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(oral) THH + DMT

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That's waaaaay more than you need, SoCal. Try 20-25 mgs next time, let it sit for 20 minutes, swallow and then hit the spice about 20 minutes after that. You should find it much more enjoyable than your 1st try, and no more intimidating than a straight spice journey.
 
doh! It sounds like someone didn't read the directions properly. thanks for the clarification guys. No wonder my friend got spice inflicted motion sickness.
 
jasons741 said:
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Spice with THH is the only way to fly. Otherwise I feel the spice is not used to its full potential. The T stretches the trip out, softens it somewhat. Swim will be walking down syrian road this evening. He already prepped the tea and has 30 grams worth of liquid to divy up over the next 8-12 journeys. First time down that street. Looking forward to the 'dreamy' side of harmala. THH is the only harmala swim has used and that has only been sublingually due to the expense. Very clear headed and 'loving' journey. One feels 'coddled', like a motherly presence rocking you to sleep. Pure bliss!
Tonight no seeds will be swallowed, only lemon juice and water extracted alkaloids. Hope swims' stomach wont trouble him.
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You speak of expense as if the only way to obtain THH was to buy it? Is this correct? THH is psychedelic on its own and is not an MAOI while harmine and harmaline are MAOI's? Which means THH would not make DMT last any longer like an MAOI traditionally would; just makes the DMT more intense?

Also, why is it so much harder to make Tetrahydroharmine HCl than it is for oen to make harmaline/harmine? What is needed for THH, a soxhlet per chance?

My sugar glider plans to;
1. T+00:00 Sub lingual 20mg THH
2. T+00:45 Vaporize 30mg Spice
3. T+01:00 Back to Baseline?
 
jasons741 said:
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I am no chemist. But from what I have gleaned from those in the know, the best way to combine those is by adding the freebase to some orange juice. The citric acid turns the freebase into the more absorbable salt dmt citrate. Freebase may pass through your system with minimal absorption. Try this and your experience should last quite a bit longer. Also, give the thh time to do its thing in the gut before drinking the dmt-orange juice. Someone will follow this post with a yep, nope or clarification. But yes, thh alone is quite nice.
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Actually it is the unionized form of a drug which is typically absorbed. Thus it is the freebase in the case of amines. However the form it is in when ingested, for the most part, doesn't matter as it will be turned into the freebase in the small intestine (where most absorption occurs). Even if not all of it (b/c of the pKa) the freebase that is absorbed will shift the equilibrium the the right resulting in more freebase. People think just because something is water soluble it will be absorbed better this is wrong. Cell membranes are lipids. The from that the drug takes post absorption will depend on the unique environment of the tissue or cellular microenvironment it is present in.

THH is a very interesting molecule. Hopefully more work with it will be performed. Oral THH + harmaline + freebased DMT is incredible.

THH def makes DMT last longer I am not sure why as it is a weak MAOI. However MAO is only responsible for a fraction of metabolized DMT there are other reasons why a compound can enhance the duration of another compound aside from inhibition of catabolism Also these alkaloid have additional direct activity on a variety of Neurotransmitter systems aside from their activity at MAOI.
 
Faust said:
jasons741 said:
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Spice with THH is the only way to fly. Otherwise I feel the spice is not used to its full potential. The T stretches the trip out, softens it somewhat. Swim will be walking down syrian road this evening. He already prepped the tea and has 30 grams worth of liquid to divy up over the next 8-12 journeys. First time down that street. Looking forward to the 'dreamy' side of harmala. THH is the only harmala swim has used and that has only been sublingually due to the expense. Very clear headed and 'loving' journey. One feels 'coddled', like a motherly presence rocking you to sleep. Pure bliss!
Tonight no seeds will be swallowed, only lemon juice and water extracted alkaloids. Hope swims' stomach wont trouble him.
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You speak of expense as if the only way to obtain THH was to buy it? Is this correct? THH is psychedelic on its own and is not an MAOI while harmine and harmaline are MAOI's? Which means THH would not make DMT last any longer like an MAOI traditionally would; just makes the DMT more intense?
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No, you can extract THH. You would need to buy the plant material. THH is an MAOI. It is one of the harmala alkaloids found in Caapi, along with harmine and harmaline.
 
THH shows only weak MAOI (RIMA) activity relative to Harmaline and Harmine. THH also has activity as an SSRI. However it almost definitely has additional at current unknown pharmacological effects responsible for its unique alterations and enhancement of the DMT experience.
 
Oh I see, so yes THH can be extracted [from B. Caapi] but relatively speaking, compared to harmine/harmaline THH is considered practically not to be used an MAOI because it is too weak. THH can be said to be a completely different animal that supercharges the spice effect and does not make it too much longer?

Here are some informations on MAOI's like harmaline/harmine;
from here Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
SyZyGyPSy said:
~50mg smoked [harmine/harmaline freebase] is enough to double the length of a DMT blast (hypothetically, of course).

Oral doses of ~100 mg are probably sufficient to achieve facilitation via MAO inhibition, but you might wanna shoot closer to ~200mg to be safe. Purging is less likely with this extract than with straight up rue or rue brews, but it's still possible of course, due to the nature of the medicine itself.

Speaking of which, DO NOT mix harmaloids with psychoactives that increase the amount of serotonin active in the brain, like SSRI's (certain perscription psychoactives for depression or anxiety such as Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, Lexapro, et al.) or for up to 8 weeks after stopping the SSRI (at least in the case of Prozac, which lingers like a mofo... the others should be gone in 4-6 wks but better safe than sorry!) Too much serotonin can lead to serotonin syndrome, which can in turn lead to death from hyperthermia. Also avoid MDMA (ecstasy) which also increases 5ht amts in the synapse. Also avoid nasal decongestants, allergy medications, amphetamines, antihistamines, or anything else which can cause hypertension, or hypOtension ...snip...
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THH seems to lengthen the effects of a lot of tryptamines without making them more potent, which is different from harmine and harmaline which usually increase the potency.

SWIM also found that 200 mg THH orally makes mescaline about 2 times as potent but doesn’t lengthen the effects. It's very interesting. It makes it more euphoric, more psychedelic, and seems to completely block the stimulant effects of mescaline but doesn’t alter the duration at all. The combination is sort of ayahuasca-like, but not exactly.
 
Uncle Knucles said:
That's waaaaay more than you need, SoCal. Try 20-25 mgs next time, let it sit for 20 minutes, swallow and then hit the spice about 20 minutes after that. You should find it much more enjoyable than your 1st try, and no more intimidating than a straight spice journey.
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swim finds the THH/DMT combo MUCH more effective when he waits a good 1.5-2 hours to smoke after taking the THH sublingually (he keeps it in his mouth a good 20 min then swallows)

Minimal nausea, the only time he burped something up he feels was due to overstimulation

(swim smoked two decent sized hits after 20mg sublingual THH then went bodysurfing!- off the north shore, Oahu.... :) -he was in an area somewhat sheltered by reef and got out once he got a good push by the undercurrent)
 
monkeyboy.....what can i say??? once again i am FLOORED by any of you who are able to do ANYTHING in this physical reality when using the spice. i am completely ripped from this world....my body doesn't exist....the "idea" of a body doesn't exist....i am free from this matrix.....

this might be a good thread unto itself....SPICE AND PHYSICAL ACTIVITY....

i'm posting it now. it's too mind-boggling for me to not look into..

LOVE AND GRATITUDE!
 
hi all, im wondering what do you guys do as far as diet before ingesting harmine, Thh, and harmala with dmt? ive never taken any before but am ready to give it a try. everything i like to eat i find is not good, i cant seen to find a list of food that is OK to eat! also how long should one stay on diet before ingesting? is the diet really as important as they say?
 
SWIM doesnt follow any diet before ingesting thh harmine or harmaline...just take on an empty stomach and then eat some bread/cereal/beer/whatever...it helps with any stomach discomfort
 
thanks for the quick reply jorkest. so thats safe? ever heard of anybody havin any problems doin it that way? im just extra cautious i guess. do you need to dose more dmt if you are using fumerate to make up for the added weight of the fumaric acid?
 
You don't need a diet with RIMAs. THH is a RIMA, not a full MAOI. The same is true for harmine and harmaline.
 
thanks for the info guys, for some reason my last post is not here anymore??? anyone ever go back to check on a post and its not there? it shows up on my lists of posts, so i know i did post, but its not here... wierd
 
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