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on the wall street protests
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So let us ponder things for a moment.
The NY protesters have that manifesto of theirs calling, generally, for self-accountability and justice to be done to those who have blatantly done wrong by us through greed and corruption.
In this rhetorical situation, months from now the amount of protesters in New York has yet to subside and thus they are able to stay motivated enough to endure winter. In fact, the protest has reached a new plateau and President Obama himself steps up support for the protesters by ordering the trail of those Greedy few who abused U.S. citizens. Those involved in the financial meltdown are tried and found guilty of crimes against the American people. They are sentenced to live out the remainder of their life in prison and/or give up their vast amount of wealth. What then?
What will these protests have accomplished other than a few measly convictions which will surely be appealed by those being tried, meaning they will continue to walk free for the remainder of their already aging, old lives. We will not get the justice we seek.
These companies are entangled into the infrastructure of the United States, though their practice of Globalization and Outsourcing is crippling us domestically this will still go on.
Anyone to be actually convicted and thrown in jail will be replaced by another liar, another greedy CEO who will not stop the tradition of gaining profit and ignoring human rights.
I support the people, but the people are ignorant. Companies and corporations will side with the people so that may sell a product they claim symbolizes support for our rights, and people will buy these products. People will continue to support these corporations. People will continue to consume. We are at War for resources, mainly oil, because it's what the U.S. citizenry subconsciously desires; more energy means heated homes and electricity to toast our bread and nuke our pizza.
If the people themselves do not change their own fundamentals, these protests accomplish nothing long-term. The most important term.
It is a step in the right direction to finally show the world just how many Americans are frustrated with the inequality, but people will buy pants made by slaves in China; people will buy Nike shoes made by Taiwanese children; people will buy American grown crops harvested through slave labor and abuse of illegal immigrants working for just as petty hourly wages as those slaves in Asia. People will continue to unknowingly support inequality by more than just refilling their cars with war-tainted gas to get to the job they might have in the future.
People right now are trying to bring attention to the greed of corporations when we must bring attention to the spoiled principles and tendencies of the regular U.S. citizen.
I fear we put too much hope into something that we expect to make a difference, when this will put but a scratch into the foundation of this country that's easily buffered by yet another monopoly arising because the American people are a society of consumers. First world countries are all addicted to consuming, and until that changes, nothing we want such as justice or equality is actually attainable.
Do not get your hopes up for these protests changing anything long-term, for even if they last through the immensely difficult winter season, even if it manages to change a few laws, what is the infrastructure of the United States, Capitalism has taken precedent over the Democracy in which we we're supposed to become. I feel it is solely up to the U.S. Federal Government itself to make enough mistakes (I.e., enacting the draft, marshal law, shutting down the internet during "emergencies", et cetera) that finally unites the people against a greater common evil.
We say that making drugs illegal will not stop people from getting what they want, if we make greed illegal how will that stop those who want money?
The NY protesters have that manifesto of theirs calling, generally, for self-accountability and justice to be done to those who have blatantly done wrong by us through greed and corruption.
In this rhetorical situation, months from now the amount of protesters in New York has yet to subside and thus they are able to stay motivated enough to endure winter. In fact, the protest has reached a new plateau and President Obama himself steps up support for the protesters by ordering the trail of those Greedy few who abused U.S. citizens. Those involved in the financial meltdown are tried and found guilty of crimes against the American people. They are sentenced to live out the remainder of their life in prison and/or give up their vast amount of wealth. What then?
What will these protests have accomplished other than a few measly convictions which will surely be appealed by those being tried, meaning they will continue to walk free for the remainder of their already aging, old lives. We will not get the justice we seek.
These companies are entangled into the infrastructure of the United States, though their practice of Globalization and Outsourcing is crippling us domestically this will still go on.
Anyone to be actually convicted and thrown in jail will be replaced by another liar, another greedy CEO who will not stop the tradition of gaining profit and ignoring human rights.
I support the people, but the people are ignorant. Companies and corporations will side with the people so that may sell a product they claim symbolizes support for our rights, and people will buy these products. People will continue to support these corporations. People will continue to consume. We are at War for resources, mainly oil, because it's what the U.S. citizenry subconsciously desires; more energy means heated homes and electricity to toast our bread and nuke our pizza.
If the people themselves do not change their own fundamentals, these protests accomplish nothing long-term. The most important term.
It is a step in the right direction to finally show the world just how many Americans are frustrated with the inequality, but people will buy pants made by slaves in China; people will buy Nike shoes made by Taiwanese children; people will buy American grown crops harvested through slave labor and abuse of illegal immigrants working for just as petty hourly wages as those slaves in Asia. People will continue to unknowingly support inequality by more than just refilling their cars with war-tainted gas to get to the job they might have in the future.
People right now are trying to bring attention to the greed of corporations when we must bring attention to the spoiled principles and tendencies of the regular U.S. citizen.
I fear we put too much hope into something that we expect to make a difference, when this will put but a scratch into the foundation of this country that's easily buffered by yet another monopoly arising because the American people are a society of consumers. First world countries are all addicted to consuming, and until that changes, nothing we want such as justice or equality is actually attainable.
Do not get your hopes up for these protests changing anything long-term, for even if they last through the immensely difficult winter season, even if it manages to change a few laws, what is the infrastructure of the United States, Capitalism has taken precedent over the Democracy in which we we're supposed to become. I feel it is solely up to the U.S. Federal Government itself to make enough mistakes (I.e., enacting the draft, marshal law, shutting down the internet during "emergencies", et cetera) that finally unites the people against a greater common evil.
We say that making drugs illegal will not stop people from getting what they want, if we make greed illegal how will that stop those who want money?
Limeni
Rising Star
Someone more clever than me might answer you in more detail - but I'd just say that, when I was training to be a teacher, I was given the maxim: "One step at a time".
Before all of this year's rallies, the 1% probably had the view that nobody was watching them. Now at least they are aware that the 99% are starting to get on their case. And also individual people who thought they were the only ones who were aware of the wrong-ness of the system can take huge comfort that they are not alone. And some who weren't aware, now are.
You are right of course...but maybe the only thing we can do at this stage is make a start. .8)
Before all of this year's rallies, the 1% probably had the view that nobody was watching them. Now at least they are aware that the 99% are starting to get on their case. And also individual people who thought they were the only ones who were aware of the wrong-ness of the system can take huge comfort that they are not alone. And some who weren't aware, now are.
You are right of course...but maybe the only thing we can do at this stage is make a start. .8)
These protests aren't a good start, they are a continuation of things. CEO's and the millions of homeless have been made aware, have been shown they are not alone three years ago when this all actually began. Around the same time when CEO's were being kidnapped by the jobless in Europe and Asia.
These protesters are a good continuation of things, I just feel people have misplaced hopes about this directly changing our lives within the coming months or year.
These protesters are a good continuation of things, I just feel people have misplaced hopes about this directly changing our lives within the coming months or year.