Just where do people go when they enter these DMT realms?
Many people who take DMT talk about the sense of traversing into other dimensions which feel to the person just as real as, or even more real then our current dimension.
This is a fascinating Buddha Law Lecture excerpt I have come upon that talks about other dimensions and the heavens in great detail. Are these the realms that one enters when one enters the DMT dimensions?:
"Next, I’ll address one other subject for you, something students can’t explain clearly in cultivation, namely, the “heavens” (tian). According to contemporary science, spaceships have traveled to outer space and flown to many other planets, but they haven’t seen any human beings or paradises of gods, nor were there the scenes of different heavens within the Three Realms that people have talked about. So modern people use this logic to reject religion, deny legends from the past, and negate the most essential nature of human beings. Actually, the “heavens” that gods refer to isn’t at all the same concept as the heavens human beings see.
I often say that molecules compose everything in this material dimension of human beings, while microcosmic matter is the reason for the composition of molecules, and layers of even more-microcosmic matter are the fundamental reasons for the composition of layers of particles at different levels. Gods are in extremely microcosmic worlds, which are nonetheless extremely vast worlds, broad spaces. The microcosmic worlds and the dimensions formed in the microcosm that I have told you about in each lecture are where gods reside. Think about it: Gods… I mentioned the other day that things in the human dimension, such as air, matter, soil, rocks, iron and steel—everything in this dimension, including your body—are composed of molecules.
Yet molecules are the coarsest, most superficial, and filthiest matter in the universe. These molecules—actually, in the eyes of gods, all molecules—are seen as dirt and considered mud in the universe, and this is the understanding merely at the level of Tathagata. That’s why what was said in the past about Yahweh and Nü Wa using mud to create man was true. It is because even your flesh is made of molecules, and in the eyes of gods, it’s mud, it’s dirt, and something that is most coarse. Then think about it, everyone: No matter how far spaceships may travel, have they flown beyond the realm of molecules? Say an airplane flies in the sky and you travel from Asia to America.
You feel like you have flown rather high and quite far; the fact is, you are merely moving inside mounds of molecules and you are all moving on the ground—this isn’t the heavens in the least. In the eyes of gods, it is only a matter of different long or short distances within substances of the same level. The dimensions composed of microcosmic worlds are the real heavens that gods refer to. The more refined and microcosmic a substance is, the more quintessential and refined the surface it composes.
Energy exists in all matter, including molecules. It is only because the human body and everything around you is composed of molecules—even the machines you use to measure that energy are also composed of molecules—that you can’t detect the energy of molecules. The more microcosmic the matter is, the more energy it has and the stronger its radioactive power is—the more microcosmic, the more powerful. That is why gods’ energy and forms of existence are like that. So let me word it a bit more clearly for you: People on Earth see that the Moon, the Sun, Venus, Mars, as well as the Milky Way, outer space, the remote cosmic bodies, and so on, are all in the heavens. But if you look at Earth from Mars, wouldn’t you say that it too is in the heavens? It’s in the heavens as well. This is an understanding that breaks through ordinary people’s ways of thinking.
But, understood at a deeper level—think about it—what are the heavens? Once you enter a microcosmic dimension, that is the heavens. Let me give the simplest example and tell you a story. In the past, there was a cultivator of the Dao walking on the street while drinking. He suddenly saw someone. This person was just who he had been looking for—someone who could cultivate the Dao. So he wanted to save this person and take him as his disciple. He asked this person, “Do you want to follow me to cultivate the Dao?” This person’s enlightenment quality and inborn quality were very good, and he said, “I do.” “Do you dare to follow me?” the cultivator asked. The person replied, “Yes, I do!” “Do you dare to follow me wherever I go?” he then asked. “Yes,” was the reply.
The cultivator then said, “Okay. Now follow me!” Saying that, he put his palm-sized wine gourd on the ground, opened the lid, and jumped into the gourd. The person saw that his master had jumped in, so he imitated his master and likewise jumped into the gourd. The bystanders all leaned over and looked inside the gourd. “Wow!” they exclaimed. There was a vast world inside the gourd, really vast. Viewed with human thinking, how could it be possible for a person so big to jump into such a small wine gourd? That’s because when you want to enter that dimension, everything of your body has to conform to the state of that dimension before you can enter. When you travel through the gaps between different dimensions, your body inevitably enters those states of being.
This is because the more microcosmic particles of matter are, the more vast and broad the planes are at their levels. At the levels of microcosmic particles, the way the gourd manifests is different from the form that human beings see; all particles are connected. What appears to be large or small to human beings is only a form of manifestation in the space-time formed by the same particles. That is to say, the surface of the gourd is formed by molecules, and that’s the shape you see, but the gourd in the microcosm isn’t like this. It is connected to the universe at that realm. Do you understand what I said? (Applause) I’m just discussing that kind of idea. This is something that man cannot understand and that can’t be understood by human conceptions.
So, having mentioned a person going up to the heavens, I can say that if you suddenly enter a stone, isn’t that going up to the heavens? It won’t do if you enter the surface formed by the stone substance. You enter the realms of the microcosmic particles that form its molecular particles—aren’t you going to the heavens? Aren’t you in the heavens if you shrink into the microcosmic levels of your body? When you enter the microcosmic particles of the surface particles of dimensions at any level—in other words, enter the layer of particles smaller than that one—you are already in the heavens. It’s just that the levels of heavens are different, and the microcosmic degree is different. After you enter the microcosm, although you see that you enter the stone, enter your body, or enter a certain thing, you have actually entered the broad universe connected to that dimension. In other words, this isn’t the human way of thinking.
I often say that what people refer to as east, west, south, or north, up, down, in, or out, doesn’t exist in the universe, and it’s different from human thinking and concepts. After I explain it like this you will understand, “Oh, it’s not at all like it is when you use human thinking to contemplate it.” The present-day science is very shallow. It can’t detect or know the real heavens because it crawls within only the current material dimension, and this has limited it. And the science imposed upon man by aliens is thus confined to this. Aliens are living beings in this dimension as well, and they are similarly incapable of knowing the truth of the universe.
Man does not believe in gods, and this is no simple problem. It is man destroying human morality. When man believes in karmic retribution, believes that doing good deeds is rewarded and doing bad deeds meets with retribution, and that whatever man does is watched by gods, man then won’t dare to do evil things. Man knows that doing good deeds will accumulate virtue (de) and be rewarded with happiness, which is absolutely true. But man no longer believes these things; science nowadays doesn’t believe in them, and it considers them superstition. This is exactly swinging the club of science to strike at people’s righteous thinking.
Isn’t this striking at the most essential nature of human beings? When people’s morality, upright beliefs, and righteous thinking are destroyed to the point of nonexistence, people will recklessly do whatever they want to and will resort to any means to achieve their goals. This is one of the fundamental reasons for the deterioration of human society. People in Western society appear to believe in God, but they don’t really believe in God: What they truly believe in is science. Gods are not like what they have imagined, that is, beings with human emotions. Just now I corrected a key concept for you, namely, how “heavens” are to be understood. What gods and human beings mean when they each speak of “heavens” are two different things.
During the course of cultivation, many people sometimes see that they seem to have entered their own bodies. Their bodies are like a vast sky, they move in the sky and walk among the cosmic bodies, and doors are opened one after another as they dash forward. When they take a closer look or expand their minds one step further to take a look, they realize, “Oh, it’s the energy channels in my body being opened.” Let’s think about it.
When you are cultivating, your bodies are being changed from the utmost microcosm on up. So what is the utmost microcosm? Aren’t your other bodies precisely in the heavens and in those realms? It is only that you the person have fallen into the midst of ordinary people, and along with that, you have fallen to where ordinary people are; even the part that’s the most microcosmic has dropped to the level of ordinary people.
However, if you can return through cultivation, everything will be rectified for you, so you will go through that experience. Many cultivators in history have seen those phenomena [that I just described], but they weren’t able to describe it. Sometimes those in the Buddhist religion say that Buddha is in one’s mind, while people in the Dao school say that the human body is a small universe, and so on, and this has to do with their having seen such things.
When I was talking about science I said that science is not playing a good role. Not only does it pollute mankind’s environment and destroy the tissues of the human body, but also aliens will eventually replace human beings. Its things have penetrated every field in human society, mankind can’t break away from science, and everything is now created by science. Since this is the case, as Dafa disciples, no matter what your professions are, you should just go ahead and do your work, and do your work well—that will be good enough. As for everything that is happening, don’t concern yourself with it. I’m not telling you to oppose this science, nor am I teaching you to break free from it.
That’s not what I mean. I am telling you what science is. Science’s understanding of many things is terribly shallow; even its understanding of matter in this existing dimension is inadequate. Its inability to recognize the existence of divine beings has limited its development. For instance, scientists nowadays are saying that mankind’s industrial pollution is quite severe, and one of the examples is that freon and other substances used in coolants are said to cause damage to the ozone layer.
They say that damage to the ozone layer has occurred at the South Pole, where a hole has appeared. The fact is, science is incapable of realizing the role played by gods, so people say that the hole was caused by damage to the ozone layer. It is true that the pollution brought on by modern industry has polluted mankind’s air to an extremely terrible extent.
Yet the countless lives in the microcosms of the immense universe are, whether they have form or not, all gods, and they exist in microcosms that human beings can’t see. Air is composed of molecular particles, while molecular particles are composed of more-microcosmic particles.
In the air itself there are countless layers—layer after layer, progressing toward the microcosm—and all [that exist there] are gods. When they saw that man’s environment had become like this, they opened up a window, opened a door, to expel the waste gases from Earth. This was done by gods. They opened it on purpose and then closed it. If gods didn’t protect human beings, humans would not survive. Man not only doesn’t believe in gods, but also even dares to disrespect gods.
Let’s use the simplest example. You know that the places where industrial pollution is most severe are the most populated places—big cities. Why didn’t a hole develop in the ozone layer above those places? That’s because gods think that opening a hole in the South Pole area is safe for man. It should be that wherever there are more waste gases there is a hole in the ozone layer, right, so why isn’t it that way? It is nothing like what people have imagined. There is also a large hole above the Qinzhang Plateau in China—the big holes always appear in sparsely inhabited areas.
It’s not just limited to the ozone layer that we can see, for the microcosmic materials contained in matter are quite numerous, and they all must make way so that those things can be evacuated. Of course, this is what gods have done for man.
Mankind’s pollution has caused even more serious problems. You know that almost no fresh water in the world is pure. Whether it be underground water or above-ground water, no matter how people filter or purify water, water’s real purity cannot be reached. Moreover, people reuse water repeatedly and water becomes more and more polluted because human water circulates—fresh water is a circulating substance.
Fresh water doesn’t mix with seawater since they aren’t the same substance. Life exists in any matter and in any object. You see that on the surface it is water, but over on the other side it is imbued with life. When soil, water, air and the like are polluted more and more, the harm to mankind also becomes greater and greater.
The development of today’s human society is a repeat of the development of the last human society; the last cycle was a trial run for this cycle. If development continues along this path, human beings will become deformed. Industrial waste gases and wastewater will cause human beings to become deformed and look hideous, looking half demon, half human. That’s how it will be if it develops further. What’s more, there is also people’s wicked behavior that results from the factors of moral deterioration"
From the Western U.S Fa Conference:
Many people who take DMT talk about the sense of traversing into other dimensions which feel to the person just as real as, or even more real then our current dimension.
This is a fascinating Buddha Law Lecture excerpt I have come upon that talks about other dimensions and the heavens in great detail. Are these the realms that one enters when one enters the DMT dimensions?:
"Next, I’ll address one other subject for you, something students can’t explain clearly in cultivation, namely, the “heavens” (tian). According to contemporary science, spaceships have traveled to outer space and flown to many other planets, but they haven’t seen any human beings or paradises of gods, nor were there the scenes of different heavens within the Three Realms that people have talked about. So modern people use this logic to reject religion, deny legends from the past, and negate the most essential nature of human beings. Actually, the “heavens” that gods refer to isn’t at all the same concept as the heavens human beings see.
I often say that molecules compose everything in this material dimension of human beings, while microcosmic matter is the reason for the composition of molecules, and layers of even more-microcosmic matter are the fundamental reasons for the composition of layers of particles at different levels. Gods are in extremely microcosmic worlds, which are nonetheless extremely vast worlds, broad spaces. The microcosmic worlds and the dimensions formed in the microcosm that I have told you about in each lecture are where gods reside. Think about it: Gods… I mentioned the other day that things in the human dimension, such as air, matter, soil, rocks, iron and steel—everything in this dimension, including your body—are composed of molecules.
Yet molecules are the coarsest, most superficial, and filthiest matter in the universe. These molecules—actually, in the eyes of gods, all molecules—are seen as dirt and considered mud in the universe, and this is the understanding merely at the level of Tathagata. That’s why what was said in the past about Yahweh and Nü Wa using mud to create man was true. It is because even your flesh is made of molecules, and in the eyes of gods, it’s mud, it’s dirt, and something that is most coarse. Then think about it, everyone: No matter how far spaceships may travel, have they flown beyond the realm of molecules? Say an airplane flies in the sky and you travel from Asia to America.
You feel like you have flown rather high and quite far; the fact is, you are merely moving inside mounds of molecules and you are all moving on the ground—this isn’t the heavens in the least. In the eyes of gods, it is only a matter of different long or short distances within substances of the same level. The dimensions composed of microcosmic worlds are the real heavens that gods refer to. The more refined and microcosmic a substance is, the more quintessential and refined the surface it composes.
Energy exists in all matter, including molecules. It is only because the human body and everything around you is composed of molecules—even the machines you use to measure that energy are also composed of molecules—that you can’t detect the energy of molecules. The more microcosmic the matter is, the more energy it has and the stronger its radioactive power is—the more microcosmic, the more powerful. That is why gods’ energy and forms of existence are like that. So let me word it a bit more clearly for you: People on Earth see that the Moon, the Sun, Venus, Mars, as well as the Milky Way, outer space, the remote cosmic bodies, and so on, are all in the heavens. But if you look at Earth from Mars, wouldn’t you say that it too is in the heavens? It’s in the heavens as well. This is an understanding that breaks through ordinary people’s ways of thinking.
But, understood at a deeper level—think about it—what are the heavens? Once you enter a microcosmic dimension, that is the heavens. Let me give the simplest example and tell you a story. In the past, there was a cultivator of the Dao walking on the street while drinking. He suddenly saw someone. This person was just who he had been looking for—someone who could cultivate the Dao. So he wanted to save this person and take him as his disciple. He asked this person, “Do you want to follow me to cultivate the Dao?” This person’s enlightenment quality and inborn quality were very good, and he said, “I do.” “Do you dare to follow me?” the cultivator asked. The person replied, “Yes, I do!” “Do you dare to follow me wherever I go?” he then asked. “Yes,” was the reply.
The cultivator then said, “Okay. Now follow me!” Saying that, he put his palm-sized wine gourd on the ground, opened the lid, and jumped into the gourd. The person saw that his master had jumped in, so he imitated his master and likewise jumped into the gourd. The bystanders all leaned over and looked inside the gourd. “Wow!” they exclaimed. There was a vast world inside the gourd, really vast. Viewed with human thinking, how could it be possible for a person so big to jump into such a small wine gourd? That’s because when you want to enter that dimension, everything of your body has to conform to the state of that dimension before you can enter. When you travel through the gaps between different dimensions, your body inevitably enters those states of being.
This is because the more microcosmic particles of matter are, the more vast and broad the planes are at their levels. At the levels of microcosmic particles, the way the gourd manifests is different from the form that human beings see; all particles are connected. What appears to be large or small to human beings is only a form of manifestation in the space-time formed by the same particles. That is to say, the surface of the gourd is formed by molecules, and that’s the shape you see, but the gourd in the microcosm isn’t like this. It is connected to the universe at that realm. Do you understand what I said? (Applause) I’m just discussing that kind of idea. This is something that man cannot understand and that can’t be understood by human conceptions.
So, having mentioned a person going up to the heavens, I can say that if you suddenly enter a stone, isn’t that going up to the heavens? It won’t do if you enter the surface formed by the stone substance. You enter the realms of the microcosmic particles that form its molecular particles—aren’t you going to the heavens? Aren’t you in the heavens if you shrink into the microcosmic levels of your body? When you enter the microcosmic particles of the surface particles of dimensions at any level—in other words, enter the layer of particles smaller than that one—you are already in the heavens. It’s just that the levels of heavens are different, and the microcosmic degree is different. After you enter the microcosm, although you see that you enter the stone, enter your body, or enter a certain thing, you have actually entered the broad universe connected to that dimension. In other words, this isn’t the human way of thinking.
I often say that what people refer to as east, west, south, or north, up, down, in, or out, doesn’t exist in the universe, and it’s different from human thinking and concepts. After I explain it like this you will understand, “Oh, it’s not at all like it is when you use human thinking to contemplate it.” The present-day science is very shallow. It can’t detect or know the real heavens because it crawls within only the current material dimension, and this has limited it. And the science imposed upon man by aliens is thus confined to this. Aliens are living beings in this dimension as well, and they are similarly incapable of knowing the truth of the universe.
Man does not believe in gods, and this is no simple problem. It is man destroying human morality. When man believes in karmic retribution, believes that doing good deeds is rewarded and doing bad deeds meets with retribution, and that whatever man does is watched by gods, man then won’t dare to do evil things. Man knows that doing good deeds will accumulate virtue (de) and be rewarded with happiness, which is absolutely true. But man no longer believes these things; science nowadays doesn’t believe in them, and it considers them superstition. This is exactly swinging the club of science to strike at people’s righteous thinking.
Isn’t this striking at the most essential nature of human beings? When people’s morality, upright beliefs, and righteous thinking are destroyed to the point of nonexistence, people will recklessly do whatever they want to and will resort to any means to achieve their goals. This is one of the fundamental reasons for the deterioration of human society. People in Western society appear to believe in God, but they don’t really believe in God: What they truly believe in is science. Gods are not like what they have imagined, that is, beings with human emotions. Just now I corrected a key concept for you, namely, how “heavens” are to be understood. What gods and human beings mean when they each speak of “heavens” are two different things.
During the course of cultivation, many people sometimes see that they seem to have entered their own bodies. Their bodies are like a vast sky, they move in the sky and walk among the cosmic bodies, and doors are opened one after another as they dash forward. When they take a closer look or expand their minds one step further to take a look, they realize, “Oh, it’s the energy channels in my body being opened.” Let’s think about it.
When you are cultivating, your bodies are being changed from the utmost microcosm on up. So what is the utmost microcosm? Aren’t your other bodies precisely in the heavens and in those realms? It is only that you the person have fallen into the midst of ordinary people, and along with that, you have fallen to where ordinary people are; even the part that’s the most microcosmic has dropped to the level of ordinary people.
However, if you can return through cultivation, everything will be rectified for you, so you will go through that experience. Many cultivators in history have seen those phenomena [that I just described], but they weren’t able to describe it. Sometimes those in the Buddhist religion say that Buddha is in one’s mind, while people in the Dao school say that the human body is a small universe, and so on, and this has to do with their having seen such things.
When I was talking about science I said that science is not playing a good role. Not only does it pollute mankind’s environment and destroy the tissues of the human body, but also aliens will eventually replace human beings. Its things have penetrated every field in human society, mankind can’t break away from science, and everything is now created by science. Since this is the case, as Dafa disciples, no matter what your professions are, you should just go ahead and do your work, and do your work well—that will be good enough. As for everything that is happening, don’t concern yourself with it. I’m not telling you to oppose this science, nor am I teaching you to break free from it.
That’s not what I mean. I am telling you what science is. Science’s understanding of many things is terribly shallow; even its understanding of matter in this existing dimension is inadequate. Its inability to recognize the existence of divine beings has limited its development. For instance, scientists nowadays are saying that mankind’s industrial pollution is quite severe, and one of the examples is that freon and other substances used in coolants are said to cause damage to the ozone layer.
They say that damage to the ozone layer has occurred at the South Pole, where a hole has appeared. The fact is, science is incapable of realizing the role played by gods, so people say that the hole was caused by damage to the ozone layer. It is true that the pollution brought on by modern industry has polluted mankind’s air to an extremely terrible extent.
Yet the countless lives in the microcosms of the immense universe are, whether they have form or not, all gods, and they exist in microcosms that human beings can’t see. Air is composed of molecular particles, while molecular particles are composed of more-microcosmic particles.
In the air itself there are countless layers—layer after layer, progressing toward the microcosm—and all [that exist there] are gods. When they saw that man’s environment had become like this, they opened up a window, opened a door, to expel the waste gases from Earth. This was done by gods. They opened it on purpose and then closed it. If gods didn’t protect human beings, humans would not survive. Man not only doesn’t believe in gods, but also even dares to disrespect gods.
Let’s use the simplest example. You know that the places where industrial pollution is most severe are the most populated places—big cities. Why didn’t a hole develop in the ozone layer above those places? That’s because gods think that opening a hole in the South Pole area is safe for man. It should be that wherever there are more waste gases there is a hole in the ozone layer, right, so why isn’t it that way? It is nothing like what people have imagined. There is also a large hole above the Qinzhang Plateau in China—the big holes always appear in sparsely inhabited areas.
It’s not just limited to the ozone layer that we can see, for the microcosmic materials contained in matter are quite numerous, and they all must make way so that those things can be evacuated. Of course, this is what gods have done for man.
Mankind’s pollution has caused even more serious problems. You know that almost no fresh water in the world is pure. Whether it be underground water or above-ground water, no matter how people filter or purify water, water’s real purity cannot be reached. Moreover, people reuse water repeatedly and water becomes more and more polluted because human water circulates—fresh water is a circulating substance.
Fresh water doesn’t mix with seawater since they aren’t the same substance. Life exists in any matter and in any object. You see that on the surface it is water, but over on the other side it is imbued with life. When soil, water, air and the like are polluted more and more, the harm to mankind also becomes greater and greater.
The development of today’s human society is a repeat of the development of the last human society; the last cycle was a trial run for this cycle. If development continues along this path, human beings will become deformed. Industrial waste gases and wastewater will cause human beings to become deformed and look hideous, looking half demon, half human. That’s how it will be if it develops further. What’s more, there is also people’s wicked behavior that results from the factors of moral deterioration"
From the Western U.S Fa Conference:
