to drink so much, that will just be unnecessarily nasty. In fact, if you brewed your maoi and dmt together (rue/caapi + mimosa/p.viridis), you could make both of them together and reduce as low as 70-100ml, no need to drink too much liquid.
Just take all im saying as constructive criticism. I think your making many mistakes in your consumption, wasting your money and mimosa, and most specially, if you continue like this you are bound to have a very bad experience if you do end up making it effective one day, while taking all this unnecessary amount of mimosa. I really suggest you try to do the changes I am saying, at least once, to see if it works for you. If it doesnt, so be it, then you know, but I am pretty confident it will work. Let us know if you do try something different.
fraterS.O.L.
Bill Nye
ugh1979 said:[
Someone on another board
i've been told elsewhere
I've also read in many places
. I've also read many places
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lots of info out there, regardless, Endless and crew here are a Much better source of info. id suggest forgetting much of what was learned elsewhere
Welcome btw
69ron stated in his discussion thread that d-limonene should be clear, I have ordered 2 big bottles of Citrus Siensis - Sweet Oranage, and its a deep oranage.
Will this cause any problems and bring impurities, this is really annoying as I have already soaked my cactus powder and calcium in water.
Will this cause any problems and bring impurities, this is really annoying as I have already soaked my cactus powder and calcium in water.
Citrus Siensis oil is only 90% limonene. I dunno what kind of problems it will cause or what the other chems in it are, but I'd look at the MSDS if I were you (and in the future try to get food grade limonene from jimjam shop if you're in the UK or greenterpene if you're in the States). I wouldn't use that stuff you've currently got, but you'll need to do the research and figure out how you wanna proceed.james said:
Well I went ahead with the extraction, I feel like abit of an idiot ordering the oil but anyway this is what I have now ended up with after 1 Citrus Siensis oil extraction.
The top orange layer is just a tiny bit of the oil that came through (the gravy seperator was a nightmare and I finally gave up on it)
Below the oil is a weird floating solid and below that is light yellow vinegar, what do you guys think is this salvageable if i try and just keep the very bottom layer while trying to keep that floating solid out. And any idea what the floating stuff is, I guess its from using the oil.
siigh.
And let me just double check then, so this is the right stuff jimjamshop.com - Ressources et information concernant jimjamshop Resources and Information. ?
I have another 100g's of pedro so I'll try again with the real stuff also, although on the website it does say its NOT food-grade.
The top orange layer is just a tiny bit of the oil that came through (the gravy seperator was a nightmare and I finally gave up on it)
Below the oil is a weird floating solid and below that is light yellow vinegar, what do you guys think is this salvageable if i try and just keep the very bottom layer while trying to keep that floating solid out. And any idea what the floating stuff is, I guess its from using the oil.
siigh.
And let me just double check then, so this is the right stuff jimjamshop.com - Ressources et information concernant jimjamshop Resources and Information. ?
I have another 100g's of pedro so I'll try again with the real stuff also, although on the website it does say its NOT food-grade.
This floating layer seems similar to what I had already even with mostly pure (96%) FG limonene, though its hard to judge exactly by picture. In part it was like an emulsion, which settled when I tapped for a few minutes on the jar. But I remember there was still some solids/foam floating in between the two layers that didnt go away. Maybe there is something in limo/oil that reacts with acids. But just separate the vinegar layer, leaving that part behind with the oil, and proceed as usual. You can just pour back the oil in the main extraction jar, with these solids and all, to reuse the limo for next pull, if you want.
good luck and keep us informed. Yeah thats the right stuff, the jimjamshop limo
good luck and keep us informed. Yeah thats the right stuff, the jimjamshop limo
Ok I've been seperating the bottom layer with a pipette for the past 20 minutes (as this gravy seperator is seriously useless lol) and it looks way more promosing now, VERY light clean yellow viniger, I'll post a picture soon.
Edit:
Here is the picture, right side is the new solution which i seperated using a pipette, left side is the old solution with abit of oil inside, finding it hard to get anymore without dragging that emulsion.
Edit:
Here is the picture, right side is the new solution which i seperated using a pipette, left side is the old solution with abit of oil inside, finding it hard to get anymore without dragging that emulsion.
Well everything seems to have worked, but god does it take ages to dry out had it in the oven for hours on around 70-80c constantly flatening it out.
Anyway heres a picture of the final product before MEK, I might post a full selection of pictures later.
This is after just one citrus siensis pull, doing the other in a minute.
Ended up with 404mg from one pull, is that reasonable.
Maybe not the biggest extraction but it was my first time and I have found a few extra tools around the house to help me with the next pull, including 1ml syringes which should help me pull off all the final bits of vinegar.
Also must you add epsom salts to all kinds of mek to make it DRY? this is my mek:
Thanks for the help
Anyway heres a picture of the final product before MEK, I might post a full selection of pictures later.
This is after just one citrus siensis pull, doing the other in a minute.
Ended up with 404mg from one pull, is that reasonable.
Maybe not the biggest extraction but it was my first time and I have found a few extra tools around the house to help me with the next pull, including 1ml syringes which should help me pull off all the final bits of vinegar.
Also must you add epsom salts to all kinds of mek to make it DRY? this is my mek:
Thanks for the help
Waffles
Rising Star
Greetings everyone! I've been studying psychedelics and especially DMT and psilocybe mushrooms for the last year or so and finally decided to try and extract some spice. I kind of combined the tek from erowid with vovin's tek basically just trying to get it done as fast and easily as possible. So I used A/B tek with HCl, NaOH, reverse osmosis water and petrol. All of my chemicals were bought from a pharmacy so they should be high quality and to be clear the petrol is clean also so I guess it's the same as naptha? At first when I soaked my Mimosa hostilis (50g) in acidified water 3 times 200 ml everything was fine, I ran the liquid through a cotton t-shirt and put the liquid in the freezer. In the morning I again filtered the 600 ml of solution and started to defat 2 times with 100 ml of naptha each time. I then put around 3 grams of NaOH in 100 ml of water and poured it into the main liquid which first turned black/purple. I stirred for 5 min or so and added 100 ml of naphta. I checked back to realise that the naphta was somehow lost in the black/purple liquid, it wasn't floating on the top like it should've have and there was no pink foam like many teks suggest there should've been so I assumed adding some salt, rest of the lye water and 100 ml naphta might help. After adding the lye water the liquid turned completely black. I added a table spoon of salt probably but the liquid was already saturated with salt and most of it seemed to fall to the bottom and stick on the sides of my zip lock bag (indeed I was using zip lock bags because ordering one seems to cost around 100 euros around this part of forsaken northern Europe and I know some plastic chemicals might dissolve but I don't really mind). This action didn't improve the situation at all as the naphta was now 100% invisible and seemed to have been absorbed by the black sludge somehow. Can I do something to save my investment and do you have any idea what I might've done wrong to make naphta soluable in a liquid that consists of water and salt. I did use pH papers but with all the colors from the liquid itself it's hard to say if those measurings were accurate.
TL;DR I used A/B and when trying to extract from basified liquid the naphta simply vanished into the black/purple goo and adding more lye water+salt+naptha didn't help at all. The whole thing is just black liquid now. It's been in my kitchen in the same zip lock bag for over 2 days now. Halp please.
TL;DR I used A/B and when trying to extract from basified liquid the naphta simply vanished into the black/purple goo and adding more lye water+salt+naptha didn't help at all. The whole thing is just black liquid now. It's been in my kitchen in the same zip lock bag for over 2 days now. Halp please.
