Hey, from various sources i have gained the information which concludes in that P. Brachystachys has the highest potency % of nndmt out of phalaris species, some also suggest that nndmt is its main alkaloid which seems to imply that theres barely anything toxic (garmine) in it. information i couldnt find is ways of extracting nndmt out of this specific strain of phalaris and what part of it should be extracted? please help before all the amount i picked dies completely:X
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Phalaris Brachystachys Info/Extraction
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First off, the active constituents will likely stay active even if it dries, so drying it is no worry.
Second, I'm fairly sure the leaves have the highest concentration of alkaloids.
As it stands, even the small amounts of gramine and hordenine are not worth taking into your body!
So we are still looking for ways to further purify spice extracted from phalaris.
Experiment? Yes. But be careful!
Second, I'm fairly sure the leaves have the highest concentration of alkaloids.
As it stands, even the small amounts of gramine and hordenine are not worth taking into your body!
So we are still looking for ways to further purify spice extracted from phalaris.
Experiment? Yes. But be careful!
swim possess not even the most elementry knowledge in chemistry necessary for understanding each step's or substances importance in any of these tek's available, so my is basically if swim wants to extract dmt out of phalaris, knowing that it conclude in having a "goo" as the end product so described by swim's who practiced these teks using phalaris, and that due to the levels of fat in phalaris which in that aspect is different tham mimosa which is the favorite plant and the main one inteded for use with this teks, could anyone suggest swim a procedure for seperating the most dmt out of phalaris in its useful form?
i have done stb on Brachystachys then bung some naptha in that ,got naptha off and a golden yellow nice smelling sticky goo was left.i do not know what this is because i havent smoked it.i am sorry i cant offer more.i might grow some more this year and try again .
nuclear said:
You're going to need that knowledge to be successful.
Read.
You can extract phalaris with a standard A/B and lots of defats.
Follow it up by salting out the NP and another A/B if you want a cleaner product.
To my knowledge, there is no procedure for separating out grammine, but some say that the heat of an A/B or vaporization destroys it.
lcolivier72
Rising Star
No extraction is needed. It can contain up to 3% dmt. I found this information on another forum. Hope it is useful.
In a later publication, "The Entheogen Review", DeKorne has more information on Phalaris extraction: "The latest scoop is that you don't even have to use chemical extractions anymore - run several handfuls of grass through a wheatgrass juicer (sold in most health food stores) and you'll wind up with a glass or so of incredibly potent liquid. One teaspoon (with MAO inhibition, of course), is a standard dose with strong grass. Only two teaspoons proved very challenging to one of my correspondents - an OD! The juice can be dried and smoked in a bong - two tokes will usually do it."
In a later publication, "The Entheogen Review", DeKorne has more information on Phalaris extraction: "The latest scoop is that you don't even have to use chemical extractions anymore - run several handfuls of grass through a wheatgrass juicer (sold in most health food stores) and you'll wind up with a glass or so of incredibly potent liquid. One teaspoon (with MAO inhibition, of course), is a standard dose with strong grass. Only two teaspoons proved very challenging to one of my correspondents - an OD! The juice can be dried and smoked in a bong - two tokes will usually do it."
Thats a very unsafe recommendation. Phalaris often has toxic alkaloids, do NOT drink whole phalaris brews without being sure they have an appropriate alkaloid profile. Read link in my signature and all links in that thread.
lcolivier72
Rising Star
Phalaris brachystachys contains very litle to no gramine. Not sure about other strains of Phalaris
Thats a tall comment, and one that puts others who follow it at risk, so care to show some mass spectra or better back up your argument?
We have had a member here test some brachystachys with LC-MS and it did have gramine. Phalaris alkaloid content changes depending on many factors, check out the links I mentioned.
We have had a member here test some brachystachys with LC-MS and it did have gramine. Phalaris alkaloid content changes depending on many factors, check out the links I mentioned.
lcolivier72
Rising Star
Use it don't use it. This method has worked for me every time.
The point is not whether it works.
It could even have gramine, and yet still 'work' (psychoactive effects) if there are also other alkaloids such as DMT or other tryptamines and beta carbolines. Maybe you dont feel any negative effects, but maybe you will have negative health effects if you keep using it, or maybe you can keep using it without bad effects if you always harvest from same phalaris location, maybe if you harvest in different time of the year it will be more toxic, etc etc etc.
This is not an attack to you and im glad you share your experience and knowledge, but honestly I think even you yourself should be worried and curious regarding alkaloid content and not just satisfied that 'it works'.. Each one to their own though, but if you spread this knowledge around be sure to include the disclaimer of potential toxic alkaloids to others so that they can decide for themselves if its worth it.
It could even have gramine, and yet still 'work' (psychoactive effects) if there are also other alkaloids such as DMT or other tryptamines and beta carbolines. Maybe you dont feel any negative effects, but maybe you will have negative health effects if you keep using it, or maybe you can keep using it without bad effects if you always harvest from same phalaris location, maybe if you harvest in different time of the year it will be more toxic, etc etc etc.
This is not an attack to you and im glad you share your experience and knowledge, but honestly I think even you yourself should be worried and curious regarding alkaloid content and not just satisfied that 'it works'.. Each one to their own though, but if you spread this knowledge around be sure to include the disclaimer of potential toxic alkaloids to others so that they can decide for themselves if its worth it.
Doodazzle
Rising Star
What I've read, here at the nexus, is that limonene does not pull gramine. As such, it should be a fairly simple matter to obtain phalaris and run one of the eco teks.
Really, this has been my big hope all winter--that the universe is just so organised in such a way that I can walk out my door, scoop up some locally abundant plant matter and run a petrol-free extraction and have dmt thereby.
Really, this has been my big hope all winter--that the universe is just so organised in such a way that I can walk out my door, scoop up some locally abundant plant matter and run a petrol-free extraction and have dmt thereby.
fourthripley
Rising Star
With unprocessed Phalaris brews I would venture the biggest problem is that of ingesting unknown, potentialy large, doses of 5meo DMT. There are not a few reports of 5meo plus MAOI's resulting in toxic and dangerous effects scattered across the net.
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
Yes, but the point was that:avalon11 said:
which was potentially dangerous advice, hence the discussion (some eight years ago, no less!)lcolivier72 said:
There are several active Phalaris threads at the moment. This wasn't one of them.
