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Phalaris Brachystachy - possible success
- Thread starter Jorkest
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Good Luck.
These fumarate methods give a product heavily contaminated with fumaric acid. One must do a freebase conversion to ensure they have obtained plant derived alkaloids. SWIM played with these grasses for a little while. The time of harvest def plays a HUGE factor. FASA does work but it must be cleaned up. TLC and MS showed the presence of some indole alkaloids however never anything signifiant. SWIM is interested in some of the oxi-indole compounds present in these grasses.
In SWIM's experience brac (several different types were attempted) is one of the harder grasses to grow for some reason. It tends to die easily and not spread from runners. There was barely enough to do more than analytical work (which is all swim was concerned with anyway).
These fumarate methods give a product heavily contaminated with fumaric acid. One must do a freebase conversion to ensure they have obtained plant derived alkaloids. SWIM played with these grasses for a little while. The time of harvest def plays a HUGE factor. FASA does work but it must be cleaned up. TLC and MS showed the presence of some indole alkaloids however never anything signifiant. SWIM is interested in some of the oxi-indole compounds present in these grasses.
In SWIM's experience brac (several different types were attempted) is one of the harder grasses to grow for some reason. It tends to die easily and not spread from runners. There was barely enough to do more than analytical work (which is all swim was concerned with anyway).
i just figured this out bufoman...i realized why i had such a large amount of crystals(fumarate) and why my freebased yield was so low...i allowed my containers to stay open..and then the IPA evaporated...causing the fumaric acid to crystallize...while there was SOMETHING there..it was much lower than expected...
its too bad i only had 3g to work with...i must get my next batch going!...because the effects that i DID get..were nice..and i would like to create my own flavor of hyperspace through these flexible plants
its too bad i only had 3g to work with...i must get my next batch going!...because the effects that i DID get..were nice..and i would like to create my own flavor of hyperspace through these flexible plants
it could be very correct...it was incredibly easy..im thinking of doing a little acid soak at the beginning..and try putting some zinc dust in there to convert any n-oxides...
im just excited how easy it was...no costly defatting...i just froze....thawed a few times....based...pulled with dlimo...decanted the dlimo and then FASI....then freebase then pull with acetone..voila
the one thing to remember and i think i might update the BLAB as well...that you must keep the top on the dlimo and FASI jar..otherwise..as the IPA evaporates..the fumaric acid can start to crystallize..
but from 3g of material...im excited i got anything from the grass...time to get growing ehh!
im just excited how easy it was...no costly defatting...i just froze....thawed a few times....based...pulled with dlimo...decanted the dlimo and then FASI....then freebase then pull with acetone..voila
the one thing to remember and i think i might update the BLAB as well...that you must keep the top on the dlimo and FASI jar..otherwise..as the IPA evaporates..the fumaric acid can start to crystallize..
but from 3g of material...im excited i got anything from the grass...time to get growing ehh!
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Yea, even with the containers sealed a large amount of fumarate will precipitate out but it should be less than if it was open and free to evap. The co-solvent used may effect the amount. Xylene or other non-polar organics will cause a lot of fumarate to precip. Alcohols or limon may be different but one also has to consider the solubility of the alkaloids. FASA def works with grasses it just requires re-basing and purification. Keep it up, finding a good grass source will likely be the biggest challenge.
D_Juggz
Dr Do Little
Very Exciting! Swim also has plenty of p.brachy seeds. Some are just starting to sprout now...will need to have a bigger patch in light of this new knowledge! Thank you so much Jorkest!
Swim is going to try two separate methods, a soxhlet extraction of dried leaf with IPA, also using fresh leaf and a juicer + a maoi. Swim has read some reports that this works well...
With the soxhlet extraction: (Swim imagines
1.Run through the soxhlet with IPA for 8 hours.
2. Do a defat with vinegar & naptha?
3. Do a freeze percip.
Does that sound about right? How would one go on to purify the yield further to n,n-DMT?
Swim is going to try two separate methods, a soxhlet extraction of dried leaf with IPA, also using fresh leaf and a juicer + a maoi. Swim has read some reports that this works well...
With the soxhlet extraction: (Swim imagines
1.Run through the soxhlet with IPA for 8 hours.
2. Do a defat with vinegar & naptha?
3. Do a freeze percip.
Does that sound about right? How would one go on to purify the yield further to n,n-DMT?
well probably what ill be doing(need to get some grass going as well) is ill do the tek as it stands....freeze thaw freeze...chop...basify(might do a few day vinegar soak for good measure..then basify)...crash with FASI.and so on
THEN once i get some freebased stuff..and its a sufficient quantity..i think i might try my hand at sublimating to purify the dmt
THEN once i get some freebased stuff..and its a sufficient quantity..i think i might try my hand at sublimating to purify the dmt
D_Juggz
Dr Do Little
From what I have read, the following could increase the DMT within the plant.
*Higher Temperatures
*Higher Nitrogen ferts
*Increased shade (perhaps before harvest)
*Alkaloids triple during spring regrowth & seed shedding.
Any other methods that I should be aware of? eg, bufoman do you know what time of day is best for harvest (Daybreak or sunset?)
*Higher Temperatures
*Higher Nitrogen ferts
*Increased shade (perhaps before harvest)
*Alkaloids triple during spring regrowth & seed shedding.
Any other methods that I should be aware of? eg, bufoman do you know what time of day is best for harvest (Daybreak or sunset?)
clipping the grass also increases the alkaloid content...so clip it often after its about 6 inches high..this is a simple way to stress the plant
i just planted a few hundred seeds and are now in an incubator to speed up germination..then they are going into my grow space with some CFL's...then hopefully when it gets warm enough..im gonna find a nice place for them outside...and hopefully by then i will be able to tell if my last years batch grows back after really cold winters
i just planted a few hundred seeds and are now in an incubator to speed up germination..then they are going into my grow space with some CFL's...then hopefully when it gets warm enough..im gonna find a nice place for them outside...and hopefully by then i will be able to tell if my last years batch grows back after really cold winters
There are plenty of articles in the agricultural literature on environmental conditions which increases alkaloid contents. Stress in the form of low water (drought), low light, cutting, and low nutrients tends to increase alkaloids. Season also effects content a lot. I would get time of day does matter but prob not as significantly as the other factors. Look on google scholar or other sites there is surprisingly a large body of literature because many of these grasses have relevance as livestock feed.
The alkaloids are there I have detected them, however it is very variable and will take a lot of patients and carefully documentation for someone to make something out of this. Many have tried... and been unsuccessful that does mean it is not possible.
The alkaloids are there I have detected them, however it is very variable and will take a lot of patients and carefully documentation for someone to make something out of this. Many have tried... and been unsuccessful that does mean it is not possible.
yeah i have read quite a bit about it..and im sure that if you take good notes...you can come up with a very nice guide to growing dmt rich grasses...i was also thinking that it would be cool to extract the grass in many different ways..to see if you could isolate bufotening and 5-meo-dmt and even gramine from the dmt...this way you could figure out which times were best for each alkaloid..then we could have one plant that could produce the works....also im interested in the beta-carbolines..
obviously this is going to take a lot of work...but its totally worth it
obviously this is going to take a lot of work...but its totally worth it
Tannins most likely should bind to gramine and precipitate it.
It is def worth it and will be fun and novel as it is largely unexplored. But it is gonna take a lot of work. One could do an entire thesis on the topic. It is likely that large quantities of grass will be required. While reports of 1 -3% alk content exist I have yet to see anything even remotely approaching this. Trouts Note's on some simple tryptamines has a lot of good info on the grasses as does his Aya book which is free online through erowid. There are many diff strains all with diff alkaloid profiles. Some of these grasses have some really strange indole based compounds as well.
I got the info from this page:Jorkest said:
From the link:
I assume you could just buy tannic acid, mix some in. If you see precipitates forming, then it should at least bind to something. Dmt doesn't seem to cause any reaction, while harmalas does.
