pharma. 300 mg dmt and 5g of syrian rue,.

[WeAreOne]

first of all: please don't do it people.
for the few first times, dmt never showed me anything. first aya did completely nothing, then smoking mimosa extracts was just a foggy thing. but after a. confusa extract, sth unblocked in my body. journey after smoking became incredibly real. so there's an idea and need for longer trip. based on my tolerance to dmt, i've decided to take 300mg. that's was a really bad idea. it was constant fight of losing this world, and i couldn't quiet myself to accept this fact and let this happen. i couldn't accept the fact, that everything will go back to normal. i've cried a lot during this, trying to catch sth from this reality and keep it to not lose any contact with.
overall: the biggest nightmare of my live, and definitely my last pharma.
but maybe will smoke spice at some day.

 

[Mindlusion]

based on my tolerance to dmt, i've decided to take 300mg.

:?:

I'm sure your aware now what kind of insane dose that is! im going to suggest now, but after this I am sure you will. That you do some research before dosing. (On the forums, many have made this same mistake.)

Now, don't get me wrong, everyone makes mistakes. Trust me, I've been there too, and through these mistakes we learn, and discover.

It has been documented before, that it is NOT possible to gain any significant tolerance to DMT.

People have done 300mg before, and when they come back to post, are in similar state that you are in.

I wouldn't wish that hell on anyone.

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I do feel for you, reality may be rough now, but give it a positive outlook, worse things could have happened. Time heals all wounds, both physical, AND mental.

In time you will look back on this experience, with a wide range of emotions, and acceptance.

 

[Eliyahu]

first of all: please don't do it people.
for the few first times, dmt never showed me anything. first aya did completely nothing, then smoking mimosa extracts was just a foggy thing. but after a. confusa extract, sth unblocked in my body. journey after smoking became incredibly real. so there's an idea and need for longer trip. based on my tolerance to dmt, i've decided to take 300mg. that's was a really bad idea. it was constant fight of losing this world, and i couldn't quiet myself to accept this fact and let this happen. i couldn't accept the fact, that everything will go back to normal. i've cried a lot during this, trying to catch sth from this reality and keep it to not lose any contact with.
overall: the biggest nightmare of my live, and definitely my last pharma.
but maybe will smoke spice at some day.

Oh MAN! I feel for ya, been there done that...

But listen....I bid you ...don't give up on ayahuasca because of this...
Don't let it discourage you--

I went through the same thing with severely overdosing myself on rue before I finally figured out a nice dose range for myself...

Pharma is not Aya...so I would highly recommend taking a much smaller dose of rue with lots of caapi involved before I gave up on the possibilities of oral DMT...

-At least now you can truly call your self a survivor eh?

 

[universecannon]

yowzerz!

i'm sure you realize this by now, but 300mg of dmt with 5 grams of rue is a RIDICULOUSLY high dose. 5 grams of rue without ANY dmt would be very psychedelic on its own, and way way too much for me as it is. this is why its very very important to read and absorb as much information on this as you can before doing something like this.

"for the few first times, dmt never showed me anything. first aya did completely nothing, then smoking mimosa extracts was just a foggy thing"

no one should need that much rue and dmt to get where they need to go, and if they do they're most likely just dosing it wrong somehow.."Misfires" are very common when getting the hang of pharma, and so its recommended to play around with the timing and dose of the maoi/dmt a lot before just radically upping the dose. And when you do, just do it in steps..don't go from 150mg to 300mg..(some actually only need 30mg!)

Even rue or aya can take many tries to get the dosage/timing right, and even then it can take many trips before you really have a deep experience

Its also common for people not to get anywhere near a breakthrough with smoked dmt for the first few times until they work at perfecting they're smoking device/method/technique. Some may mistake an inefficient technique for having a very high tolerance..

in any case, don't sweat it. mistakes happen, many of us have been there. i know its hard to believe, but you'll be feeling better again very soon. i've had a bunch of rough aya and pharma experiences and it can take a few days to begin feeling back to "normal".. but don't worry, you'll get there my friend

peace and love

 

[Ancient Realms]

i also feel for you. I had 5-6 grams of rue and 200mg of freebase. Altho the experience was extremely unpleasant i gained alot and felt its healing power.

I think cappi is much better because the THH and harman instead of just harmalas and trace amonuts of the others in rue. And i think rue has small amounts of some vasoconstricting poison.

300mg is a massive dose. I think you will start to see in the next few days how it has helped. And everyone has trouble finding a good smoking technique.

I would only use rue for extracting pure harmalas from now on.

 

[universecannon]

i also feel for you. I had 5-6 grams of rue and 200mg of freebase. Altho the experience was extremely unpleasant i gained alot and felt its healing power.

I think cappi is much better because the THH and harman instead of just harmalas and trace amonuts of the others in rue. And i think rue has small amounts of some vasoconstricting poison.

300mg is a massive dose. I think you will start to see in the next few days how it has helped. And everyone has trouble finding a good smoking technique.

I would only use rue for extracting pure harmalas from now on.

Caapi can be just as unpleasant in ridiculously high doses IME. The thing is, it's also so much easier to overdo it with rue because you only need a few grams.

Do you have sources for this "vasoconstricting poisen" in rue?

 

[WeAreOne]

I'm sure your aware now what kind of insane dose that is! i'm going to suggest now, but after this I am sure you will. That you do some research before dosing. (On the forums, many have made this same mistake.)

i've done a lot of research on dosing, but tried 150 mg orally and insufflated, which did nothing. so, there came my decision to double the dose. but still stupid idea anyway, should have done it slowly. lesson learned.

In time you will look back on this experience, with a wide range of emotions, and acceptance.

thank you for your words, i really appreciate it. i'm already starting to look differently on what has happened. dreams this night were very vivid and realistic, and was like another part of journey which made everything much better.

.I bid you ...don't give up on ayahuasca because of this...

i'll never give up on aya or dmt

Pharma is not Aya...so I would highly recommend taking a much smaller dose of rue with lots of caapi involved before I gave up on the possibilities of oral DMT...

i'll definitely try this combination as well. so far, i've tried rue + mimosa, and rue + dmt (orally and smoked which was beautiful as it could be) and that's it.

and if they do they're most likely just dosing it wrong somehow

in fact, i was drinking dmt and mimosa brew 30-40 mins after mao, but this time only 10-15 min. that probably made a huge difference. now i'm going to be very carefull with dosing! good part of this mistake is, that i'm not going to freak out anymore that all the frequencies will stay as they are, crashing my event horizon on this world. peace and love!

I think cappi is much better because the THH and harman instead of just harmalas and trace amonuts of the others in rue. And i think rue has small amounts of some vasoconstricting poison.

i'm going to brew a right ayahuasca very soon (caapi and psychotria) to find out about any similarities or differences.

thank all of you again for all the nice words and support.

 

[The Maxx]

6 grams rue and 235 mg was the most I've done, and that was a dose I won't try and match again, even though it was a good time . . . I've knocked it down to 222-230 with changa top offs.

 

[Eliyahu]

Eliyahu wrote:

Pharma is not Aya...so I would highly recommend taking a much smaller dose of rue with lots of caapi involved before I gave up on the possibilities of oral DMT...

i'll definitely try this combination as well. so far, i've tried rue + mimosa, and rue + dmt (orally and smoked which was beautiful as it could be) and that's it.

Yeah I went the rue/mimosa only route quite a fw times because I just figured it was the same basic chemicals that caapi would be only for much cheaper...

But I found out the hard way that without caapi there is a real deminishment of the teaching, nurturing, visual magic potential