The excerpts seem at odds with Buddhism as taught by Buddha.
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It is merely what the information represents. Hundreds of reports stipulate that such things as unwanted probes/operations/possession and other things of that nature happen when taking DMT both on the Nexus and elsewhere. That's not all that happens on DMT but it can and does happen.
Some of Strassman's patients also had encounters with evil entities with one reporting reptilian like beings raping him and another patient who said insect alien beings were feasting on his heart, there were other similar things too. You cannot say that these things don't happen with DMT.
There is plenty of consensus in Shamanic Knowledge. The Shaman's have classified these things into a multitude of realms/spirits and even other supernatural forces that they all have consensus on and have named. Pablo Amaringo's book Ayahuasca Visions highlights some of these things that Shaman's hold verifiable consensus on but there are many many other sources.
Even among smokers of DMT here on this forum people encounter similar beings such as Jester's/Elves, Octopi and many other beings even though they have never met or had prior preconceived ideas or thoughts about such entities.
As for your experience on being operated on. I feel that any being that does anything against somebodies will is already highly dubious. Did you ask to be operated on? Did you consent to this procedure? I find that most of the experiences for both myself and my colleagues as well as all the one's I have read center around the fact that there is no 'say' in the matter. They will do to you what they want, they are in control not you and you will submit to these forces whether you like it or not. That doesn't sound that reassuring does it?
Do you have a report about said positive operation on the Nexus? I'd love to read it.
There is a reason I quote a highly accomplished Qi Gong Master to illustrate my point.
Firstly I am not a High Level Qi Gong Master. This is someone that has vastly more wisdom and Knowledge about Supernatural and Spiritual Matters then myself. There are people still alive in the world who have access to States and Supernatural abilities that the common man does not have and that can expound on these matters far better then I.
It's the analogy of being a first year college Student and learning things from a very accomplished Professor with a whole lifetime's worth of experience in his field. Sure I may know a few things but you can bet that Professor to know more then what I do.
The quote clarifies clearly what 'Enlightened' means from the perspective of a high level Cultivation practice. As for supernatural abilities they are expounded in great detail in the core book 'Zhuan Falun' which I had linked to on my previous post but if you missed it it's here:
It expounds on many things from Other Dimensions, Supernatural abilities to the Soul, Transcending the Five Elements, Karma, The cosmos in the macro and microcosm and various other fascinating things.
To answer your question a few supernatural abilities that exist in the world are The 3rd Eye, The ability of knowing Fate, The Ability of remote vision, Greater and Lesser Telekenisis although there are many others. These can't be just sought like ordinary skills. They are altogether a higher thing and only through years of Cultivation do they begin to emerge.
These abilities are all actually a person's innate abilities that have atrophied as society began to seal itself of from the spiritual world and began believing purely in science and our sophisticated tools.
So Steve Beyer, Peter Gormon, Jeremy Narby, Terence Mckenna, Graham Hancock and many many other highly accomplished and intelligent anthropologists and scientists who have first hand experience with genuine Shamans and Shamanic practices are all under false dichotomy?
Everyone of them agrees that the Genuine Shaman's of the Amazon and other places have a great wealth of knowledge, experience and understanding of these places/entities and states of being, much more so then someone in Western society who without understanding the astral/spiritual repercussions or dangers involved smokes DMT and hopes for a 'breakthrough'.
Perhaps the DMT trip turned out quite traumatic and had effected the person after he got back from the trip. Genuine shamanic cultures talk about things such as soul retrieval, using icaros to navigate these realms, knowing which spirits to bargain with and which to avoid and how to use 'helper' spirits to pull out various pathogenic things. Mind you I had elaborated on these supposed 'helper' spirits in some of my earlier posts in this thread.
All these things they had learnt through a lineage type way for millenia. Do most people smoking DMT in western society know how to do any of these things? They don't. Have they ever received True instruction on how to protect themselves in these states? They haven't.
Thats the difference between a genuine Shaman and an Urban Shaman.
It doesn't matter if killing is 'acceptable' by people, religions governments or whoever. It doesn't matter if what one kills is humans or animals.
Killing is killing and it is a grave sin that incurs a great amount of Karma for anyone that does it. That's how every upright and 'True' spiritual practice sees it. Any so called religion/belief or spiritual doctrine or government or following that allow's killing for any reason whatsoever is already doing something evil.
People can make up thousands of excuses/ideas/concepts to justify their selfish actions and pursuits but it doesn't matter what people think. There are forces above and below us observing all of what Humanity does. I thought if DMT taught you anything it should have at least taught you that.
From Zhuan Falun Lecture Seven:
On Killing
Killing is a sensitive subject. We have a strict rule for practitioners: practitioners can’t kill. Whether it’s the Buddhist system, the Daoist system, or the Qimen practices, it doesn’t matter which discipline or which school it is, true cultivation disciplines are absolute about this: no killing. There’s no two ways about it. That’s because killing causes some huge problems afterwards. We’ve got to explain this to you in detail. In the original Buddhism, "killing" mainly referred to killing people, which is the most serious type. Later on, large creatures, large livestock, and other creatures that are pretty big were also considered serious. So why have they taken killing so seriously in the cultivation world? It’s been said in Buddhism that if lives that shouldn’t die are killed, they become lonely souls and roaming ghosts. And it was those beings that the old saying about "releasing souls from purgatory" referred to. If those beings aren’t freed from purgatory, they suffer from hunger and thirst, and it’s awfully tough for them. That’s what Buddhism used to teach.
We say, when a person does something bad to somebody, he’ll give that person a lot of virtue as compensation. That’s what we’re referring to when we talk about people taking things from others in normal situations. But suddenly ending a creature’s life, be it an animal or some other being, that generates quite a lot of karma. "Killing" used to refer mainly to killing people, and that generates a pretty big amount of karma. But killing an average creature isn’t minor, either, and it directly generates a lot of karma. A little bit of tribulation is arranged at different levels, and this is especially so for practitioners in the process of their cultivation, that’s all your own karma, they’re your own tribulations, and they’re placed for you at different levels to help you improve. As long as you improve your character you’ll be able to get through them. But if so much karma was suddenly piled on, how could you get through it? With your character, you really wouldn’t be able to handle it, and that might be the end of your cultivation.
We’ve found that when a person is born, many, many him are born at the same time within a certain range of the space of this universe. They look the same, have the same name, and do things that are more or less the same. So, they can be called part of his whole being. This causes a problem, then: if one of the beings (and this goes for other large animals’ beings, too) dies all of a sudden, and the him in all other dimensions haven’t finished the course of life that was originally arranged, and they still have a lot more years to live, then the person who died will fall into a situation where he has no resting place, and he’ll float around in the space of the universe. People used to believe that he’d be a lonely soul or roaming ghost, that he’d suffer from hunger and thirst, and it would be awfully tough. And maybe that’s true. We can say for sure, though, that we’ve seen he is in a terrible situation, and that he’ll keep waiting until the him in every dimension have finished their courses of life, and only then can they find their final resting place together. The longer the time, the more he suffers. And as he suffers more, the karma that causes his suffering will be continually piled onto the person who killed him. So think about it, how much karma would that put on you? That’s what we’ve seen with abilities.
There’s another thing we’ve seen. When a person is born, his whole life is already laid out there in a specific dimension. Meaning, where he is in his life, what he’s supposed to do, and so on—it’s all there. So who arranged his life? It’s obviously done by higher beings. For example, in our ordinary world, after he’s born, he’s in a certain family, he goes to a certain school, and when he grows up he works at a certain company, and through his work he establishes contact with people from every walk of life. That tells us that the overall design of the whole society is arranged like that. But, because that being suddenly died and isn’t following the original, specific arrangement anymore, and things have changed, that higher being won’t let whoever disrupted it off the hook. Let’s think about it: as cultivators, we need to cultivate up to high levels, but if that higher being doesn’t let him off, would you say he can still cultivate? Even some masters’ levels aren’t as high as the higher beings who arrange these things, so even his master runs into disaster, and he’s cast down. Then think about it, is that an ordinary problem? That’s why it’ll be really hard for someone to cultivate after he does that kind of thing.
Now out of all our students who cultivate Falun Dafa, there might be some people who’ve fought in times of war. Wars are a state of affairs brought about by major changes in the overall celestial phenomena. You were only one small part of those affairs. If nobody made a move under changes in the celestial phenomena, it wouldn’t bring about that state of affairs in the ordinary world, and it wouldn’t be called a change in the celestial phenomena. Those things change based on larger changes, so you can’t be held totally accountable for that thing. What we’re talking about here is the karma that’s brought about when you insist on doing bad things to benefit yourself, or to get ahead, or when something of yours is on the line. So when it comes to changes that affect the entire, large space, and major changes that involve the state of society, those aren’t your fault.
Killing will generate a lot of karma. So some people are thinking, "So I’m not allowed to kill things now, but I do the cooking for my family. If I don’t kill things what’s my family gonna eat?" I’m not going to get into the specifics of that. I’m teaching the Law to practitioners—it’s not like I’m just randomly telling ordinary people how to live their lives. When it comes to specific things, just evaluate them based on the Great Law, and do what you think is best. Ordinary people can do whatever they want, that’s ordinary people’s business. There’s no way everybody can truly cultivate. But practitioners should set their sights on high standards, so these are requirements set for practitioners.
Human beings and animals aren’t the only ones with life in them, plants have it too. All matter appears in the form of life in other dimensions. When your Third Eye reaches the Law Vision level, you’ll discover that stones, walls, or whatever will all talk to you and greet you. Now maybe some of you are wondering, "Then the grains and vegetables we eat all have life in them… And what should we do when flies and mosquitoes get into our homes? In summer they bite us and it doesn’t feel good, so we’ll have to just watch them park there and bite us? We’ll have to just watch flies land on our food, since we can’t swat them? That’s gross." I can tell you that we shouldn’t just kill things on a whim or without a reason, but we can’t be like overcautious goodie-goodies either, and always focus on those petty things, like being so afraid of stepping on ants that we hop all over the place when we walk. I’d say it would be so tiring for you to live that way. Wouldn’t that be another attachment? If you jumped around when you walked, sure, maybe you wouldn’t crush any ants, but there’d still be a lot of microorganisms that you’d step on and kill. At the microcosmic level there are tons of smaller beings, like fungi and bacteria, and maybe you stepped on them and killed a bunch. Then we might as well just call it quits, right? We aren’t trying to be that kind of person. We couldn’t cultivate like that. We should focus on the big picture and cultivate openly and with dignity.
We human beings should have the right to sustain our lives. So our living environment has to meet the needs of human living. We can’t intentionally harm anything, but we can’t be too restricted by those trivial things, either. For example, the vegetables and grains people grow all have life in them, but we can’t stop eating and drinking just because of that. How would you be able to practice then? We should look at the big picture. For example, if you’re walking and some ants and insects run under your feet and get stepped on and killed, then maybe they were supposed to die, since you didn’t harm them intentionally. There’s the issue of ecological balance among organisms and microorganisms, and when there are too many of them they’ll spread unchecked. We talk about cultivating openly and with dignity. When there are flies and mosquitoes in our homes we can drive them out and install screens to keep them from getting in. But if you can’t drive them out sometimes, it’s okay to kill them. If they bite people and harm people in people’s residences, of course we should drive them out. And when they can’t be driven out, we can’t just watch them bite people there. You’re a practitioner so it’s not a problem for you, you’re immune to them. But your family members don’t practice, they’re ordinary people, so there’s a concern about getting a contagious disease. So you can’t just watch them bite your kid’s face and not do anything about it.
I’ll give you an example. There was a story about Shakyamuni during his early years. One day in the forest Shakyamuni wanted to take a bath, so he asked his disciple to clean the bathtub. His disciple went there and saw that the bathtub was covered with bugs, and that if he cleaned it the bugs would be killed. The disciple came back to tell Shakyamuni that the bathtub was covered with bugs. Without looking at him, Shakyamuni said, "Go clean the bathtub." The disciple went to the bathtub and found that he didn’t know where to begin, since the bugs would be killed if he started cleaning it. He circled around it once and headed back, and asked Shakyamuni, "Venerable teacher, the bathtub is covered with bugs. If I clean it I’ll be killing them." Shakyamuni took a glance at him and said, "What I asked you to clean was the bathtub." The disciple suddenly got it and cleaned the bathtub right away. That illustrates a point: we can’t stop taking baths because of insects, and we can’t look for other places to live just because of mosquitoes, just as we can’t tie up our necks and stop eating and drinking because grains and vegetables have life in them. That’s not the idea. We should keep these things in perspective and cultivate openly and with dignity. It’s fine as long as we don’t harm living things on purpose. At the same time, human beings need to have their living spaces and living conditions, and these need to be maintained and protected. Human beings need to sustain their lives and live normally.
Some fake qigong masters used to say that it’s alright to kill on the first and the fifteenth of the lunar month, and some even said that it’s alright to kill two-legged animals, as if two-legged animals aren’t alive. If killing on the first and the fifteenth doesn’t count as killing, what would you call it then, digging dirt? You can tell that some qigong masters are fake just by their words and actions, by what they say and what they want. Usually the qigong masters who say those things and do those things are possessed. Just look at the way those qigong masters who are possessed by fox spirits eat chicken—they wolf it down and don’t even want to spit out the bones.
Killing doesn’t just generate a serious amount of karma, it also has to do with the question of compassion. Shouldn’t we cultivators have compassion? When our compassion comes out we’ll probably see that all sentient beings are suffering, that everyone is suffering. You’ll come to see that.
Shaman's are also doing a job albeit in the spirit realm where as I have mentioned earlier they have mapped out and navigate the same as a captain in the physical realm, the see the same beings and realms and have consensual agreement on these matters. Whether these realms are 'real' or not is still up for debate but many Shamans would tell you they are every bit as real as this realm.
Indeed it is my experience Endlessness and I have shared a little of my history of my DMT experimentation with you. My experience with DMT has been negative so I am sharing my view on these matters. That's what a forum is for isn't it? To share all experiences?
Yes your right. I haven't touched DMT for a long time now and I never will. I also know that for others they will continue explorations with this compound, that's a given. I am merely sharing my view's and my beliefs on all of these matters but at the end of the day people will come to their own conclusions and understandings on all of this. Everyone has free will and everyone has their own path to travel. I just hope there's is a bright one.
Eliyahu I had read one of your reports on the Nexus:
You have summed up the DMT experience perfectly in that report in my opinion.
Once you have really entered their domains deeply, once you have really crossed the threshold there is no going back, you are completely at the mercy of these beings.You will encounter whatever these beings want you to experience and you have no say in the matter.
I do not believe that any of the beings you encounter are angelic beings however. Angelic beings know there is a hierarchy and order to things and you are a human in this dimensional realm for a reason.I beleive that Positive Higher beings don't show themselves to humans that frivolously, at most they will be kind but stern with you that you should not be there at your current stage of development.
To transgress your place in the cosmos with these compounds opens you to the greater universe with it's multitude of beings and dimensions. I am of the opinion that most but of course not all of what one encounters in DMT space is of what the Buddha Masters called the 'Asura Realms'
An Excerpt From Zhuan Falun on 'Practicing in an Evil Way' :
Buddhism talks about Transmigration, and by doing so they’ve revealed something called the asura realm, which actually refers to living things in different dimensions, but those things don’t have human nature.
In the eyes of Great Enlightened Beings they’re extremely low-level and really weak, but to ordinary people they’re terrifying. They have some energy, and they think ordinary people are beasts, so they like to feed on people.
And in recent years they’ve jumped at the chance to teach some practices. What a despicable creature! Look at its face—could you call that human?! It’s really frightening. When you learn their things you have to go join them and become one of them.
Your right Albert, Falun Dafa is not Buddhism the religion although it is from the Buddha Law school of Cultivation.
To get a really concrete idea of where Falun Dafa fits into Buddhism and an overall history of Buddhism aswell as the other different Cultivation schools I highly recommend checking out this lecture excerpt from Zhuan Falun:
Buddhist Qigong and Buddhism
Buddhist qigong is not Buddhism the religion—I want to make sure you understand this. And actually, Daoist qigong isn’t Daoism the religion. Some of us are never clear about these things. Some people who are monks practicing in monasteries and some others who are lay Buddhists think they know more about Buddhist things than other people, so they really cause a stir promoting Buddhism’s things among our students. I want to tell you: don’t do that, because those are a different discipline’s things. Religions have religious forms, while what we’re transmitting here is the cultivation part of our discipline. We don’t worry about religious forms unless you’re a specialized Falun Dafa disciple. So anyway, we’re not part of Buddhism in the Age of the Law’s End.
The Law in Buddhism is only a small part of the Buddha Law. There are a lot of other profound Great Law practices, and every level has a different Law. Shakyamuni said that there are 84,000 cultivation disciplines. And how many disciplines are there in Buddhism? It has just a few, like the Tendai sect, Huayan sect, Zen sect, Pure Land, and the Esoteric sect. They don’t even add up to a fraction of it! So it can’t cover the entire Buddha Law, it’s just a small part of Buddha Law. Our Falun Dafa is also one of the 84,000 disciplines, but it’s never been related to Buddhism, from the original Buddhism right on up to the one in the Age of the Law’s End. And it doesn’t have anything to do with today’s religions.
Buddhism was founded 2,500 years ago by Shakyamuni in ancient India. At that time, after Shakyamuni had Unlocked and Enlightened, he recalled what he had cultivated before, and he spread it to save people. In his discipline, no matter how many tens of thousands of sutras have been written, there are actually just three words, "Precept, Concentration, Wisdom," and these are the features of his discipline. "Precept" was about making a person get rid of all the desires ordinary people have, forcefully making him do away with his desire to get things, cutting himself off from everything in the secular world, and so on. So he would free himself of all attachments, there was even nothing in his mind, and naturally he could enter into concentration.
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They complement each other. After he’d entered into concentration, he would need to sit in meditation and really do cultivation, and cultivate upwards relying on his power of concentration. So this is the true cultivation part of that discipline. They don’t teach anything related to techniques, and they don’t transform their innate bodies—they only cultivate the gong that determines levels. So he would single-mindedly cultivate his character, since a person who doesn’t cultivate longevity doesn’t care much about evolving gong. At the same time, while he was in concentration he would strengthen his power of concentration, endure hardships in meditation, and shed his karma. "Wisdom" refers to Enlightenment, and coming to have great wisdom. He would see the Truth of the universe, see the reality of every dimension in the universe, his great divine powers would be majestically displayed, and his Wisdom and Enlightenment would be unlocked, which is also called being "Unlocked."
There were eight religions spreading in India back when Shakyamuni founded his discipline. One of them was deep-rooted, and called Brahmanism. When Shakyamuni was alive he constantly battled on philosophical points with other religions. What Shakyamuni taught was a true teaching, so in the course of teaching his Law, the Buddha Law he taught flourished more and more, while other religions became weaker and weaker. Even that deep-rooted Brahmanism was on the brink of extinction. But after Shakyamuni’s Nirvana other religions started to thrive again, especially Brahmanism. Then what happened with Buddhism? Some monks became Unlocked, or Enlightened, at different levels, but the levels they reached were pretty low. Shakyamuni reached the Tathagata level but a lot of monks didn’t.
Buddha Law has different manifestations at different levels, but the higher it is, the closer it is to the Truth, and the lower it is, the further it is from the Truth. So after those monks became Unlocked and Enlightened at low levels, they interpreted what Shakyamuni had said with the manifestations of the universe that they saw at their levels, with the situations that they had learned about, and with the truths that they had comprehended. In other words, the monks interpreted the Law that Shakyamuni taught just about every which way, and there were also some monks who spoke about what they comprehended as if that was Shakyamuni’s words, instead of telling people Shakyamuni’s original words. As a result, the Buddha Law was altered beyond recognition, and it was no longer the Law Shakyamuni had preached. Eventually this caused the Buddha Law that’s in Buddhism to disappear in India. This is a major lesson from history, and that’s why later on you don’t see Buddhism in India, of all places. Before it vanished, Buddhism went through a number of reforms, and in the end it incorporated things from Brahmanism and formed a religion that’s found in India today, called Hinduism. It no longer worships any Buddhas, it worships some other things instead, and it no longer believes in Shakyamuni. That’s how it is now.
As Buddhism developed it went through several fairly big reforms. One took place soon after Shakyamuni passed away, at which point some people founded Mahayana, or "Greater Vehicle," Buddhism based on the high-level truths Shakyamuni had taught. They believed that the Law Shakyamuni taught in public was for ordinary people, that it was for people to attain self-salvation and achieve Arhat Fruition, and that it didn’t talk about saving all sentient beings, so they called that Hinayana, or "Lesser Vehicle," Buddhism. And monks in Southeast Asia have kept the original way of cultivation from Shakyamuni’s time, and in our Han region we call it Hinayana. Of course, they don’t see it that way—they believe they’ve inherited Shakyamuni’s original things. And it turns out they’re right, they have inherited the cultivation methods from Shakyamuni’s time, for the most part.
After this reformed Mahayana was introduced to China, it established itself in our country and became the Buddhism that’s now spread in our country. But it’s in fact totally different from the Buddhism of Shakyamuni’s time, from their dress all the way to the whole state of Enlightenment and the cultivation process, it’s all changed. The original Buddhism only worshipped Shakyamuni as its venerable forefather, but in today’s Buddhism there are lots of Buddhas, Great Bodhisattvas, and so on. What’s more, it’s become a faith that worships multiple Buddhas—people believe in many Tathagatas. So it’s become a Buddhism that worships multiple Buddhas, like Buddha Amitabha, Bhaishajyaguru, Buddha Vairochana, and so on, and then there are a lot of Great Bodhisattvas, too. So all of Buddhism is totally different now from what Shakyamuni originally founded back in his day.
During that time period a series of reforms took place. Bodhisattva Nagarjuna imparted a secret cultivation method, which went from India to Afghanistan, and then entered our Xinjiang region and spread to the Han region. It happened to be during the Tang Dynasty, so people called it Tang Tantrism. Confucianism has had a huge influence on China, so our moral values are different from those of other nationalities. The Tantric cultivation method includes male-female dual cultivation, which is something society couldn’t accept at that time. So it was wiped out during the Hui Chang period of the Tang Dynasty when Buddhism was suppressed, and Tang Tantrism disappeared from our Han region. In Japan there’s Eastern Tantrism now, which they learned from China back then, but they didn’t go through anointment, and according to Tantrism, anyone who learns Tantrism’s things without going through anointment is said to be stealing their Law, and they won’t recognize him as somebody who’s been taught by the master himself. Another branch went from India through Nepal to Tibet, it’s called Tibetan Tantrism, and it’s been passed down up until today. That’s pretty much how things have gone with Buddhism. So I’ve given you a really brief and general sense of how it has developed and evolved. At different points during Buddhism’s development some other disciplines have come along, such as the Zen sect, which Bodhidharma founded, the Pure Land sect, the Huayan sect, and so on, and they were all based on an interpretation and understanding of what Shakyamuni taught back in his time. So these are all part of reformed Buddhism, too. Buddhism has a dozen or so disciplines, and all of them have taken on the form of religions, so they’re part of Buddhism.
Now the religions that were created in this century, or not just this century, a lot of new religions around the world were created in the past few centuries, most of them are fake. When Great Enlightened Beings save people they have their own heavenly kingdoms. When Tathagatas like Shakyamuni, Buddha Amitabha, and Buddha Vairochana save people they each have a world that they preside over. There are over 100 of these worlds in this Milky Way system of ours, and our Falun Dafa has a Falun World.
So tell me, where do those fake disciplines take people to when they "save" them? They can’t save people. What they teach isn’t Law. Of course, when some people first founded their own religions they didn’t want to be demons that damage the original religions. They became Unlocked and Enlightened at different levels, and saw some of the truth, but they were far from being Enlightened Beings who can save people. Their levels were very low. They discovered some of the truth, and they realized that some of the things ordinary people believe in are wrong, and they told people how to do good things. They didn’t oppose other religions at first. But over time people came to believe in them and became devoted to them, and people thought that what they said made sense, and later they put more and more faith in them. So people became devoted to them and stopped being devoted to religions. Once their attachments to fame and profit sprung up, they would ask the public to give them a title, and from then on they’d operate under the name of that new religion. I’m telling you, those are all evil religions. Even if they don’t harm people, they’re still evil religions, since they’ve interfered with people’s faith in the original religions. The original religions can save people, but those ones can’t. And as time goes by they do bad things on the sly. A lot of things like that have spread over here to our China recently, like the so-called Guanyin sect, which is one of them. So make sure you watch out. They say that in one country in East Asia there are over 2,000 of them. In Southeast Asia and in some Western countries there are all kinds of things that people believe in. One country even goes so far as to openly have witchcraft. Those things are all demons that have showed up in the Age of the Law’s End. "Age of the Law’s End" doesn’t only refer to Buddhism—a lot of dimensions from a very high level on down have gone bad. And "Law’s End" doesn’t just have to do with the end of Law in Buddhism—it’s about how the world goes when it doesn’t have the restraint of the Law in people’s hearts to sustain morality.
SGTWOW said:
The "angels" I have seen are the very embodiement of grace, beauty compassion and love.
they do indeed recognize a hiearchy and I never said they do not....
Angelic beings are messengers and servants of God and will appear to ANY ONE at ANY time they so choose to do so...
The folowing quote uses MY VERY OWN WORDS.
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ANGELIC BEINGS ARE AVAILABLE TO ASSIST HUMAN BEINGS AT ALL TIMES AND HAVE NO PROBLEM APEARING TO HUMANS INCLUDING MYSELF. ANGELS ARE ABLE TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS PART OF THE ROYAL ALLIANCE THAT GOVERNS THE UNIVERSE> IT IS LIKE A BADGE THEY SHOW YOU WICH IS PRINTED ON YOUR VERY DNA AND PROVES ON A PRIMAL LEVEL THAT THEY ARE NOT DEMONIC BEINGS ATTMEPTING TO DECIEVE.
I BELIEVE THE CREATOR WANTS PEOPLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM DIRECTLY.... SHAMAN, GURU'S AND PRIEST ARE NOT NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. NO MIDDLEMEN ARE NEEDED TO HELP YOU FIND DIVINITY THIS IS WHY THERE ARE ANGELS AND A MESSIAH THAT EXIST. IN ORDER TO PROVIDE DIRECT HELP TO THOSE WHO NEED IT.
BY BUYING INTO THE IDEA THAT YOU MUST HAVE A MIDDLEMAN THERE TO GUIDE YOU YOU ARE SHORT CHANGING YOUR OWN ABILITY TO CONNECT WITH DIVINITY ON YOUR OWN AND YOU ARE ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BECOME DEPENDANT ON INFORMATION THAT ONOTHER PERSON HAS TO FEED YOU....
ANGELS ARE AVALIABLE TO THE PERCEPTION OF ANY LIVING BING THE VERY IDEA THAT ANGELS WOULD ONLY APPEAR TO SOMEONE WHO HAD A SHAMANIC TEACHER REMINDS ME OF HOW RELIGIOS PEOPLE TRY AND TELL YOU THAT YOU NEED CHURCH TO FIND GOD....
IMO YOU ARE DOING NOTHING BUT PARROTING INFORMATION IN THE SAME WAY THAT A EVANGELCAL CHRISTIAN WOULD DO.
The "angels" I have seen are the very embodiement of grace, beauty compassion and love.
they do indeed recognize a hiearchy and I never said they do not....
Angelic beings are messengers and servants of God and will appear to ANY ONE at ANY time they so choose to do so...
The folowing quote uses MY VERY OWN WORDS.
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ANGELIC BEINGS ARE AVAILABLE TO ASSIST HUMAN BEINGS AT ALL TIMES AND HAVE NO PROBLEM APEARING TO HUMANS INCLUDING MYSELF. ANGELS ARE ABLE TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS PART OF THE ROYAL ALLIANCE THAT GOVERNS THE UNIVERSE> IT IS LIKE A BADGE THEY SHOW YOU WICH IS PRINTED ON YOUR VERY DNA AND PROVES ON A PRIMAL LEVEL THAT THEY ARE NOT DEMONIC BEINGS ATTMEPTING TO DECIEVE.
I BELIEVE THE CREATOR WANTS PEOPLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM DIRECTLY.... SHAMAN, GURU'S AND PRIEST ARE NOT NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. NO MIDDLEMEN ARE NEEDED TO HELP YOU FIND DIVINITY THIS IS WHY THERE ARE ANGELS AND A MESSIAH THAT EXIST. IN ORDER TO PROVIDE DIRECT HELP TO THOSE WHO NEED IT.
BY BUYING INTO THE IDEA THAT YOU MUST HAVE A MIDDLEMAN THERE TO GUIDE YOU YOU ARE SHORT CHANGING YOUR OWN ABILITY TO CONNECT WITH DIVINITY ON YOUR OWN AND YOU ARE ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BECOME DEPENDANT ON INFORMATION THAT ONOTHER PERSON HAS TO FEED YOU....
ANGELS ARE AVALIABLE TO THE PERCEPTION OF ANY LIVING BING THE VERY IDEA THAT ANGELS WOULD ONLY APPEAR TO SOMEONE WHO HAD A SHAMANIC TEACHER REMINDS ME OF HOW RELIGIOS PEOPLE TRY AND TELL YOU THAT YOU NEED CHURCH TO FIND GOD....
IMO YOU ARE DOING NOTHING BUT PARROTING INFORMATION IN THE SAME WAY THAT A EVANGELCAL CHRISTIAN WOULD DO.
And I quote myself:
"Such is the nature of this existential paradigm. I have come to understand that we are all God incarnate, seeking Godself (Omniself if you wish). Like a kitten chasing it's own tail? Yes, I believe this analogy is most fitting. Or maybe it's more eloquent to bring to mind Ouroboros? A dragon consuming itself and in so doing, forever growing more of itself to consume. I honestly prefer the kitten allegory.
Yet, I feel our desire to reach beyond our mortal cognition and sentient limits is truly beautiful. If psychedelics help facilitate this internal dawning, that's just wonderful. If they confound our integration, it's best to take another route, another path into the eternal calling... deeply into the web of total Spiritual unity.
There are seemingly no constants in this Omniverse at play, only the Tao doing what it always does. Manifesting and reabsorbing itself into itself... the eternal balance of perfection. And we are that same doing, we are One Being. Isn't that amazing?
I have found, through my own sincere efforts towards spiritual awakening, that we as human organisms, are all walking a very fine line. This line is written between finite material reality and the unattainable state of the absolute... the infinite, unknowable expanse of the Supreme Godhead. If psychedelics help us to awaken, that's cool. It must never be taken lightly nor seen as a game, for it is ego death and the opening of the current of the force.
If they, Sacred Medicines, cause us any psychological terror or auric damage.... it's honestly best to walk away. I think that it's fair to say, that we all understand this well. Some are learning this as I type these words. No one here is recommending psychedelics for every person living upon this plane, not at all. That would be sheer madness, arguably.
Neither is the use of entheogens an endpoint, nor the only avenue to fully bloom as a soul becoming free of the mirage of separation or isolation from the Grid. Dependence on external stimulation is really just another trap. Especially if one "goes to the well too often". As Alan Watts urged, back in the late sixties (and I admittedly paraphrase his wisdom),
"Psychedelics are medicines, not our everyday diet. We need to find these higher states of consciousness in all of our experiences, not just while we are under the influence of a chemical stimulus. We ought to keep it Sacred, and to do them as a sincere ritual, not allow this to become a habit."
IMO, if one chooses to open to new paradigms, this is a way of life and must be integrated and processed through all of our manifestation. Body, mind and heart. We need to discover new ways to live, new paradigms of consciousness to create. It's so much more than imbibing such powerful medicine and never changing one's way of thinking, living and inter-relating to the whole of this vast universe (and it's mirrored twin, the multiverse).
Many paths towards the Divine, only one summit to reach. And upon reaching said summit, one sees that one was always at the summit. No grasping, no need to attain what one is, always was and always will be. Many ways lead into the here & now... this very moment.
Each way is it's own methodology, quite valid and most respectable. Unity in diversity, right? Holding to fear and uncertainly is the folly of neophytes and the uninitiated. By "initiation", I mean those flooded with Divine Light. Simple enough, right? Nope. All of this magikal stuff takes practice, undoing and release from our mental conditioning. The Truth is plain and remarkably easy to grasp if one is objective and open to that ineffable presence, that wholly spiritual interconnectedness we all share.
The folly of humanoids is their desire to retain ego-self and attempt to touch the Divine. Regardless of the debate about the "reality" of angels or devils, we are caught all caught in the middle of a force which is beyond rational definition or logical quantification. Our only valid salvation is the purifying vibration of love. Love is God and we are created to share love.
Love itself, as a state of mind or vibrating field of being, is the very echo and reflection of the Divine vibration. Fear is the opposite, negative shadow of love (our greatest ally). So, we sleep and struggle to awake from our dream of spiritual ignorance. Why choose slumber over awakening, demands the seeker?
Many paths lead a soul towards integration and conscious union within the Grid of the Unified Field of Being. Some involve bodily austerities, some scriptural study, some involve entheogens, some involve complex philosophies, self inquiry and ideological de-construction leading to passing states of ego death.
Whatever the path (and only the individual can decide which way is their own destined way), a shift in awareness must be resultant for it to have any value to those who earnestly quest. Those who fearlessly direct their intent to touch the expanse, the limitlessness of the eternal. I honor us/them/all... and bow deeply to every soul in this magnificent universe, as it evolves endlessly of it's own accord. :thumb_up:
Thus, I have begun to see them, the myriad streams of awareness, as one beatific movement of the Infinite Cause, one loving healing vibration, one mindful intention in positive action. As you think, so you become. Our belief in salvation is a bridge, no doubt about it! It's so sweetly simple and fundamentally pure an ideal. Ask any 3 year old humanoid. You are what you dream yourself to be. Go figure, eh???
I honestly love you all very much, though person-to-person, I know you not. I touch you with my mind and heart. We are joyfully one Indivisible being, one Spirit, one united supraconsciousness. It may sound redundant... but assuredly, we are one. I wholly believe that indivisibility is the highest law and the greatest truth. This is it and we are already here... existence is truly Sacred.
I have found that the wisest souls dance into the effulgence of the One. The foolish tarry in insecurity, paralyzing fear, doubt and uncertainty. Sigh... are we not THAT/THIS which creates all reality? Trust yourself, trust I AM. Are we not inseparable from the whole of God, therefore, composed of THAT/THIS same Omni-consciousnesses? Tat Tvam Asi. We are a singular being, nothing can hurt us nor damage us if we unswervingly believe... and in so doing, we do awaken.
As far as psychedelics go... they are meant for those who intentionally choose to expand rapidly into the Heavenly plane of being. These are the psychonauts, fiery children of self discovery. Is there a price to pay? Assuredly there is, for all ways have some kind of price due upon commencement. This plane and dimension appears to created of the counterpoint of darkness and light, codependent upon each others reflection. And who can really say anything of those planes and dimensions beyond our cognition? They are each and every one of them, a riddle to be intently pondered.
Is it worth the rocketing voyage into the exponential shift, borrowing inwards, towards the insubstantiality of the infinite Void? From my own windowsill, absolutely yes! But that' my choice and my own particular destiny. I only speak for myself. Even then... who am I? Yet, I do so with the utmost reverence, respect and frankly, with a mature sensibility and modicum of infrequency. The flight of the Wounder Healer is not for everyone. Nor should it be, by it's very design. Choose wisely, but choose for yourself, guys.
So, whichever route we travel, we must ultimately see that all divisions of good and evil, of angels and devils, are illusory. Only those who succumb to fear, doubt and fervently cling to Egoself suffer being devoured by demonic forces. There is no evil, save that which we allow ourselves to believe in. No death. Only the lack of understanding or the radiant dawning of understanding.
This paradigm is a mirage, my friends. Only one energy exists behind this sentient veil of subjectivity. All divisions are created within our own thoughts. May we each find a sympathetic avenue to journey home, to lead us to the remembrance of our truest being.
I love you all and wish you deeply meaningful and wholly Sacred voyages. Travel not in fear, journey ever in sincere faith and true belief. "
Om Shanti, Shalom and Hallelujah. 8)
"Such is the nature of this existential paradigm. I have come to understand that we are all God incarnate, seeking Godself (Omniself if you wish). Like a kitten chasing it's own tail? Yes, I believe this analogy is most fitting. Or maybe it's more eloquent to bring to mind Ouroboros? A dragon consuming itself and in so doing, forever growing more of itself to consume. I honestly prefer the kitten allegory.
Yet, I feel our desire to reach beyond our mortal cognition and sentient limits is truly beautiful. If psychedelics help facilitate this internal dawning, that's just wonderful. If they confound our integration, it's best to take another route, another path into the eternal calling... deeply into the web of total Spiritual unity.
There are seemingly no constants in this Omniverse at play, only the Tao doing what it always does. Manifesting and reabsorbing itself into itself... the eternal balance of perfection. And we are that same doing, we are One Being. Isn't that amazing?
I have found, through my own sincere efforts towards spiritual awakening, that we as human organisms, are all walking a very fine line. This line is written between finite material reality and the unattainable state of the absolute... the infinite, unknowable expanse of the Supreme Godhead. If psychedelics help us to awaken, that's cool. It must never be taken lightly nor seen as a game, for it is ego death and the opening of the current of the force.
If they, Sacred Medicines, cause us any psychological terror or auric damage.... it's honestly best to walk away. I think that it's fair to say, that we all understand this well. Some are learning this as I type these words. No one here is recommending psychedelics for every person living upon this plane, not at all. That would be sheer madness, arguably.
Neither is the use of entheogens an endpoint, nor the only avenue to fully bloom as a soul becoming free of the mirage of separation or isolation from the Grid. Dependence on external stimulation is really just another trap. Especially if one "goes to the well too often". As Alan Watts urged, back in the late sixties (and I admittedly paraphrase his wisdom),
"Psychedelics are medicines, not our everyday diet. We need to find these higher states of consciousness in all of our experiences, not just while we are under the influence of a chemical stimulus. We ought to keep it Sacred, and to do them as a sincere ritual, not allow this to become a habit."
IMO, if one chooses to open to new paradigms, this is a way of life and must be integrated and processed through all of our manifestation. Body, mind and heart. We need to discover new ways to live, new paradigms of consciousness to create. It's so much more than imbibing such powerful medicine and never changing one's way of thinking, living and inter-relating to the whole of this vast universe (and it's mirrored twin, the multiverse).
Many paths towards the Divine, only one summit to reach. And upon reaching said summit, one sees that one was always at the summit. No grasping, no need to attain what one is, always was and always will be. Many ways lead into the here & now... this very moment.
Each way is it's own methodology, quite valid and most respectable. Unity in diversity, right? Holding to fear and uncertainly is the folly of neophytes and the uninitiated. By "initiation", I mean those flooded with Divine Light. Simple enough, right? Nope. All of this magikal stuff takes practice, undoing and release from our mental conditioning. The Truth is plain and remarkably easy to grasp if one is objective and open to that ineffable presence, that wholly spiritual interconnectedness we all share.
The folly of humanoids is their desire to retain ego-self and attempt to touch the Divine. Regardless of the debate about the "reality" of angels or devils, we are caught all caught in the middle of a force which is beyond rational definition or logical quantification. Our only valid salvation is the purifying vibration of love. Love is God and we are created to share love.
Love itself, as a state of mind or vibrating field of being, is the very echo and reflection of the Divine vibration. Fear is the opposite, negative shadow of love (our greatest ally). So, we sleep and struggle to awake from our dream of spiritual ignorance. Why choose slumber over awakening, demands the seeker?
Many paths lead a soul towards integration and conscious union within the Grid of the Unified Field of Being. Some involve bodily austerities, some scriptural study, some involve entheogens, some involve complex philosophies, self inquiry and ideological de-construction leading to passing states of ego death.
Whatever the path (and only the individual can decide which way is their own destined way), a shift in awareness must be resultant for it to have any value to those who earnestly quest. Those who fearlessly direct their intent to touch the expanse, the limitlessness of the eternal. I honor us/them/all... and bow deeply to every soul in this magnificent universe, as it evolves endlessly of it's own accord. :thumb_up:
Thus, I have begun to see them, the myriad streams of awareness, as one beatific movement of the Infinite Cause, one loving healing vibration, one mindful intention in positive action. As you think, so you become. Our belief in salvation is a bridge, no doubt about it! It's so sweetly simple and fundamentally pure an ideal. Ask any 3 year old humanoid. You are what you dream yourself to be. Go figure, eh???
I honestly love you all very much, though person-to-person, I know you not. I touch you with my mind and heart. We are joyfully one Indivisible being, one Spirit, one united supraconsciousness. It may sound redundant... but assuredly, we are one. I wholly believe that indivisibility is the highest law and the greatest truth. This is it and we are already here... existence is truly Sacred.
I have found that the wisest souls dance into the effulgence of the One. The foolish tarry in insecurity, paralyzing fear, doubt and uncertainty. Sigh... are we not THAT/THIS which creates all reality? Trust yourself, trust I AM. Are we not inseparable from the whole of God, therefore, composed of THAT/THIS same Omni-consciousnesses? Tat Tvam Asi. We are a singular being, nothing can hurt us nor damage us if we unswervingly believe... and in so doing, we do awaken.
As far as psychedelics go... they are meant for those who intentionally choose to expand rapidly into the Heavenly plane of being. These are the psychonauts, fiery children of self discovery. Is there a price to pay? Assuredly there is, for all ways have some kind of price due upon commencement. This plane and dimension appears to created of the counterpoint of darkness and light, codependent upon each others reflection. And who can really say anything of those planes and dimensions beyond our cognition? They are each and every one of them, a riddle to be intently pondered.
Is it worth the rocketing voyage into the exponential shift, borrowing inwards, towards the insubstantiality of the infinite Void? From my own windowsill, absolutely yes! But that' my choice and my own particular destiny. I only speak for myself. Even then... who am I? Yet, I do so with the utmost reverence, respect and frankly, with a mature sensibility and modicum of infrequency. The flight of the Wounder Healer is not for everyone. Nor should it be, by it's very design. Choose wisely, but choose for yourself, guys.
So, whichever route we travel, we must ultimately see that all divisions of good and evil, of angels and devils, are illusory. Only those who succumb to fear, doubt and fervently cling to Egoself suffer being devoured by demonic forces. There is no evil, save that which we allow ourselves to believe in. No death. Only the lack of understanding or the radiant dawning of understanding.
This paradigm is a mirage, my friends. Only one energy exists behind this sentient veil of subjectivity. All divisions are created within our own thoughts. May we each find a sympathetic avenue to journey home, to lead us to the remembrance of our truest being.
I love you all and wish you deeply meaningful and wholly Sacred voyages. Travel not in fear, journey ever in sincere faith and true belief. "
Om Shanti, Shalom and Hallelujah. 8)
That is not so. There are many people today and throughout history that have pleaded to the God's to end their suffering yet they weren't assisted.
Why don't the God's totally heal the hungry and sick in Africa, the cancer patients, the millions of others around the world going through all sorts of painful ordeals?
There are reasons for that however and it is to do with Karma. If you have a Karmik debt you have to pay it off and none of the God's violate that rule.
An excerpt From Master Li Hongzhi from one of his Fa Lectures given around the world:
“Let me tell you what compassion is. People in the society of ordinary people think that if they live quite comfortably with no disasters or hardships, if each day is pleasant and carefree, and if they’re not short of money and have everything they need, then God is compassionate toward them and is being really good to them. Let me tell you though, that God isn’t like that. If He were really that way, He would be being terrible to people.
That’s because human reasoning is totally reversed. You know that people living in this world are bound to have social interactions, and so they will accrue karma. Jesus said that people have sins. Because they have sins they dropped down to this dimension of ordinary people. They are accruing karma in this dimension and committing sins lifetime after lifetime. By wanting to be comfortable, aren’t you unwilling to pay for your karma?
If you don’t pay for the karma and you accrue more in this life, in your next life you won’t even get a human body—you might reincarnate into something worse. And if you accrue still more karma you can only fall towards hell. If you fall even further you will be destroyed. Then when it’s looked at in light of this principle, tell me, how should God treat you if he is to be considered “good to you”? That’s what causality is.
What do I view as true compassion (cibei), then? If a person is truly good, he will encounter many, many hardships in this life. The goal is to have him pay his karmic debts in the midst of these hardships, to seize this lifetime in which he has a human body and quickly pay for all of it. After all debts are repaid he can go up to a heavenly paradise to enjoy happiness forever. So he will suffer when among ordinary people.
Think about it, then: What is true compassion? Buddhas ’ take on things is completely different from that of human beings. Ordinary people think that Buddhas or Gods are compassionate to people if they let them enjoy ordinary, human fortune. They complain to heaven and earth when they suffer, “Oh, God, why do you forsake me? I’m a lost soul! ” By having you pay for karma , God is taking care of you so that you may return. How wonderful it is to return to a place where there is no birth , annihilation, or falling downwards. That is true compassion”.
and:
“Humans are generating karma lifetime after lifetime. A person’s own karma brings him hardship, suffering, tribulations, lack of money, and many illnesses in this life and the next. Only after paying off your karma can you get happiness and become well off. It’s unacceptable if wrongdoing isn’t paid for—this is a principle that exists in the cosmos. You might feel that the things that happened in the previous life and the things that happen in the next life have to do with two different people. Actually, when others look at you, they look at the course of your entire existence. It’s like your waking from sleep and saying that what you did yesterday has nothing to do with what you do today, and that what you did yesterday wasn’t done by you. But they’re all done by you, and that’s how they view a person’s life.”
As for DNA itself I have the feeling it is not as you imagine it to be. I don't beleive it is the core of what makes us human as scientists currently beleive but something far different. You may find this post of interest in regards to that:
I agree with you that the creator does want you to get in touch with him. However things such as DMT thrust you into these dimensional realms unprepared spiritually and quite possibly with dangerous consequences and repercussions to your spiritual self.
If it's so easy to reach these Gods then why don't you see 'Dao' or Buddha Masters just downing Gallon after gallon of Ayahuasca or smoking DMT. It's not as simple as you think.
Why are we here in these earthly bodies going through all sorts of ordeals, whether mental or physical. Why aren't we in those liberated, wonderful multidimensional spaces now?
You need to temper your will and shed your Karma, thats real spiritual progress and that is the True way to go back up to those wonderful dimensions.
Any supposed shortcuts such as drinking a potion or smoking a drug will eventually have dire consequences for your soul. I am not saying this to try to scare you for I was once in your shoes and also went down this path with these chemicals.
I had to learn the hard way that there are no free lunches in the cosmos and that there are grave dangers if one persists on this path. I'm saying this from the heart. Of course it's your destiny and you choose what you want in life, all I can do is give you a friendly warning that things are not as they seem with the spaces DMT takes you to.
You have had quite a number of unpleasant trips yourself on Ayahuasca as I have read on this forum and most people will agree with me that for the most part you are not really in control of who or what you encounter or what there intentions are, buy the ticket, take the ride as they say but is it really safe?
Shaman's say there are dangers. Have you taken a look at Pablo Amaringo's book Ayahuasca Visions? This Shaman categorizes quite a few Ayahuasca journey's and I'd say atleast 50% of the stuff he describes is evil entities and malevolent forces. It is explained that many of the Shaman's in that book are actually doing evil sorcery to do things such as kill and cause harm.
I also agree that you don't need religions or priests etc as they are all just formalities and that is not what the God's care about in the least.
Cultivation which is what Falun Dafa is is working hard on your own mind, looking inwards and shedding your Karma through meditation and through worldly tribulations. That is how one elevates in a true Cultivation practice which should not be mistaken for a religion. No one can do it for you, it is all up to your own efforts.
The Ability of Knowing Fate
There’s another ability that’s directly related to the Third Eye, and it’s called Knowing Fate. Nowadays six types of abilities have been recognized around the world, and they include the Third Eye, Remote Vision, and Knowing Fate. What’s Knowing Fate? It’s when a person knows someone’s future and past, and in terms of big things he’s able to know the rise and decline of societies, or in terms of even bigger things he’s able to see the patterns of the greater cosmic body’s changes. That’s the ability of Knowing Fate. Matter’s motion follows a pattern, so every object that’s in a special dimension has its own state of being in a slew of other dimensions. I’ll give you an example. When a person’s body moves, all the cells in his body move along with it, and all the molecules, protons, electrons, and the smallest elements—all the elements in the microcosm—they move along with it. But they have their independent forms of being, too. And the forms of the body that exist in other dimensions also change.
Don’t people talk about the conservation of matter? In a specific dimension, when people do something, like when somebody moves his hands and does something, it exists materially, and whatever people do, it leaves an image and message. Those things don’t vanish in other dimensions, and they exist there forever. So when people with abilities see things from the past they’ll know what took place. Later on when you have the ability of Knowing Fate, take a look at the form of our class here today, and you’ll see that it’s still there. It’s already there now. And when a person is born, his whole life already exists simultaneously in a special dimension where there’s no concept of time, and for some people there’s more than one life there.
Maybe some people are thinking, "So there’s no need for us to put in a lot of effort or improve ourselves?" They can’t accept the idea. Well actually, a person’s own effort can change small things in his life. Some small things can be changed through your own efforts. But exactly because you go and try so hard to change things you might get karma. If that wasn’t the case there wouldn’t be an issue of making karma, and whether you do good things or bad things wouldn’t matter. When someone just insists on doing things his way, he’ll gain at other people’s expense, and he’ll have done something wrong. So we’ve said again and again that in cultivation you should let things happen naturally, and that’s why. You could harm other people when you try hard. Maybe your life originally didn’t have something in it, but then out in the world you get that thing, which originally belonged to somebody else, and now you owe him.
Now when it comes to major things, ordinary people really just can’t change them. Well, there is a way to change them. It’s when a person does only bad things and stops at no evil. He can change his life that way, but what lies ahead of him is total ruin. Looking at it from a high level, we can see that when a person dies, his master soul doesn’t perish. How come the master soul doesn’t perish? Actually, we can see that when a person dies, the body that’s put in the morgue is nothing more than just human cells in this dimension of ours. His organs, the tissues inside his body, and his entire human body, meaning, the cells in this dimension, they’re what has sloughed off. But his bodies in other dimensions that are made up of material, microscopic particles that are smaller than molecules, atoms, protons, and so on, those bodies haven’t died at all. They exist in other dimensions, they still exist in microcosmic dimensions. But what a person who stops at no evil has in store for him is total disintegration of all his cells. In Buddhism it’s called "annihilation of both body and soul."
There’s another way that a person can change his life, and it’s the only way. It’s when he takes up the path of cultivation and sticks with it. And why can his life be changed by taking up cultivation? Who could just go and change something like that, right? Once a person wants to take up cultivation, once that idea comes out it shines like gold, and it shakes the Ten-Directional World. (The Buddhist concept of the universe is the Ten-Directional World theory.) That’s because, the way higher beings see it, a person’s life isn’t for him to be human. They see people’s lives as something that comes into being in the space of the universe, and that has the same nature as the universe, that’s good and kind, and made of the matter True, Good, Endure. But at the same time, these lives have community-like social relationships, and during social interactions among the group, some become bad and so they drop down. And at that level they again can’t stay there, and they become even worse, so they drop another level, and they drop, and drop, and drop, and finally they drop to this level of ordinary people.
When they get to this level people are supposed to be destroyed, eliminated. But out of their great compassion, the Great Enlightened Beings purposely created this dimension of our human world. In this dimension they give them an additional, human mortal body, and an additional pair of eyes that are limited to seeing the things in this material dimension of ours, meaning, they drop into this realm of delusion. They can’t see the true picture of the universe with those eyes, while in other dimensions its true picture can be seen. In this delusion, in this state, they’re left with this chance. And since they’re in this delusion it’s the most trying. They give them this body to suffer with. When a person wants to return back up from this dimension, to do what Daoist practices call "returning to the original, true self," he will need to put his heart into cultivation, which means his Buddha-nature has come out. And that wish is considered the most precious one. So people will help him. Even in such a tough environment, he hasn’t gotten lost and still wants to return, so people will help him, they’ll help him unconditionally, and they’ll help him with anything. And why can we do that for cultivators but not for ordinary people? That’s why.
But if you’re an ordinary person who wants to get his health problems fixed, there’s nothing we can do for you. Ordinary people are just ordinary people, and ordinary people are just supposed to follow the way of things in the ordinary world. A lot of people say, "Buddhas save all sentient beings, don’t they? Buddhists talk about saving all sentient beings, right?" I’ll tell you what, go dig through all the Buddhist scriptures if you want—there’s nothing in there that says healing ordinary people counts as saving all sentient beings. Those fake qigong masters have turned this into a big mess in recent years. But the true qigong masters, the qigong masters who paved the way, they never told you to heal people. They only taught you how to exercise to heal yourself and keep fit. You’re an ordinary person—you think you can heal people after learning it for a couple days? Aren’t they cheating people? Doesn’t that feed your attachments? That’s seeking a name for yourself and profit, it’s seeking supernormal things and wanting to show them off around ordinary people! That’s definitely not allowed. That’s why some people get less and less the more they seek things. You aren’t allowed to do that, and you aren’t allowed to just go and upset the way of things in the ordinary world.
There’s something that has always been true in this universe: when you want to return to your original, true self, there are beings that will help you. They think that a person’s being is supposed to return instead of staying in the environment of ordinary people. If the human race was made free of all sickness and lived in total comfort, even if you were given a chance to be a Celestial Being you wouldn’t take anyone up on it. You’d have no health problems, you’d have no hardships, and you’d have whatever you wanted—wouldn’t that be great? That’d really be like a Celestial Being’s world. But it’s because you became bad that you dropped this far, so you won’t feel well. It’s easy for people to do bad things when they’re in delusion. In Buddhism this is called karmic retribution. So, usually when people have tribulations or bad things happen, for example, they’re paying for their karma by karmic retribution. In Buddhism they say that Buddhas are everywhere. With the wave of a Buddha’s hand all of the human race’s sicknesses could be gone, and they can definitely do that. So with that many Buddhas around, why don’t they? People have to suffer like that because they owe debts from doing bad things in the past, and if you heal them it’s the same as violating the laws of the universe, it’s the same as letting him do bad things and letting him not pay back what he owes, and that’s not allowed. That’s why everybody upholds the way of things in the ordinary world and nobody upsets it. Nothing but cultivation can make you feel great, be free of sickness, and bring you true liberation! Having people cultivate true teachings is real "saving all sentient beings."
So why can all those qigong masters heal people? And why do they teach people healing? Maybe some of you have wondered about this. Most of those qigong masters aren’t doing the right thing. During their cultivation true qigong masters see that all sentient beings are suffering, and out of compassion, out of pity, they help people. That’s allowed. But they can’t fix that person’s health problem. They can only temporarily suppress it, or they can postpone and shift it so that if you don’t get it now you’ll get it later, so they postpone the sickness to a later time, or they transform it for you, and transform it over to your family members. But when it comes to really eliminating the karma for you, they can’t do it, and they’re not allowed to just go and do that for ordinary people. It can only be done for cultivators. That’s the reason.
The meaning of the Buddhist saying, "saving all sentient beings," is that you are brought out of the ordinary human state, which is the most miserable, and taken to high levels so that you’ll never suffer again and be liberated. That’s what they mean. Didn’t Shakyamuni talk about Nirvana, the "other shore"? That’s what he really meant by "saving all sentient beings." If you were to enjoy an ordinary life of luxury, and to have plenty of money, with even the beds in your home padded with money, and if you didn’t suffer one bit, then you wouldn’t want to become a Celestial Being even if you were given the chance. The course of your life can be changed because you’re a cultivator. And it’s only through cultivation that it can be changed.
The form that the ability of Knowing Fate takes is that at the forehead there’s something like a small TV screen. For some people it’s at the area of the forehead, for some it’s close to the forehead, and for others it’s inside the forehead. Some people can see it with their eyes closed, and if their ability is strong, some people can see it with their eyes open. Other people can’t see it, though, because it’s something within the scope of a person’s dimensional field. In other words, if the person is going to see them in his Third Eye, when that ability comes out there has to be another ability that serves as a carrier and reflects over the images that are seen in other dimensions. He can see a person’s future, and he can see a person’s past. And he can see them with great accuracy. He can see them really clearly, and he can even see the year, and even the details of how events play out, because what he sees are the true reflections of people and objects in other dimensions. By contrast, people who do fortune-telling can’t make out the small things, the detailed parts, no matter how well they do it.
As long as somebody cultivates Falun Dafa I’ll open his Third Eye. But I won’t unlock some of the other abilities we talked about. As your level keeps rising the ability of Knowing Fate will come out naturally. You’ll experience it later on in your cultivation, and when that ability comes out you’ll know what’s going on. That’s why we’re telling you all about these Laws and principles.
sgtWow said:
I personally believe that is simply because the original connection between religion and psychedelics has been erased, censored, lost and hidden. I for one would not trust fully any "master" who has never consumed psychedelics in one form or another. I have seen Buddhist masters speak and I take into consideration their wisdom but I know that even if they are capable of producing DMT on their own through meditation....they still have not set eyes upon the divine treasures I have seen because of DMT and ayahusca.
No amount of sober meditation could ever equal a high dosage ayahuasca experience.
Ofcourse I would agree that ones intentions have to be pure, but that is all one needs.
The creator takes care of every single detail for his children with no exceptions.
The universe itself was founded upon mercy. This fact is made apparant by the first letter of the Torah wich is Bet and symbolizes mercy.
The unconditional love of the creator is forever unyielding. If a child of the creator wishes with pure intention to unite with the will of God then there is not an army in hell or upon earth that can stop that person. Every tool that person needs will become fully avaliable, IMO.
Pablo's experience is not going to be everyones experience. As far as I am aware he was involved with traditional Shamen. It could very well be that the "darkness" and elemental beings that were manifesting in his trip were brought by the people who taught him.
I personally believe seeking out a shaman in the jungle is far more dangerous than taking Ayahuasca in your own home. You can never tell what the real intentions of the "shamen" are until it's too late.
I personally believe that is simply because the original connection between religion and psychedelics has been erased, censored, lost and hidden. I for one would not trust fully any "master" who has never consumed psychedelics in one form or another. I have seen Buddhist masters speak and I take into consideration their wisdom but I know that even if they are capable of producing DMT on their own through meditation....they still have not set eyes upon the divine treasures I have seen because of DMT and ayahusca.
No amount of sober meditation could ever equal a high dosage ayahuasca experience.
Ofcourse I would agree that ones intentions have to be pure, but that is all one needs.
The creator takes care of every single detail for his children with no exceptions.
The universe itself was founded upon mercy. This fact is made apparant by the first letter of the Torah wich is Bet and symbolizes mercy.
The unconditional love of the creator is forever unyielding. If a child of the creator wishes with pure intention to unite with the will of God then there is not an army in hell or upon earth that can stop that person. Every tool that person needs will become fully avaliable, IMO.
Pablo's experience is not going to be everyones experience. As far as I am aware he was involved with traditional Shamen. It could very well be that the "darkness" and elemental beings that were manifesting in his trip were brought by the people who taught him.
I personally believe seeking out a shaman in the jungle is far more dangerous than taking Ayahuasca in your own home. You can never tell what the real intentions of the "shamen" are until it's too late.
Eliyahu wrote:
Actually people who cultivated and attained Buddhahood have seen profound things. Here are a few excerpts on beings and other dimensions from some of Master Li Hongzhi's lectures:
“When human beings look at the world, they do so from amidst one level of particles. For example, this world that human beings see is between two types of particles—molecules and planets—and they look at this world from amidst the particles that are made up of molecules. Gods are different. A god looks at, within the scope of his abilities, the outcomes of what will happen with all the particles in the cosmos as they relate to one thing. They look at things multi-dimensionally and from all perspectives, and that’s why multiple goals are achieved by the things they arrange.”
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“At a certain point in this vast cosmic body, there are no longer any living beings with form. Only formless living beings exist there. They permeate the whole cosmic body, so I just call them matter. Yet they are gods. They can form into any shape, but they don’t like to assume a shape. They just exist in that manner.”
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“I’ve told you that in different dimensions it’s not that all beings are like the Buddhas and Gods everywhere in the heavens—beings differ quite substantially. There are also places like that of human beings, but few. Yet there are particularly more places like those of alien beings. They need to fly and need to use flying devices.
Beings are extremely complex. There are worlds of all kinds and there’s great diversity in the cosmos. Now we only have white, yellow, and black races of humans on earth; over there, there are also green and blue ones, and even multi-colored ones. There are diverse ones of every sort, unlike anything you’ve imagined.”
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“Why are humans what they are? Why are they said to be so deficient? For one thing, they have little wisdom. Additionally, they have to accomplish things by using their hands and feet, through physical labor and hard work. A god, by contrast, doesn’t need to move his hands or feet to once in a while get things done. That god can do it with his mind—whatever he thinks of will come true. It’s because a god’s gong (spiritual energy) exists in particles ranging from the extremely microscopic to the very macroscopic, and every one of those particles carries that god’s image. His gong contains particles of all sizes.
Whenever that god wants to form an object, he will create it simultaneously from the most microscopic level to all other levels, as well as to the surface level. As that god thinks, his gong brings the object, which was nonexistent, into being, and in a very fast time-field. This is why a Buddha has such great abilities and a God is so powerful. Human beings, on the other hand, are the most deficient. They have to labor with their own physical bodies to accomplish anything. To construct a building, so many people need to go up and down, just like hundreds of molecules that are busy working here and there, back and forth.
This is the clumsiest method. What’s more, when a Buddha wants to do something—unlike human beings who do things in this human time—it’s done in the dimension of the fastest time. So it can be accomplished instantly in this dimension; in the human field of time, it seems to be accomplished by just a thought. The higher one’s cultivation level, the more powerful one is and the more time-fields one can command.”
Actually people who cultivated and attained Buddhahood have seen profound things. Here are a few excerpts on beings and other dimensions from some of Master Li Hongzhi's lectures:
“When human beings look at the world, they do so from amidst one level of particles. For example, this world that human beings see is between two types of particles—molecules and planets—and they look at this world from amidst the particles that are made up of molecules. Gods are different. A god looks at, within the scope of his abilities, the outcomes of what will happen with all the particles in the cosmos as they relate to one thing. They look at things multi-dimensionally and from all perspectives, and that’s why multiple goals are achieved by the things they arrange.”
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“At a certain point in this vast cosmic body, there are no longer any living beings with form. Only formless living beings exist there. They permeate the whole cosmic body, so I just call them matter. Yet they are gods. They can form into any shape, but they don’t like to assume a shape. They just exist in that manner.”
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“I’ve told you that in different dimensions it’s not that all beings are like the Buddhas and Gods everywhere in the heavens—beings differ quite substantially. There are also places like that of human beings, but few. Yet there are particularly more places like those of alien beings. They need to fly and need to use flying devices.
Beings are extremely complex. There are worlds of all kinds and there’s great diversity in the cosmos. Now we only have white, yellow, and black races of humans on earth; over there, there are also green and blue ones, and even multi-colored ones. There are diverse ones of every sort, unlike anything you’ve imagined.”
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“Why are humans what they are? Why are they said to be so deficient? For one thing, they have little wisdom. Additionally, they have to accomplish things by using their hands and feet, through physical labor and hard work. A god, by contrast, doesn’t need to move his hands or feet to once in a while get things done. That god can do it with his mind—whatever he thinks of will come true. It’s because a god’s gong (spiritual energy) exists in particles ranging from the extremely microscopic to the very macroscopic, and every one of those particles carries that god’s image. His gong contains particles of all sizes.
Whenever that god wants to form an object, he will create it simultaneously from the most microscopic level to all other levels, as well as to the surface level. As that god thinks, his gong brings the object, which was nonexistent, into being, and in a very fast time-field. This is why a Buddha has such great abilities and a God is so powerful. Human beings, on the other hand, are the most deficient. They have to labor with their own physical bodies to accomplish anything. To construct a building, so many people need to go up and down, just like hundreds of molecules that are busy working here and there, back and forth.
This is the clumsiest method. What’s more, when a Buddha wants to do something—unlike human beings who do things in this human time—it’s done in the dimension of the fastest time. So it can be accomplished instantly in this dimension; in the human field of time, it seems to be accomplished by just a thought. The higher one’s cultivation level, the more powerful one is and the more time-fields one can command.”
One could come to such deep realizations without being deeply immersed in "other dimensions/the heavens". We can never know what exactly these people are experiencing while meditating and thus we cannot compare it to experiences induced by psychedelic drugs. The idea of psychedelic drug-like experience without psychedelic drugs is absurd anyway, because how would you know that the experience were psychedelic drug-like if you had never done psychedelic drugs? And if you had done psychedelic drugs, how can you know that psychedelic experiences attained while meditating are not the equivalent of flashbacks to those psychedelic drug-induced states, or are not otherwise inspired/facilitated by those original drug-induced experiences?
hixidom wrote:
Well the interesting thing is that many DMT psychonauts are experiencing entity contact with a variety of beings and it seems that the great enlightened masters are also experiencing similar things.
I agree that we cannot be 100% sure whether the entities that DMT users experience are the same ones that the Enlightened Masters encounter but it does give us a interesting correlation and there are many similarities.
For example many DMT users often mention something which they call a 'chrysanthemum'. An undulating, constantly fluctuating kaleidescopic pattern that looks highly organized and intricate. This usually occurs for people before they breakthrough into other dimensions.
Well check out this short excerpt from Zhuan Falun, it's sounds rather similar to this crysanthemum:
At this stage, another cultivation state comes about, and it’s called "Three Flowers Atop the Head." It’s a really noticeable state, and it’s just striking. Even folks whose Third Eyes aren’t that high can see it. There are three flowers on top of the head. One of them is a lotus flower, but it’s not the lotus flower of our material dimension.
The other two are also from other dimensions, and they’re really beautiful and wonderful. The three flowers circle atop the head, going clockwise, then counterclockwise, and the three flowers rotate on their own, too. Each flower has a big pillar, and the diameter of them is as wide as the flower.
The three big pillars go all the way up to the heavens. But they’re not gong pillars, they just take on this form, and they’re really amazing. If you see them you’re sure to be stunned. When you cultivate to this stage your body is pure and white, and your skin is smooth and delicate. When you get to this stage you’ve reached the highest form of Triple-World-Law cultivation. But it’s still not the peak—you still have to cultivate on further, you still have to go forward.
Hixidom wrote:
I guess one cannot fully tell whether what one experiences under the effects of DMT and what the enlightened masters are encountering are the same thing but there do seem to be quite a lot of similarities between them.
Here's another interesting correlation I have found. Psychonaut and visionary artist Luke Brown had painted this rather striking portrait of what looks to be some sort of being with countless eyes across the top half of her face.
This short excerpt from Zhuan Falun sounds strikingly similar to what this artist has conveyed ( quite possibly under the effects of DMT or another psychedelic):
When a person gets to an extremely high level, after he’s gone beyond Triple-World-Law cultivation, an eye that’s like a compound eye appears. To be more specific, a large eye develops over the whole top half of his face, and there are countless small eyes in it. Some Great Enlightened Beings at really high levels have cultivated an incredible number of eyes, and they’re all over their faces.
All of their eyes see out of that one large eye, they can see whatever they want to, and when they look they see all levels at once. Nowadays zoologists and entomologists study flies. They’ve seen that a fly’s eyes are big, and that under a microscope they have countless small eyes in them.
They call that a compound eye. When you get to a really high level that cultivation state might appear, but you have to be way higher than a Tathagata to have that happen. An ordinary person won’t be able to see it, though, and somebody who’s at an average level won’t be able to see that it’s there. To them the person looks the same as a normal person since it’s in another dimension. This is about breakthroughs in levels, or to put it another way, it’s about being able to break through different dimensions.
The only way to really tell how close all of these DMT phenomena are to these Buddha States is to cross reference these experiences with the experiences of the Enlightened Masters and see how much of it Truly seems the same.
I guess the more information we can find and share on this matter the greater light we can shed on all of this fascinating stuff.
Well the interesting thing is that many DMT psychonauts are experiencing entity contact with a variety of beings and it seems that the great enlightened masters are also experiencing similar things.
I agree that we cannot be 100% sure whether the entities that DMT users experience are the same ones that the Enlightened Masters encounter but it does give us a interesting correlation and there are many similarities.
For example many DMT users often mention something which they call a 'chrysanthemum'. An undulating, constantly fluctuating kaleidescopic pattern that looks highly organized and intricate. This usually occurs for people before they breakthrough into other dimensions.
Well check out this short excerpt from Zhuan Falun, it's sounds rather similar to this crysanthemum:
At this stage, another cultivation state comes about, and it’s called "Three Flowers Atop the Head." It’s a really noticeable state, and it’s just striking. Even folks whose Third Eyes aren’t that high can see it. There are three flowers on top of the head. One of them is a lotus flower, but it’s not the lotus flower of our material dimension.
The other two are also from other dimensions, and they’re really beautiful and wonderful. The three flowers circle atop the head, going clockwise, then counterclockwise, and the three flowers rotate on their own, too. Each flower has a big pillar, and the diameter of them is as wide as the flower.
The three big pillars go all the way up to the heavens. But they’re not gong pillars, they just take on this form, and they’re really amazing. If you see them you’re sure to be stunned. When you cultivate to this stage your body is pure and white, and your skin is smooth and delicate. When you get to this stage you’ve reached the highest form of Triple-World-Law cultivation. But it’s still not the peak—you still have to cultivate on further, you still have to go forward.
Hixidom wrote:
I guess one cannot fully tell whether what one experiences under the effects of DMT and what the enlightened masters are encountering are the same thing but there do seem to be quite a lot of similarities between them.
Here's another interesting correlation I have found. Psychonaut and visionary artist Luke Brown had painted this rather striking portrait of what looks to be some sort of being with countless eyes across the top half of her face.
This short excerpt from Zhuan Falun sounds strikingly similar to what this artist has conveyed ( quite possibly under the effects of DMT or another psychedelic):
When a person gets to an extremely high level, after he’s gone beyond Triple-World-Law cultivation, an eye that’s like a compound eye appears. To be more specific, a large eye develops over the whole top half of his face, and there are countless small eyes in it. Some Great Enlightened Beings at really high levels have cultivated an incredible number of eyes, and they’re all over their faces.
All of their eyes see out of that one large eye, they can see whatever they want to, and when they look they see all levels at once. Nowadays zoologists and entomologists study flies. They’ve seen that a fly’s eyes are big, and that under a microscope they have countless small eyes in them.
They call that a compound eye. When you get to a really high level that cultivation state might appear, but you have to be way higher than a Tathagata to have that happen. An ordinary person won’t be able to see it, though, and somebody who’s at an average level won’t be able to see that it’s there. To them the person looks the same as a normal person since it’s in another dimension. This is about breakthroughs in levels, or to put it another way, it’s about being able to break through different dimensions.
The only way to really tell how close all of these DMT phenomena are to these Buddha States is to cross reference these experiences with the experiences of the Enlightened Masters and see how much of it Truly seems the same.
I guess the more information we can find and share on this matter the greater light we can shed on all of this fascinating stuff.
I should clarify that I don't think it's impossible that the "Buddha states" and the DMT state are different, I just don't see why they should be. DMT causes a very specific change in the brain. The mechanism behind the "Buddha states" is very mysterious. Why should they be the same? What are the chances that they are they same?
I think it's possible to have a psychedelic experience via years of practicing meditation, but it's not possible to work on that AND a family AND a career at the same time. What I love about psychedelic drugs is that they cause such deep experiences in a matter of minutes or hours. They are a fast track toward potentially enlightening experiences. I do think that years of meditation is required to attain such states, but I also think that time is relative, and that time is dilated by psychedelic drugs, thus allowing one to undergo what feels like several years of mental development in a matter of minutes or hours.
Why take several years to do what takes a day using psychedelics?
I think it's possible to have a psychedelic experience via years of practicing meditation, but it's not possible to work on that AND a family AND a career at the same time. What I love about psychedelic drugs is that they cause such deep experiences in a matter of minutes or hours. They are a fast track toward potentially enlightening experiences. I do think that years of meditation is required to attain such states, but I also think that time is relative, and that time is dilated by psychedelic drugs, thus allowing one to undergo what feels like several years of mental development in a matter of minutes or hours.
Why take several years to do what takes a day using psychedelics?
hixidom wrote:
Perhaps they are not the same, you are right however some of the similarities like a sense of entering other dimensions, entity contact and some of the other similarities I have mentioned already in this thread do raise questions about all of this.
Science has only a very tentative understanding of the mind and consciousness at this time so what is happening under the effects of DMT and also in these Buddha States is still largely unknown.
I think the more we can understand about these states the more light we can shine upon all of this.
hixidom wrote:
Yes one can have a psychedelic experience without practicing any meditation, that is True.
However I do not believe psychedelics can lead to enlightenment.
If that was the case most of the Amazonian Shamans would have been Buddhas by now, however they are not and in fact many of them practice dark Shamanism used in Attacking others and harming others. Most of the healing Shamans ask for money for their services also and if you refer to my earlier posts in this thread, most of them use Spirit Animals in their healings which is highly dangerous.
There also people like Charles Manson and Gordon Todd Skinner who took copious amounts of psychedelics but who still went down evil paths. I know that those two are rather extreme cases but it highlights the fact that these compounds don't necessarily make one a better or more enlightened person.
Although I believe that psychedelics can allow one to 'perceive' what is in normal day to day awareness unperceivable there are inherent risks and dangers with their use.
All shamans and the western anthropologists that study and take these compounds do so with the knowledge that this isn't a game, this is serious soul stuff that can have serious repercussions manifested in subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways.
Psychedelics in my opinion can show one a sneak peak, a preview of what possibly lies on the other side but I believe they are not without risks.
Here is an analogy. When one practices a Cultivation discipline it is akin to working the body and tempering the mind and will.
Similar to how an athlete develops a powerful and strong body, it takes dedication, time and strong willpower. Yes it's painful and yes it's hard but the results speak for themselves.
However with psychedelics one didn't put in the work. As the saying goes there are no free lunches and what comes up must come down, it's the balancing act of the universe, no loss, no gain. Every drug has this balancing act and psychedelics are no different although the loss manifests in different ways.
I know that DMT seems fascinating and it is but I also feel like there are dangers involved with it's use. I also know people will continue to explore these states with these compounds. I guess I am just highlighting some of the dangers in all of this so that people are aware of all this.
Perhaps they are not the same, you are right however some of the similarities like a sense of entering other dimensions, entity contact and some of the other similarities I have mentioned already in this thread do raise questions about all of this.
Science has only a very tentative understanding of the mind and consciousness at this time so what is happening under the effects of DMT and also in these Buddha States is still largely unknown.
I think the more we can understand about these states the more light we can shine upon all of this.
hixidom wrote:
Yes one can have a psychedelic experience without practicing any meditation, that is True.
However I do not believe psychedelics can lead to enlightenment.
If that was the case most of the Amazonian Shamans would have been Buddhas by now, however they are not and in fact many of them practice dark Shamanism used in Attacking others and harming others. Most of the healing Shamans ask for money for their services also and if you refer to my earlier posts in this thread, most of them use Spirit Animals in their healings which is highly dangerous.
There also people like Charles Manson and Gordon Todd Skinner who took copious amounts of psychedelics but who still went down evil paths. I know that those two are rather extreme cases but it highlights the fact that these compounds don't necessarily make one a better or more enlightened person.
Although I believe that psychedelics can allow one to 'perceive' what is in normal day to day awareness unperceivable there are inherent risks and dangers with their use.
All shamans and the western anthropologists that study and take these compounds do so with the knowledge that this isn't a game, this is serious soul stuff that can have serious repercussions manifested in subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways.
Psychedelics in my opinion can show one a sneak peak, a preview of what possibly lies on the other side but I believe they are not without risks.
Here is an analogy. When one practices a Cultivation discipline it is akin to working the body and tempering the mind and will.
Similar to how an athlete develops a powerful and strong body, it takes dedication, time and strong willpower. Yes it's painful and yes it's hard but the results speak for themselves.
However with psychedelics one didn't put in the work. As the saying goes there are no free lunches and what comes up must come down, it's the balancing act of the universe, no loss, no gain. Every drug has this balancing act and psychedelics are no different although the loss manifests in different ways.
I know that DMT seems fascinating and it is but I also feel like there are dangers involved with it's use. I also know people will continue to explore these states with these compounds. I guess I am just highlighting some of the dangers in all of this so that people are aware of all this.