Aquarian_Angel
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Why after evaporation is my DMT very oily?
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Oily dmt
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Did you freeze precipitate? What kind of solvent did you use?
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Aquarian_Angel
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No I didn't freeze precipitate and I used Naptha.
Aquarian_Angel
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Can you use acetone for the solvent?
Ouboet
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I believe one should de-fat before basefying. But now that is not an option. Acetone can be used to de-fat, and the dmt is soluble in acetone. I am still a novice, but I had a yellow grease with my first attempt. I was so discouraged that everything was full of this grease, that I grabbed nail acetone to just get most back together again. It was not Propper acetone though. Out of desperation I grabbed a piece of bread, scraped all together, and ate it. Except for a deeeep sleep after 2 hours of waiting for a reaction.
Now I'm going for the FASA method because of the oils in acacia species.
If you had "Fumaric Acid Saturated Acetone", you could pull all the dmt's out of the acetone. I can only watch the comments, and learn with you. What to do?
Now I'm going for the FASA method because of the oils in acacia species.
If you had "Fumaric Acid Saturated Acetone", you could pull all the dmt's out of the acetone. I can only watch the comments, and learn with you. What to do?
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downwardsfromzero
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Not only that, what was the starting material and the extraction method?Voidmatrix said:
Oiliness can be down to one or more of several reasons and is not necessarily bad. Oily DMT from evaporated naphtha really ought to be purified, however. One way is to redissolve the oily material in the minimum sufficient warm naphtha (no naked flames!) and then cool it off slowly. It would be optimal if you could put it in the freezer (or maybe even outside during freezing weather).Aquarian_Angel said:
You're not terribly likely to get crystalline material by using acetone, although oily material may become more crystalline on stirring. And sometimes oily material crystallises after being put in a good freezer.
DF0 said:
Good call and thank you. Idk why I just assumed it was MHRB. If it's acacia and there was no defat step, then that's likely why it's oily :lol:
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Aquarian_Angel
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I used MHRB and I'm gonna try just putting it in the freezer for a bit. And see if that does anything. I'm very new to all this. Thank you for all your help and kindness.
downwardsfromzero
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If you have naphtha and a freezer, I'd strongly suggest doing a mini freeze precipitation after redissolving the oily product in the naphtha.
Have you done an evaporation test on (just) the naphtha?
Have you done an evaporation test on (just) the naphtha?
Aquarian_Angel
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What is causing it to be oily? Should I use something besides naptha? I don't completely understand what you mean by redissolving what I have.
downwardsfromzero
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Oiliness could be due to residual solvent (including less volatile components from the naphtha, which is one important reason why freeze precipitation is better than evaporation), or it could be due to the presence of NMT (unlikely with MHRB), or it could be due to oligmerisation (like polymerisation but with just a few molecules) which becomes increasingly likely with increased temperature, time (including air exposure) and base concentration.
At this stage I would recommend a mini A/B.
Dissolve the oily material in the minimum amount of food-grade acid, e.g. vinegar, citric, or ascorbic acid. Add just enough base to bring the pH up to about 11, then pull a few times with a little warm naphtha. Combine the pulls and put them in the freezer. Tomorrow you should have some nice crystals.
At this stage I would recommend a mini A/B.
Dissolve the oily material in the minimum amount of food-grade acid, e.g. vinegar, citric, or ascorbic acid. Add just enough base to bring the pH up to about 11, then pull a few times with a little warm naphtha. Combine the pulls and put them in the freezer. Tomorrow you should have some nice crystals.
Aquarian_Angel
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Ok thank you I will try this and let you know how it turns out
Is it feasible to add enough Xylene or Toluene (or D-limonene) to completely dissolve the oily DMT and proceed with FASA to precipitate DMT fumarate? This might not be most straightforward solution in this scenario for OP, especially if freebase DMT is the final goal, but is it an option?
I'm asking because I ran a small experiment yesterday which yielded oily DMT, likely from elevated temperature using distillation apparatus under slight vacuum to quickly evaporate and reclaim toluene. Everything worked quickly and I was able to reclaim majority of the toluene (400mL), but final product is oily.
As safety is always a priority here, I will point out that I used aspirator to create vacuum, so no ignition source for flammable fumes that inevitably escaped.
I'm asking because I ran a small experiment yesterday which yielded oily DMT, likely from elevated temperature using distillation apparatus under slight vacuum to quickly evaporate and reclaim toluene. Everything worked quickly and I was able to reclaim majority of the toluene (400mL), but final product is oily.
As safety is always a priority here, I will point out that I used aspirator to create vacuum, so no ignition source for flammable fumes that inevitably escaped.
downwardsfromzero
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If there's oligomerisation the acidification in a mini A/B is sufficient to break this up. I don't know if that would happen by dissolving in xylene, or from the addition of the fumaric acid.
Seeing as your oily material, artificer, is from toluene it's likely to be due to impurities so the FASA route is certainly worth a try. And you can, of course, use acetone as the solvent for the oily DMT. That way you're not left with a bunch of mixed solvent.
Seeing as your oily material, artificer, is from toluene it's likely to be due to impurities so the FASA route is certainly worth a try. And you can, of course, use acetone as the solvent for the oily DMT. That way you're not left with a bunch of mixed solvent.
What do you mean by this? I understand the oily DMT will dissolve in the acetone, but then what?downwardsfromzero said:
It's a smallish experiment, I'm guessing .5gram worth of DMT, so I dissolved the oily mess from the evap dish with 80mL D-limonene and put it in 100mL bottle, and now slowly adding FASI, which is clouding up nicely. It'll be matter of time to see if it crystalizes nice or?? I'll report back in 24 hours.
downwardsfromzero
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Dissolve in acetone, then drip in FASA.
But you've used limonene now so it doesn't matter.
Limonene sticks to the product for ages...
But you've used limonene now so it doesn't matter.
Limonene sticks to the product for ages...
DMT Lexus
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The reason of oily DMT is using too much lye. Just my experience.
Using 3 tbs of lye for 1 liter of water helps to avoid of goo. Just control your pH and keep it about 12.
Probably with ACRB it's different but with MHRB it definitely works as I describe.
I was impressed how big the difference is.
Using 3 tbs of lye for 1 liter of water helps to avoid of goo. Just control your pH and keep it about 12.
Probably with ACRB it's different but with MHRB it definitely works as I describe.
I was impressed how big the difference is.
Hah, figures. First time I did anything with FASA/FASI, and concurrently doing first BLAB tek. I guess "leisurely" part of BLAB means take your sweet time.downwardsfromzero said:
This is interesting. I have bit of MHRB tea not basified yet that I was going to get to sometime this week. I'll try doing a small side by side experiment with all other variables the same, I'll pull with n-heptane for optimal chance of pure DMT (avoiding unknown ingredients/effects possible with hardware store toluene) and the only difference between the two tests will be the amount of NaOH.DMT Lexus said:
downwardsfromzero
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Aromatics like toluene or xylene will pull oily stuff anyhow.
Looking forward to hearing how your test goes :thumb_up:
Looking forward to hearing how your test goes :thumb_up:
Reporting back, as promised. After leaving it sit overnight, the DMT fumarate did accumulate on glass, but also there was strange 3 layers of liquid that doesn't make sense to me, wish I took a picture before I poured out what I could of the fluids; anyway some oily goo still remains. I was curious and added water, everything dissolved with no layer separation. Not sure what plan is yet but this is a small side project relative to everything else right now, so just going to put in evap dish and throw in dehydrator for now.artificer said:
I'm suspecting possible contamination from pyrex media bottle that I used for collecting the basified MHRB from separatory funnel caused problems here... might have had a bit of agar stuck to it from mycology work :thumb_dow On a positive note, now I know caustic soda cleans agar off bottles wonderfully.:thumb_up:
Aquarian_Angel, do you have anything to report back yet?
