pharmahuasca questions

[Into The Void]

How safe is syrian rue extract and is there anything about it i need to know as far as human consumption and safety wanting to get into pharmahuasca and syrian rue extract seems to be the easiest natural maoi i could find, if anyone has any info that could help me in this journey i would be greatly appreciated

 

[TransistorBass]

I have similar questions when I was thinking about Syrian Rue, I think for the most part and especially if you are NOT on any medication that could kill you with the addition of an MAOI or pregnant, you'll be fine and its well tolerated.

I've since done a Harmala extraction to make Harmala Freebase which can be taken orally either sublingually or swallowed, or Smoked in a glass pipe which I now do. It smokes pretty well in case you need to know, it's nothing in comparison to hitting a glass pipe of DMT. There's a pretty easy No-filter TEK for extracting the Harmalas from Syrian Rue - TEK - Speedy No-Filter Harmalas Tek (draft) I believe extracting the Harmalas leaves behind things that your body doesn't want.

I'm sure someone will be along to give you a more science based explanation.

Happy Journeys.

 

[Into The Void]

I have similar questions when I was thinking about Syrian Rue, I think for the most part and especially if you are NOT on any medication that could kill you with the addition of an MAOI or pregnant, you'll be fine and its well tolerated.

I've since done a Harmala extraction to make Harmala Freebase which can be taken orally either sublingually or swallowed, or Smoked in a glass pipe which I now do. It smokes pretty well in case you need to know, it's nothing in comparison to hitting a glass pipe of DMT. There's a pretty easy No-filter TEK for extracting the Harmalas from Syrian Rue - TEK - Speedy No-Filter Harmalas Tek (draft) I believe extracting the Harmalas leaves behind things that your body doesn't want.

I'm sure someone will be along to give you a more science based explanation.

Happy Journeys.

Thanx for your reply, can I ask have you combined the two syrian rue and dmt for pharmahuasca before if so what was your experience and dosing cuz thats the other thing im unsure about is the dmt dosing for oral use

 

[TransistorBass]

Yeah, sorry, the oral route for Rue/Harmalas & DMT isn't something I've tried yet.

I've made Syrian Rue tea an hour or so before Vaping DMT and I've Smoked/vaped the extracted Harmalas (25-40mg) 10mins before Vaping DMT. Either of these ways extends the duration of the DMT and makes it feel like its coming in waves.

 

[Into The Void]

Yeah, sorry, the oral route for Rue/Harmalas & DMT isn't something I've tried yet.

I've made Syrian Rue tea an hour or so before Vaping DMT and I've Smoked/vaped the extracted Harmalas (25-40mg) 10mins before Vaping DMT. Either of these ways extends the duration of the DMT and makes it feel like its coming in waves.

Gotcha I really want to get as much info on this before I just jump in blind, im a well seasoned and trained psychonaut and am a frequent dmt user but I know just jump head fisrt into these things isn't always the best especially when you are unsure of dosing especially with this being such an intense trip from everything ive read

 

[q21q21]

Hey Into the Void,

I'm the author of that recent tek. It's super easy, especially if you are just looking to get the harmalas out of the syrian rue.
This is the up to date one : Wiki - Super-Easy No-Filter Harmalas Tek

As far as I know syrian rue and the harmalas extracted from them do not require any MAOI diet to make sure you don't get serotonin syndrome. I think I recall in a long ago post a guy talking about eating aged cheese while on rue/pharma with no issues.

In the past I took pharma about 4 or 5 times. 4 were nothing-burgers and the 5th was surprise ego death. Definitely tread lightly

I found this threat: How to make pharmahuasca hit reliably which I'm going to follow in my experiements.

I would highly recommend extracting at least 200g of rue seeds to you have not worries about ~wasting a trip~ on a dwindling supply or harmalas

I have never been a going-deep psychonautic (3g of shrooms and 1 strong hit of acid is plenty for me) so I'm going to dip my toes into pharmahuasca in a very methodical way over the course of several weeks.

While I am actually going to use pure harmine and THH, I'll convert my planned dosage to plain rue-extract for simplicity

1. 35mg harmalas - DONE - mild effects, easy to ignore or forget I took it
2. 75mg harmalas - DONE - still quite mild, a few waves of nondescript headspace change/energy but often forgot I took it for long periods
3. 150mg harmalas
4. 150mg harmalas - 20mg DMT
5. 150mg harmalas - 40mg DMT
6. 150mg harmalas - ?? DMT (decide based on 40mg test)

The 35mg one was more of an allergy/toxicity test than anything and is highly recommended (maybe even a lower dose)

Passed that, feel free to skip any of the steps, but what I would NOT recommend is taking somewhere around 125-150mg DMT with 150mg harmalas for your first successful pharma, that was too much and not pleasant. Sat down on a swingset in a park and then closed my eyes and had a full DMT breakthrough, then realized it was getting stronger. The visuals were so intensely morphing that for about 15 seconds walking home I felt like I was not making any headway. Scared me off pharma for over a decade, but I'm happy to be getting back into it in the coming months.

Hope your pharma experience is a good one!

 

[Into The Void]

Hey Into the Void,

I'm the author of that recent tek. It's super easy, especially if you are just looking to get the harmalas out of the syrian rue.
This is the up to date one : Wiki - Super-Easy No-Filter Harmalas Tek

As far as I know syrian rue and the harmalas extracted from them do not require any MAOI diet to make sure you don't get serotonin syndrome. I think I recall in a long ago post a guy talking about eating aged cheese while on rue/pharma with no issues.

In the past I took pharma about 4 or 5 times. 4 were nothing-burgers and the 5th was surprise ego death. Definitely tread lightly

I found this threat: How to make pharmahuasca hit reliably which I'm going to follow in my experiements.

I would highly recommend extracting at least 200g of rue seeds to you have not worries about ~wasting a trip~ on a dwindling supply or harmalas

I have never been a going-deep psychonautic (3g of shrooms and 1 strong hit of acid is plenty for me) so I'm going to dip my toes into pharmahuasca in a very methodical way over the course of several weeks.

While I am actually going to use pure harmine and THH, I'll convert my planned dosage to plain rue-extract for simplicity

1. 35mg harmalas - DONE - mild effects, easy to ignore or forget I took it
2. 75mg harmalas - DONE - still quite mild, a few waves of nondescript headspace change/energy but often forgot I took it for long periods
3. 150mg harmalas
4. 150mg harmalas - 20mg DMT
5. 150mg harmalas - 40mg DMT
6. 150mg harmalas - ?? DMT (decide based on 40mg test)

The 35mg one was more of an allergy/toxicity test than anything and is highly recommended (maybe even a lower dose)

Passed that, feel free to skip any of the steps, but what I would NOT recommend is taking somewhere around 125-150mg DMT with 150mg harmalas for your first successful pharma, that was too much and not pleasant. Sat down on a swingset in a park and then closed my eyes and had a full DMT breakthrough, then realized it was getting stronger. The visuals were so intensely morphing that for about 15 seconds walking home I felt like I was not making any headway. Scared me off pharma for over a decade, but I'm happy to be getting back into it in the coming months.

Hope your pharma experience is a good one!

Thanx so much all this really helps and trust me I do tend to tread very very lightly with pharm thats why I wanna try and gather as much research on it before I try as I wanna do it right ive got plenty of dmt and can always synth more so thats not really an issue not worried about wasting any but like you had said with your 5th time it took you and was very unexpected I dont want that to happen

 

[blig-blug]

3. 150mg harmalas
4. 150mg harmalas - 20mg DMT
5. 150mg harmalas - 40mg DMT
6. 150mg harmalas - ?? DMT (decide based on 40mg test)

Based on my personal experience and that of a few people around me (of course it may vary), those harmala doses are a bit low, so they will require more DMT to get to the same point as would otherwise be achievable, and will be shorter. I recommend around 200mg harmalas, some people seem to need a bit more (my sweet spot is 230mg) and some people a bit less, but it seems generally a good point of balance between harmala and DMT effects.

In any case, it's not a bad idea to try 150mg first. I just would keep trying increasing doses of harmalas until reaching 200mg before adding DMT. Around 20mg or 30mg is a good point to start with DMT, I think.

Also, something that really helps to get the most out of the experience is to redose DMT once the first dose is coming down (this usually will happen between 1.5-2h after ingestion). The second dose is not only stronger, but feels qualitatively different and deeper, likely because most resistances have already been overcome. I highly recommend it.

Lastly, having your stomach completely empty beforehand (you may eat something together with either the harmalas or the DMT dose) helps it hit reliably.

but like you had said with your 5th time it took you and was very unexpected I dont want that to happen

If you follow a gradual approach like @q21q21 suggests, that won't happen. IMO it's the best approach for pharma, as long as you have the time, space, and access to material for it.