Outdoor Psilocybe Mushrooms Northeast

[windchime]

Has anyone tried this? I've seen cultivated outdoor beds of Cubensis in the Southeast US and Cyanescens in the PNW but nothing aside from indoor grows in the Northeast US. There is a similar climate during part of the year albeit perhaps not quite as humid but it seems like it could be worth a shot especially with Cyanescens.

My hope is that an outdoor bed of wood chips inoculated with Cyanescen mycelium and kept shaded/moist might be feasible. There has been limited success reported but it would be amazing if the mushrooms somehow managed to acclimate themselves to the area and over time make themselves at home.

Is there something about the PNW that would keep them happy aside from their preferred substrate, fruiting temperature, and relative humidity or could it be as simple as relocating the spores/mycelium into a similar environment and lending a helping hand until established?

 

[Sakkadelic]

sorry i don't have an answer for your question but i wonder about this too whether i can introduce mushroom species like Psilocybe cyanescens or a Gymnopilus to the woods around where i live..
i think if you let the colonization finish inside then make a bed outside with that spawn, it will work almost everywhere maybe they survive and acclimate if the climate is similar
wood lovers definetly has a better shot but if you have cows or horses somewhere near you can feed them cubensis spores and it works
i will definitely try this at some point probably with Gymnopilus since it's supposed to grow in my area but i never found it
i also feel it will be harder than we think since there's a lot of competition with other fungus
and welcome to the nexus :thumb_up:

 

[windchime]

Thank you! That's a good idea choosing one that's already local. I'm not sure if there are any around here but I'll look into it. Hopefully something works out. We'll see!

 

[werver]

I believe it's a good start to check out this thread on shroomery or cross checking with a hardiness zone map. Azurescens seems to be a good shot, anyhow.

 

[concombres]

Look into psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. From a quick search it seems to show geographical distribution in the northeastern U.s. found from mississippi through ohio, new york & new jersey.

Study what the climate is like where this mushroom is found. Compare to your local climate. It seems like as long as climate is not far off you may be able to get it to grow in an area it is not yet listed. I dont know a whole lot about growing mushrooms just yet though so i could be wrong.

 

[○]

Wood lovers should be able to be done outdoors if timed right in the NE [also depends on the area in the NE as there can be microclimates that could favor these if you grew them].

On a sidenote last year I ran across these gymonopilus junonius cluster during late fall. First time ever finding them, will definitely return this year. All about the time of year and habitat. Ate a few of these when they had been dried - definitely psilo, definitely active.

Made a half-crap spore print also.

 

[JP]

Has anyone tried this? I've seen cultivated outdoor beds of Cubensis in the Southeast US and Cyanescens in the PNW but nothing aside from indoor grows in the Northeast US. There is a similar climate during part of the year albeit perhaps not quite as humid but it seems like it could be worth a shot especially with Cyanescens.

My hope is that an outdoor bed of wood chips inoculated with Cyanescen mycelium and kept shaded/moist might be feasible. There has been limited success reported but it would be amazing if the mushrooms somehow managed to acclimate themselves to the area and over time make themselves at home.

Is there something about the PNW that would keep them happy aside from their preferred substrate, fruiting temperature, and relative humidity or could it be as simple as relocating the spores/mycelium into a similar environment and lending a helping hand until established?

What's your USDA zone? I pack azurescens beds with straw and they survive the winter in 5A, I should note that even though I'm in 5A the temps haven't been much below 0 F since I starting growing them. I'm also just south of a huge "scary" lake that keep's the humidity very high through the cold fall.

 

[collembola]

hello,

i used to be a member of shroomery; i saw photos from someone, digging a trench, filling with horse poo mix, seeding with mycelium, covering with woodchip and then growing really big looking cubensis (method from memory)

they will grow under correct parameters BUT i think yield pales in comparison to "indoor-tech", all the bugs and micro organisms outside and less control of environment.

shotgun fruiting chamber yield is ridiculous relatively speaking, and you can go as big as you want, so unless for fun or guerilla growing i don't think worth the effort.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

hello,

i used to be a member of shroomery; i saw photos from someone, digging a trench, filling with horse poo mix, seeding with mycelium, covering with woodchip and then growing really big looking cubensis (method from memory)

they will grow under correct parameters BUT i think yield pales in comparison to "indoor-tech", all the bugs and micro organisms outside and less control of environment.

shotgun fruiting chamber yield is ridiculous relatively speaking, and you can go as big as you want, so unless for fun or guerilla growing i don't think worth the effort.

That won't necessarily be cubensis. There's a plethora of woodlovers which are (or at least can be) high yielding and very potent. It's far easier to grow these outdoors as fruiting chambers will tend to experience problems with mould, for one thing.

Look into psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.

Yessssssss!

 

[Espurrr]

Wood lovers should be able to be done outdoors if timed right in the NE [also depends on the area in the NE as there can be microclimates that could favor these if you grew them].

On a sidenote last year I ran across these gymonopilus junonius cluster during late fall. First time ever finding them, will definitely return this year. All about the time of year and habitat. Ate a few of these when they had been dried - definitely psilo, definitely active.

Made a half-crap spore print also.

from wikipedia

Japanese researchers have found oligoisoprenoids, or neurotoxins in this mushroom

citation

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/003194229385335O?via%3Dihub

 

[collembola]

It's far easier to grow these outdoors as fruiting chambers will tend to experience problems with mould, for one thing.

no,

mold is caused by mold spores and you have more control over the environment indoors (physics), therefore literally people who have problems with mold, means there is mold spores about and not proper santisation.

where do mold spores come from in a clean environment ? (...outside from the environment).

saying that it is harder indoors then outside is completely ridiculous.

 

[Jagube]

mold is caused by mold spores and you have more control over the environment indoors (physics), therefore literally people who have problems with mold, means there is mold spores about and not proper santisation.

where do mold spores come from in a clean environment ? (...outside from the environment).

saying that it is harder indoors then outside is completely ridiculous.

If the presence of mold spores precluded mushroom growth, there would be not a single mushroom in nature. Nature is as dirty as it gets, yet everything in it flourishes when in the right environment.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

It's far easier to grow these outdoors as fruiting chambers will tend to experience problems with mould, for one thing.

no,

mold is caused by mold spores and you have more control over the environment indoors (physics), therefore literally people who have problems with mold, means there is mold spores about and not proper santisation.

where do mold spores come from in a clean environment ? (...outside from the environment).

saying that it is harder indoors then outside is completely ridiculous.

Woodlovers typically require a non-sterile substrate to initiate fruiting. This will get mouldy in an enclosed space, but outdoors various factors prevent this from happening.

 

[JP]

It's far easier to grow these outdoors as fruiting chambers will tend to experience problems with mould, for one thing.

no,

mold is caused by mold spores and you have more control over the environment indoors (physics), therefore literally people who have problems with mold, means there is mold spores about and not proper santisation.

where do mold spores come from in a clean environment ? (...outside from the environment).

saying that it is harder indoors then outside is completely ridiculous.

Good luck getting the temp + humidity right for them to fruit indoors. These are not cubensis we are talking about here.

 

[urtica]

It's far easier to grow these outdoors as fruiting chambers will tend to experience problems with mould, for one thing.

no,

mold is caused by mold spores and you have more control over the environment indoors (physics), therefore literally people who have problems with mold, means there is mold spores about and not proper santisation.

where do mold spores come from in a clean environment ? (...outside from the environment).

check your attitude?

Also when you are growing mushrooms indoors you are creating a warm moist environment that you fill with a sterile substrate, which is prime to be colonized by whatever organism gets there first. If mold spores get there then you will have a contaminated grow.

Outdoor grows are not sterile, they are filled with all sorts of living organisms, so if some mold spores fall on them it is not the 100% perfect environment for those spores to germinate. If you start an outdoor bed with mycelia that is from the outdoors it will aggressively take over the bed and out compete any other organisms.

I have seen so much more contamination in indoor grows than outdoor beds.

 

[collembola]

If the presence of mold spores precluded mushroom growth, there would be not a single mushroom in nature. Nature is as dirty as it gets, yet everything in it flourishes when in the right environment.

nature is NOT "dirty" it is a system, thats why "things flourish" within the system (i.e. a stupid persons perception of "the mushrooms that made it through to fruiting"

when you grow mushrooms inside, you have control of a micro-system i.e. CAN INFLUENCE "yield" etc.....

if mold preculed fungus, then obviously... there wouldn't be mushrooms AT-ALL.

 

[collembola]

check your attitude?

Also when you are growing mushrooms indoors you are creating a warm moist environment that you fill with a sterile substrate, which is prime to be colonized by whatever organism gets there first. If mold spores get there then you will have a contaminated grow.

Outdoor grows are not sterile, they are filled with all sorts of living organisms, so if some mold spores fall on them it is not the 100% perfect environment for those spores to germinate. If you start an outdoor bed with mycelia that is from the outdoors it will aggressively take over the bed and out compete any other organisms.

I have seen so much more contamination in indoor grows than outdoor beds.

yes, you need a "warm, moist environment" for tropical mushrooms ??? there is no point you made here ?

and then you also agreed that "there is a higher propensity of mold spores outside" for contaimination.

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all you need to then do, is put 2+2 together and think "if you have one plate of food and one colony of organims eating it on one table, versus multiple colonies feeding from the a identical plate on another table".

after the organisms consume foodstuff

> weigh the mass................ (not even taking the piss with intened speices of propogation)

P.S. i don't need to check my attitude.

 

[Rick Sanchez]

I’ve seen cubensis mushrooms fruit in midwestern forests during spring and summer

 

[downwardsfromzero]

check your attitude?

Also when you are growing mushrooms indoors you are creating a warm moist environment that you fill with a sterile substrate, which is prime to be colonized by whatever organism gets there first. If mold spores get there then you will have a contaminated grow.

Outdoor grows are not sterile, they are filled with all sorts of living organisms, so if some mold spores fall on them it is not the 100% perfect environment for those spores to germinate. If you start an outdoor bed with mycelia that is from the outdoors it will aggressively take over the bed and out compete any other organisms.

I have seen so much more contamination in indoor grows than outdoor beds.

yes, you need a "warm, moist environment" for tropical mushrooms ??? there is no point you made here ?

and then you also agreed that "there is a higher propensity of mold spores outside" for contaimination.

----------

all you need to then do, is put 2+2 together and think "if you have one plate of food and one colony of organims eating it on one table, versus multiple colonies feeding from the a identical plate on another table".

after the organisms consume foodstuff

> weigh the mass................ (not even taking the piss with intened speices of propogation)

Post a pic of your indoor, sterile grown woodlovers fruiting and we'll all be happy. Stamets' writings tend to suggest that this would be rather difficult, but by all means go ahead. (Defeats the title of the thread somewhat, however )

We all know that cubensis grows well indoors, thanks.

P.S. i don't need to check my attitude.

Just in case you change your mind:

Attitude page

Communication is comprised of not only the explicit but also the implicit messages, which are transmitted through choice of words and general tone of speech.

This ain't the shroomery, pal.

 

[windchime]

Wood lovers should be able to be done outdoors if timed right in the NE [also depends on the area in the NE as there can be microclimates that could favor these if you grew them].

On a sidenote last year I ran across these gymonopilus junonius cluster during late fall. First time ever finding them, will definitely return this year. All about the time of year and habitat. Ate a few of these when they had been dried - definitely psilo, definitely active.

Made a half-crap spore print also.

spore prints are easily enough cleaned up on agar